Lord of Conflict vs Goddess of Earth (Joshua van Radcliffe vs Kiana Kaslana)

[Rakih_Elyan]

Joshua van Radcliffe, the two-sided King of Miracle and the Lord of Conflict.

VS

Kiana Kaslana the Goddess of Earth and the Bearer of the Cocoon of Finality.

Joshua is at Torrent key with 1-A+ stats, and Kiana is at her Cocoon of Finality key.

The rest are SBA.

Vote Tally:

Josh:

Tuna:

Steve (Inconclusive):

 

[Success0906]

Lemme see where this goes first.

 

[Vietthai96]

Damn this is fast

Kiana always win in my heart, this is non-negotiable, you can't say otherwise

Anyway how high into 1-A Joshua is?, Kiana is absolute infinity high into 1-A, which is equipvalent to Low 1-A compare to 1D

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Damn this is fast

Kiana always win in my heart, this is non-negotiable, you can't say otherwise

Anyway how high into 1-A Joshua is?, Kiana is absolute infinity high into 1-A, which is equipvalent to Low 1-A compare to 1D

Lowball is uncountable infinity, while highball is just below true infinity.

 

[Vietthai96]

Lowball is uncountable infinity, while highball is just below true infinity.

So lowball is High 1-B+ equipvalent

Highball, eh... what is true infinity?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

So lowball is High 1-B+ equipvalent

Highball, eh... what is true infinity?

Basically, no matter how many infinity you add and multiply, you will never reach the True Infinity.

Torrents are beings that have surpassed the limit of finite and infinite, but they are still on the doorstep of True Infinity itself.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So lowball is High 1-B+ equipvalent

Highball, eh... what is true infinity?

You can ignore the True Infinity thing, it only applies to Joshua's next key. Right now, Joshua's 1-A+ is arbitrarily high into 1-A +1

 

[Vietthai96]

So it is still < absolute infinite level into 1-A. Since absolute infinity is pretty much unreachable, beyond it mean you are High 1-A

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

So it is still < absolute infinite level into 1-A. Since absolute infinity is pretty much unreachable, beyond it mean you are High 1-A

1-A+ +1, mean any degree of 1-A+. Since Incomplete Torrent are always on the verge of High 1-A.

 

[Apotheosis69]

So wait? How many layers into 1-A is Joshua? Cause Kiana is Absolute Infinity... above Baseline 1-A

You say his highest ball is Just below "True Infinity"? Cus if so, Absolute Infinity is pretty much True Infinity, lets be real. And IF THAT is true, then this is an absolute stomp for Kiana.

 

[Vietthai96]

1-A+ +1, mean any degree of 1-A+. Since Incomplete Torrent are always on the verge of High 1-A.

Then that is just the same as absolute infinity no matter how we phase it. 1-A+ mean at least countable infinite into 1-A, absolute infinity is completely beyond countable infinite, which also borderline High 1-A

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

So wait? How many layers into 1-A is Joshua? Cause Kiana is Absolute Infinity... above Baseline 1-A

You say his highest ball is Just below "True Infinity"? Cus if so, Absolute Infinity is pretty much True Infinity, lets be real. And IF THAT is true, then this is an absolute stomp for Kiana.

True Infinity is High 1-A in verse. It refers to the theological description (I think?) about god.

Then that is just the same as absolute infinity no matter how we phase it. 1-A+ mean at least countable infinite into 1-A, absolute infinity is completely beyond countable infinite, which also borderline High 1-A

So haxs?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If they're both at the highest point of 1-A+ then we can just do the match as normal then.

 

[Vietthai96]

About haxes......ehhhhhh, Kiana with Coocon of Finality is, idk what she going to start with, likely a Honkai and Imaginary energy blast which of course contain the special effects or haxes in the blast. Still i see Joshua have NEP2 All Aspects and Nondual 3 via Force, pretty sure Kiana can't interact with those state of being

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

About haxes......ehhhhhh, Kiana with Coocon of Finality is, idk what she going to start with, likely a Honkai and Imaginary energy blast which of course contain the special effects or haxes in the blast. Still i see Joshua have NEP2 All Aspects and Nondual 3 via Force, pretty sure Kiana can't interact with those state of being

Joshua doesn't have [Absolute] force lol. Which grant you NEP and ND. It is only his True Torrent key that he have that.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If it's any help, the first thing Joshua is going to try to do is punch her. He's a very simple person.

 

[Vietthai96]

Joshua doesn't have [Absolute] force lol. Which grant you NEP and ND. It is only his True Torrent key that he have that.

Well, the link in Path lead me to Force, right at the part where it have NEP2 and ND3 lol

If it's any help, the first thing Joshua is going to try to do is punch her. He's a very simple person.

That is brutal, he should appreciate girl bruhh

Anyway her first move is like what i said, actually, that is the only move she ever performed by the time she absorbed Authority of Finality and take the Cocoon, like, other than her energy blast she perform with her finger, she is practically featless after that

 

[Success0906]

Wait, let me read both of their profiles completely first. I think it's an even match as long as hax don't come in play.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Anyway her first move is like what i said, actually, that is the only move she ever performed by the time she absorbed Authority of Finality and take the Cocoon, like, other than her energy blast she perform with her finger, she is practically featless after that

Joshua wouldn't use majority of his haxs fighting her lol then, he would use sheer martial power and even grant her [Miracle] (See his Wise One tabber to infer what Miracle haxs can do) to even the battlefield. How strong Kiana skill and will?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Sorry, but which is his "Torrent Key"? Cus you're implying we're not using his "True Torrent" key

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Sorry, but which is his "Torrent Key"? Cus you're implying we're not using his "True Torrent" key

Wise one of the Miracles is an Incomplete Torrent.

