[Losers R4M1] Vene's Country Class Tourney: Dr. Hecate vs Toby

[VeneficaAuthor]

Original Tourney Thread
Tourney Bracket
Votes

Character	Key	Votes
Dr. Hecate​	Ultimate Slimy Mk. 1, "Mother Mode" active	0
Toby​	Base	0
Inconclusive		0

Welcome to the loser's bracket! Here, whoever loses is officially OUT. Good luck.

Rules

• 100 meters starting distance with equal speed.
• Speed Equalized
• Fight takes place in an endlessly expansive and empty/ruined city

Dr. Hecate is at 6-B.
Toby is at High 6-B.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

What does toby start with

 

[Froggytron]

I think assume will start off similarly to how he did with Gunnix, trying to twist Hetace like a pretzel with Telekinesis the very first moment. But unlike Gunnix (having no exact LS value), Hetace is stated to be similar to Tatsumaki (having a '1.38997511e19 Newtons / 1.41738016e18 kgf (Class E)' value listed), making it likely Toby's TK is not 55x times greater, but somewhere lower.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

I think assume will start off similarly to how he did with Gunnix, trying to twist Hetace like a pretzel with Telekinesis the very first moment. But unlike Gunnix (having no exact LS value), Hetace is stated to be similar to Tatsumaki (having a '1.38997511e19 Newtons / 1.41738016e18 kgf (Class E)' value listed), making it likely Toby's TK is not 55x times greater, but somewhere lower.

You are correct about Toby's starting move, however, Tatsumaki's feat is 1.42 Metric Petatons vs Toby's 55 Metric Petatons, so Toby still has a massive LS advantage. What can Hecate do about the twist?

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

You are correct about Toby's starting move, however, Tatsumaki's feat is 1.42 Metric Petatons vs Toby's 55 Metric Petatons, so Toby still has a massive LS advantage. What can Hecate do about the twist?

Hecate is already TK resistant since multiple times it's shown that psychic holds and the like just don't affect the Mk. 1 at all, but they kind of can if they are strong enough like in Toby's case. That resistance on its own should be at least a bit helpful since she negs TK holds from Selene, who is the Esper that scales to Tornado in this case. But Hecate also has varying ways to help more. For one, Gravitation Manipulation is a technique where Hecate can gravitate specific objects in multiple ways within 200 meters of her mech's central area, so she shouldn't be able to gravitate a bunch of her mech to act as a counterforce to the twist. Secondly, if she were twisted, it would have to be a REALLy good twist because the Starry Slimy System is a pretty good method of High-Mid regen and if allowed to recover, her mech would be enforced to the point where the twist wouldn't work in the same manner that Selene's wouldn't work.

But these things don't actually matter at all because Motherly Battlecry just outright destroys telekinetic holds and Esper-like abilities even if they are far stronger than ones like Selene. So she basically has a resistance, a gravity power of her own to counter, and a way to just negate stronger Esper abilities influencing her Mech with her battlecry, so it's likely that the TK will have little to no effect overall

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Hecate is already TK resistant since multiple times it's shown that psychic holds and the like just don't affect the Mk. 1 at all, but they kind of can if they are strong enough like in Toby's case. That resistance on its own should be at least a bit helpful since she negs TK holds from Selene, who is the Esper that scales to Tornado in this case. But Hecate also has varying ways to help more. For one, Gravitation Manipulation is a technique where Hecate can gravitate specific objects in multiple ways within 200 meters of her mech's central area, so she shouldn't be able to gravitate a bunch of her mech to act as a counterforce to the twist. Secondly, if she were twisted, it would have to be a REALLy good twist because the Starry Slimy System is a pretty good method of High-Mid regen and if allowed to recover, her mech would be enforced to the point where the twist wouldn't work in the same manner that Selene's wouldn't work.

But these things don't actually matter at all because Motherly Battlecry just outright destroys telekinetic holds and Esper-like abilities even if they are far stronger than ones like Selene. So she basically has a resistance, a gravity power of her own to counter, and a way to just negate stronger Esper abilities influencing her Mech with her battlecry, so it's likely that the TK will have little to no effect overall

Bruh is there anything Toby can do that Hecate doesn't resist?

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Bruh is there anything Toby can do that Hecate doesn't resist?

