Luka, Gepard, and Svarog upgrade

[Mbpoops]

I kinda want to see other's opinions on this subject.

I believe the 3 characters mentioned above should be upgraded to 3B multi-galaxy+ with immeasurable speed.

reason being, the war dance side story.

in the side story luka defeats argenti in battle who currently scales to 3B with immesurable speeds.. Luka was also able to take Yanqing's "signature move" and go hand to hand for a short period of time with yanqing after getting hit by his signature move though not doing much damage due to being physically exhausted. Yanqing currently scales to 3B with immesurable speeds. I'm not saying Luka is equal to him but would be in the same range just a bit lower.

Svarog is a lot harder to get to these levels because of his statement here saying he cant grow stronger but he was still able to hold his own against luka post argenti fight without being severely damaged. In my opinion this would get him to around the same level again, like i mentioned with yanqing and luka, svarog would be lower than luka but still in the ranges of 3B multi-galaxy+

Gepard: though gepard doesnt do much in the event quest, it is somewhat implied that he is relative to Luka post-wardance from luka coming to "return the victory he lent him" insinuating an off screen battle with an undetermined winner..

Conclusion:

Luka: 3B multi-galaxy+ with immeasurable speed.

Svarog: 3B multi-galaxy+ with immeasurable speed.

Gepard: 3B multi-galaxy+ with immesurable speed.

P.S.:

this is my first post so if there's any feedback you could give me it would be much appreciated. thank you.


Edit:

Castoricethefifth made good points. The new proposition is:

Luka: possibly 4-A multi-solar: defeated base topaz while she was holding back and her ipc soldiers simultaneously

Supersonic possibly higher: able to keep up with svarog in a no holds barred battle.

Immeasurable speed FTL: able to keep up with post-penacony Argenti, Topaz, Svarog, and yanqing while yanqing was holding back tremendously.

Gepard: possibly 4-A multi-solar: relative to Luka post war dance due to the indicated offscreen battle

Supersonic Possibly Higher: able to keep up with and defeat Luka.

Immeasurable speed FTL: relative to Luka due to the indicated offscreen battle.

Svarog:
Supersonic, possibly higher: able to fend off seele, the trailblazer, march 7th, bronya, and dan heng with relative ease until natasha shows up. (seele page)

immeasurable speed FTL: relative to Luka during the war dance

 

[Mbpoops]

bump

 

[Mageman460]

Luka didn't beat Argenti. He impressed him with his "Beauty". Similarly, Luka did literally nothing to Yanqing, and Yanqing was not going for the kill. Luka also gets absolutely dominated in that fight. The implication is after taking Yanqing's "Signature move", Luka's arm goes kaput. And of course, there is Svarog's statement that he can not get stronger and Luka's victory is treated as pretty major.

So yeah, disagree with everything since Gepard and Svarog scaling are based on Luka scaling.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Ok so. Heres the thing. I've brought this up off site and discussed this feat.

Luka DID beat Argneti. This is fine and all if they got stronger. Which Luka DID get stronger. The problem is that its a straight up outlier due to Svarog unable to get stronger due to being an outdated droid. Iphone 11 type shit

Luka didn't do shit to Yanqing. He got no diffed by him. Yanqing didn't even use his swords and purposely cooked him with hand to hand combat.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

As of right now I disagree due to sole fact that Svarog cannot get stronger from the Jarilo IV arc. However, you could attempt to upgrade their LS to class G since Luka clashed with Sushang and her goons in a 1 vs 5 in the same arc. This would also scale back to all Jarilo IV characters + Astral Express in that arc.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Actually, to add onto this. Luka canonically got his ass whooped by Boothill too and was extreme diffing Topaz, who wasn't even using her cornerstone, and was still holding back on Luka despite all that. Base Topaz is like 4-A Multi Solar System. So either they're downscaling 4-A massively or the Jarilo IV characters are still Star level

 

[Mbpoops]

Ok so. Heres the thing. I've brought this up off site and discussed this feat.