Also light theme.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Sorry, but which is his "Torrent Key"? Cus you're implying we're not using his "True Torrent" key

Wise One of Miracles, different Multiverses have different names for it.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Ahh okay, also Sorry Not Sorry for light mode. VSBW Dark Mode is Buuuuuuuuuuuutt

 

[Vietthai96]

Joshua wouldn't use majority of his haxs fighting her lol then, he would use sheer martial power and even grant her [Miracle] (See his Wise One tabber to infer what Miracle haxs can do) to even the battlefield.

Is he Goku's relative?? Lol

How strong Kiana skill and will?

Her will is fine, she was able to endure Honkai corruption for a very long time and isn't easily get brought down even if overwhelmed. But her skills i don't think she hold up to Joshua's even in his first key, from what i can see in his profile, tbf personally i don't think the entire cast of HI3rd skill can hold up to Joshua

 

[Apotheosis69]

It shows in Aspect of Eternity. Acausality (Type 5). Can Kiana do anything against that?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

It shows in Aspect of Eternity. Acausality (Type 5). Can Kiana do anything against that?

Its only physical change iirc, so metaphysics, spiritual and things like that are still vulnerable.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Is he Goku's relative?? Lol

He is Goku with sword.

Her will is fine, she was able to endure Honkai corruption for a very long time and isn't easily get brought down even if overwhelmed. But her skills i don't think she hold up to Joshua's even in his first key, from what i can see in his profile, tbf personally i don't think the entire cast of HI3rd skill can hold up to Joshua

Does there other wincon for Kiana.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Anyway, what Rakih said. He won't overwhelm her with Hax, he only uses them if he needs to. If he can just punch her, that's what he's going to do.

From what I can see, Honkai has quite a few effects;

• Information Manipulation (Type 2), Higher-Dimensional Manipulation & Chaos Manipulation
  • The Higher Dimensional stuff is pointless for obvious reasons. As for the rest, it seems based in entropy, which Torrents specifically can reverse and even create negentropy against.
• Corruption (Types 1 & 2)
  • Considering how abstract Torrents are, I can't see this having much of an effect.
• Biological Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation & Disease Manipulation
  • Same as above.
• Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1)
  • Joshua is insanely resistant soul soul-wise and mentally. From what I can tell the Information and Conceptual Manipulation are tied, but Joshua's [Miracle] which is also himself, eats away at preexisting concepts and substitutes them with itself.
• Madness Manipulation (Types 1 & 2)
  • Again, resistant.
• Corrosion Inducement
  • Acausality Type 5 directly counters this.

As for everything else like the Perception Manip, Energy Manip, Necromancy, Life Manip, Memory Manip, Pain Manip and Age Manipulation, he can just straight up resist them.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Unless she has some layered resistance negation, the only way I see her hurting him is through some hax, he magically doesn't resist, which is not a very long list.

 

[Apotheosis69]

No Transduality (Type 3) for these characters... Omni-Man: "Pathetic"

Its seeming like an Inconclusive match. Does Joshua have any Layered Hax/Resistances?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Unless she has some layered resistance negation, the only way I see her hurting him is through some hax, he magically doesn't resist, which is not a very long list.

A reminder that she can use [Miracle], tho it would depend on Kiana's will to surpass Joshua's will.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Okay, so looking over all her resistances. I noticed, that she doesn't have resistance to Probability Manipulation, which is one of the most passive effects of [Miracle] that can work on beings beyond time, space, etc.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Without that resistance, it's essentially going to narrow things down so that he just straight-up wins perfectly in the greatest way. (Unless she has more determination than him, but from what Vietthai told me, her willpower doesn't seem to be on that level)

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

So it would be stomp in Josh favor?

 

[BoastJr]

Bronya soloes

Still a Shallow Vernal victim icl

 

[Shiroiyo]

How many layers does Joshua have? Kiana in her CoF key has 6 for the stuff in the Honkai energy page.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

How many layers does Joshua have? Kiana in her CoF key has 6 for the stuff in the Honkai energy page.

I never truly thought of his layers, but at least 9 layers to infinite for his Miracle due to his willpower being the greatest in the Multiverse.

 

[Phoenks]

Absolute Infinity layers completely washes Joshua.

Without explicit mention of how far it goes, "arbitrarily many layers" or "infinity ad infinitum layers" of 1-A is not going to be an equivalent to Absolute Infinity whatsoever lol.

The most you could assume with that would be uncountable. Which I don't think I need to explain at this point is closer to 0 than it is to even reaching an Inaccessible cardinal amount. Which itself is closer to zero than the next big cardinal, and the next, next, etc... which all are nothing to absolute infinity.

Even the "true infinity" idea just lacks definition and thus wouldn't really mean anything.

So I don't see why we'd assume these two to be on an equivalent layer at all.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Absolute Infinity layers completely washes Joshua.

Without explicit mention of how far it goes, "arbitrarily many layers" or "infinity ad infinitum layers" of 1-A is not going to be an equivalent to Absolute Infinity whatsoever lol.

The most you could assume with that would be uncountable. Which I don't think I need to explain at this point is closer to 0 than it is to even reaching an Inaccessible cardinal amount. Which itself is closer to zero than the next big cardinal, and the next, next, etc... which all are nothing to absolute infinity.

Even the "true infinity" idea just lacks definition and thus wouldn't really mean anything.

So I don't see why we'd assume these two to be on an equivalent layer at all.

Phoenks, did you actually read the entire thread and Joshua profile lol.

True infinity is High 1-A in YTSY.

 

[Phoenks]

Phoenks, did you actually read the entire thread and Joshua profile lol.

True infinity is High 1-A in YTSY.

That is not even relevant to this thread then lol. Since we are at 1-A here.