Well tk could destroy individual tentacles with relative ease, although they are also equipped with guns able to use small versions of the battlecry so those would stop that (unless he pulls it off fast enough, but because of the Starry Slimy System really all it's good for is slowing down her maneuvers by temporarily stopping them outright, and destroying the tentacles would greatly reinforce them the next time)

How good is attack reflection? Also power mimicry is resisted to a very high degree by Hecate, but how good is it for Toby? I can see attack reflection being a large problem if he can get around her blasts and rockets auto-dodge tech which his very strong tk should be able to do through sheer power considering they don't have the same stuff as her battlecry and her blasts obviously don't resist stuff. Auto-dodge tech will just make reflected stuff a bit harder to control

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Well tk could destroy individual tentacles with relative ease, although they are also equipped with guns able to use small versions of the battlecry so those would stop that (unless he pulls it off fast enough, but because of the Starry Slimy System really all it's good for is slowing down her maneuvers by temporarily stopping them outright, and destroying the tentacles would greatly reinforce them the next time)

How good is attack reflection? Also power mimicry is resisted to a very high degree by Hecate, but how good is it for Toby? I can see attack reflection being a large problem if he can get around her blasts and rockets auto-dodge tech which his very strong tk should be able to do through sheer power considering they don't have the same stuff as her battlecry and her blasts obviously don't resist stuff. Auto-dodge tech will just make reflected stuff a bit harder to control

For attack reflection, Toby just has to hold out his hand and any attack in front of him is reflected. But just one question, could Toby just target Hecate inside the mech instead of the mech and just twist her? If not, then I'm pretty sure this is a stomp since Toby can only defend with attack reflection, which I'm willing to bet Hecate has countermeasures for.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

For attack reflection, Toby just has to hold out his hand and any attack in front of him is reflected. But just one question, could Toby just target Hecate inside the mech instead of the mech and just twist her? If not, then I'm pretty sure this is a stomp since Toby can only defend with attack reflection, which I'm willing to bet Hecate has countermeasures for.

Well she is DNA fused with her mechs which means that stats, regen, and resistances apply to her as well at all times while she is inside. She is essentially the very heart (and brain) of the mech itself, which means attempting to do that would be stifled by the same methods as attacking the outer mech

• DNA Fusion: One of the key aspects of not only the first mech but for all of her 'chief' inventions going forward which she uses for battling. Hecate is capable of 'fusing' her DNA into that of her mechs, greatly raising its processing powers to match her own as soon as she enters into it and essentially making herself 'one and the same' with her mech, meaning that whatever happens to the mech happens to her and vice versa. This also prevents her from being forcefully warped out of her mech without it first having its exterior pretty much completely destroyed and provides Hecate equal regeneration and durability as her mechs have. She essentially becomes her mech and it becomes her, making for a grand symbiosis.

Auto-dodge tech is programmed to make her own attacks not hit her even if the attack is reflected, but can't he control them with his TK which is a few dozen times stronger than Hecate's LS? If it reflects anything, that sounds pretty decent when combied with the TK essentially forcing the reflected stuff to hit anyway although Hecate is easily smart enough to form strats based on that, but at this point she hasn't encountered someone able to override her auto-dodge stuff so maybe he can catch her off guard

 

[Froggytron]

Well she is DNA fused with her mechs which means that stats, regen, and resistances apply to her as well at all times while she is inside. She is essentially the very heart (and brain) of the mech itself, which means attempting to do that would be stifled by the same methods as attacking the outer mech

• DNA Fusion: One of the key aspects of not only the first mech but for all of her 'chief' inventions going forward which she uses for battling. Hecate is capable of 'fusing' her DNA into that of her mechs, greatly raising its processing powers to match her own as soon as she enters into it and essentially making herself 'one and the same' with her mech, meaning that whatever happens to the mech happens to her and vice versa. This also prevents her from being forcefully warped out of her mech without it first having its exterior pretty much completely destroyed and provides Hecate equal regeneration and durability as her mechs have. She essentially becomes her mech and it becomes her, making for a grand symbiosis.

Auto-dodge tech is programmed to make her own attacks not hit her even if the attack is reflected, but can't he control them with his TK which is a few dozen times stronger than Hecate's LS? If it reflects anything, that sounds pretty decent when combied with the TK essentially forcing the reflected stuff to hit anyway although Hecate is easily smart enough to form strats based on that, but at this point she hasn't encountered someone able to override her auto-dodge stuff so maybe he can catch her off guard

This seems like a very low-diff though, possibly a stomp. Even if now and then something hits her, it's far from a one-shot (unless she starts with her giant lasers), and essentially each of her own hits repaired makes her entire mech way more resistant due to 'Starry Slimy System', don't see this as a complete wincoin. Besides 'Starry Galactic Cannons' being used very soon it will go downhill for Toby from the very start.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Well that's unfortunate but I guess it is a stomp, that sucks

 

[Froggytron]

Well that's unfortunate but I guess it is a stomp, that sucks

It may still be very low-diff, I would wait for Leo's responce

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Pretty sure this is a stomp.