Was unaware

Luka DID beat Argneti. This is fine and all if they got stronger. Which Luka DID get stronger. The problem is that its a straight up outlier due to Svarog unable to get stronger due to being an outdated droid. Iphone 11 type shit

Yea that makes sense since svarog verbatim states he cant get stronger so unless argenti gets downscaled (which wouldnt make much sense to me) its just an outlier

Luka didn't do shit to Yanqing. He got no diffed by him. Yanqing didn't even use his swords and purposely cooked him with hand to hand combat.

Luka didnt harm yanqing but he was able to keep up with him he just didnt hurt cause he was tired from the fight but yea i agree

 

[Mbpoops]

Actually, to add onto this. Luka canonically got his ass whooped by Boothill too and was extreme diffing Topaz, who wasn't even using her cornerstone, and was still holding back on Luka despite all that. Base Topaz is like 4-A Multi Solar System. So either they're downscaling 4-A massively or the Jarilo IV characters are still Star level

To be fair he was going through that mental stuff then boothill shot him i might be leaving out a bit of context but they didnt really fight boothill just blew up arm up with a bullet which i guess still adds to your point. The topaz stuff makes sense too yea so really its just argenti thats a big outlier. Kinda wish svarog could get stronger lol. Thanks for the input

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Was unaware

Yea that makes sense since svarog verbatim states he cant get stronger so unless argenti gets downscaled (which wouldnt make much sense to me) its just an outlier

Luka didnt harm yanqing but he was able to keep up with him he just didnt hurt cause he was tired from the fight but yea i agree

Theres really only 2 routes left.
Route 1 is to attempt to downscaling Jarilo IV to 4-A via Luka defeating Base Topaz. The issue is we have zero idea how much she held back on Luka. Unless this results in like a possibly.

Route 2 is to upgrade Jarilo IV to Class G based on Luka clashing with Sushang in a 1 vs 5.

 

[Mbpoops]

Theres really only 2 routes left.
Route 1 is to attempt to downscaling Jarilo IV to 4-A via Luka defeating Base Topaz. The issue is we have zero idea how much she held back on Luka. Unless this results in like a possibly.

Would lean more towards this but wouldnt it be an upgrade? Currently they are 4-C. Could just have it at possibly 4-A due to topaz the only problem is svarog

Route 2 is to upgrade Jarilo IV to Class G based on Luka clashing with Sushang in a 1 vs 5.

I could be mistaken but i believe sushang was just their manager like the TB to Luka ill have to watch the vid again but im pretty sure she didnt fight but please correct me if im wrong

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Would lean more towards this but wouldnt it be an upgrade? Currently they are 4-C. Could just have it at possibly 4-A due to topaz the only problem is svarog

The scaling is from Dan Heng one shotting star eating monsters. They're not really capped at anything. The 3-B scaling is cornerstone level, which is really asinine to scale Jarilo IV to when they didnt get stronger at all,

4-A is a pathstrider feat/scaling.

I could be mistaken but i believe sushang was just their manager like the TB to Luka ill have to watch the vid again but im pretty sure she didnt fight but please correct me if im wrong

Idk

 

[Mbpoops]

The scaling is from Dan Heng one shotting star eating monsters. They're not really capped at anything. The 3-B scaling is cornerstone level, which is really asinine to scale Jarilo IV to when they didnt get stronger at all,

4-A is a pathstrider feat/scaling.


Idk

i can definetly see 4-A or "possibly 4-A" due to not knowing how much topaz was holding since she states "this was nothing but a casual spar"


if not that then i would keep them as is

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i can definetly see 4-A or "possibly 4-A" due to not knowing how much topaz was holding since she states "this was nothing but a casual spar"

Yeah it's either a possibly rating or no rating at all

 

[Mbpoops]

Yeah it's either a possibly rating or no rating at all

thanks for your input though!

 

[Mbpoops]

@CastoriceTheFifth made good points.

leaning towards possibly 4A for Luka and maybe gepard considering we dont know how much she held back as she states "this was nothing but a casual spar".

so either A upgrade to possibly 4A or B dont change at all.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw this affects EVERYONE in the Jarilo IV arc

 

[EddisherSound]

Gonna need to rewatch the Argenti quest first, but I have to ask, did the quest take place before or after the Xianzhou mission?

 

[Mbpoops]

Gonna need to rewatch the Argenti quest first, but I have to ask, did the quest take place before or after the Xianzhou mission?

It takes place after the war dance arc which is post penacony. Argenti shows up as a participant in the war dance

 

[EddisherSound]

It takes place after the war dance arc which is post penacony. Argenti shows up as a participant in the war dance

Argenti's Companion Mission takes place after that? That's the mission I'm asking about, since that's where the 4-A scaling comes from

 

[Mbpoops]

Argenti's Companion Mission takes place after that? That's the mission I'm asking about, since that's where the 4-A scaling comes from

My apologies. The argenti companion mission is pre-penacony, where he destroys the giant sting.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Do we have a conensus yet. Btw update the op to include the new proposal.

 

[EddisherSound]

4-C, possibly 4-A sounds fine to me, though if Argenti's companion mission happened before the Xianzhou mission, we could probably argue for 4-A outright, since the Trio could fight Juvenile Stings

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

4-C, possibly 4-A sounds fine to me, though if Argenti's companion mission happened before the Xianzhou mission, we could probably argue for 4-A outright, since the Trio could fight Juvenile Stings

The only reason why its a possibly rating because Luka stated she held back and Topaz herself stated she held back. We just dont know by how much so even then with the possibly rating, they’d be downscaling from the 4-A value rather than fully too

 

[Voidnether]

I'd lean with a likely more instead of possibly 4-A altogether, their speed should be all Immeasurable than unknown since you know Luka still fought Topaz even if Topaz herself is holding back against Luka and Class G

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'd lean with a likely more instead of possibly 4-A altogether, their speed should be all Immeasurable than unknown since you know Luka still fought Topaz even if Topaz herself is holding back against Luka and Class G

Whats the reasoning for likely if we dont know how much Topaz held back

 

[Voidnether]

Whats the reasoning for likely if we dont know how much Topaz held back

Because it's more favorable that way, this is the same Luka who fought Svarog and Svarog admitted that Luka is beyond what he is during Jarilo-VI so he wouldn't be 4-C + he was able to atleast contend with the rest of the participants in the tournament which is atleast Pathstriders level (4-A)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Because it's more favorable that way, this is the same Luka who fought Svarog and Svarog admitted that Luka is beyond what he is during Jarilo-VI so he wouldn't be 4-C + he was able to atleast contend with the rest of the participants in the tournament which is atleast Pathstriders level (4-A)

Wait WHO are you talking about 4-A? Do we even have a rating for HUOHUO and MR TAILS

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw using other contestants doesn’t work because they’re the same 4-c rating as him. alot we dont even have profiles for. He also got no diffed by 3-B mfs. All we have is Base Topaz who scales to Base Aventurine (the only other pathstrider scaling to 4-A is Base Firefly with a profile)

 

[Voidnether]

Wait WHO are you talking about 4-A? Do we even have a rating for HUOHUO and MR TAILS

If Sushang is 3-B why aren't they 4-A at bare minimum

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If Sushang is 3-B why aren't they 4-A at bare minimum

Brother @PedjaTarzan gutted her ass to 4-C LOL

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I am neutral for now

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I think everyone should scale to 1-B to be honest

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I think everyone should scale to 1-B to be honest

Based

 

[PedjaTarzan]

multiply svarog ap by 7x for making sure 7 people had to go extreme diff against him so there goes your upscale lol
this aside no one genuenly went all out on bro and Luka decides to use casual ficiton anti feat where cosmic lvl character is afraid of bullets
And downscaling to someone who genuenly held back doesnt even have anything solid to make sure luka gets new tier other than “At least 4-C” since the new event made luka stronger
Im neutral but like idc if you upgrade him i had 3 hours of sleep and i got forced into this by @CastoriceTheFifth

 

[Mbpoops]

multiply svarog ap by 7x for making sure 7 people had to go extreme diff against him so there goes your upscale lol

Unless svarog was holding back the entire story (which wouldnt make sense) ur right

this aside no one genuenly went all out on bro

Yea makes sense since no kill rule

and Luka decides to use casual ficiton anti feat where cosmic lvl character is afraid of bullets

Could this really be an anti feat tho cause aventurine, dan heng, and i think someone in the fate event (cant remember it that well) were also scared of his bullets

And downscaling to someone who genuenly held back doesnt even have anything solid to make sure luka gets new tier other than “At least 4-C” since the new event made luka stronger

Wouldnt it be “at least 4-B/A” since he got stronger or am i miss interpreting stuff

Im neutral but like idc if you upgrade him i had 3 hours of sleep and i got forced into this by @CastoriceTheFifth

Get some sleep bro

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Could this really be an anti feat tho cause aventurine, dan heng, and i think someone in the fate event (cant remember it that well) were also scared of his bullets

No this isn't an anti feat for anything at all. No one was scared of Boothill's bullets in the fate story. Hell, the assumption isn't to assume Boothill's bullets/gun is as strong as IRL ones. They're vastly stronger than irl bullets.

 

[Furina003]

in the side story luka defeats argenti in battle who currently scales to 3B with immesurable speeds.. Luka was also able to take Yanqing's "signature move" and go hand to hand for a short period of time with yanqing after getting hit by his signature move though not doing much damage due to being physically exhausted. Yanqing currently scales to 3B with immesurable speeds. I'm not saying Luka is equal to him but would be in the same range just a bit lower.

Svarog is a lot harder to get to these levels because of his statement here saying he cant grow stronger but he was still able to hold his own against luka post argenti fight without being severely damaged. In my opinion this would get him to around the same level again, like i mentioned with yanqing and luka, svarog would be lower than luka but still in the ranges of 3B multi-galaxy+

Gepard: though gepard doesnt do much in the event quest, it is somewhat implied that he is relative to Luka post-wardance from luka coming to "return the victory he lent him" insinuating an off screen battle with an undetermined winner..

Conclusion:

Luka: 3B multi-galaxy+ with immeasurable speed.

Svarog: 3B multi-galaxy+ with immeasurable speed.

Gepard: 3B multi-galaxy+ with immesurable speed.

P.S.:

this is my first post so if there's any feedback you could give me it would be much appreciated. thank you.

Yeah, it seems that the core of your scaling comes from Luka vs Yanqing fight, but to me that looked like a heavily unbalanced battle, so I don’t agree with your scaling used in this CRT for now

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah, it seems that the core of your scaling comes from Luka vs Yanqing fight, but to me that looked like a heavily unbalanced battle, so I don’t agree with your scaling used in this CRT for now

What about the alternative proposal with the whole 4-A shtick

 

[Furina003]

The only reason why its a possibly rating because Luka stated she held back and Topaz herself stated she held back. We just dont know by how much so even then with the possibly rating, they’d be downscaling from the 4-A value rather than fully too

I agree with possibility 4a

And downscaling to someone who genuenly held back doesnt even have anything solid to make sure luka gets new tier other than “At least 4-C” since the new event made luka stronger

but, Luka was able to keep up with a holding back Topaz, and placing him in Tier 4-C has plausible justification, as explained by @PedjaTarzan . That seems fairly consistent to me

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

At least Star level, possibly Multi Solar System level (Fought and defeated Base Topaz, although the latter was holding back)

something like that idk.