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Light fix to Demon Slayer calcs

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Yet, the current profiles have them as equals. Perhaps more experienced people with the verse can confirm this stance better then me, but if it is a quick fight I can take a look in the anime since it is in Netflix, as long as people can wait a few hours since I have to go to an event.
Seems you’re right, that should be fixed considering Tanjiro was able to pretty badly outspeed him at several points. Since the calc they are scaling off is a much weaker version of Tanjiro this can probably by fixed by adding a “likely higher” to Tanjiro’s first key and clarifying the wording on the Swamp Demon’s profile.

Same as above since there is a key for the character who scales to Inosuke
Not in same key as the one where the feat was performed. Un-nerfed Doma blitzed Inosuke repeatedly, it wasn’t until after the poison kicked in that they were relative.
 
Seems you’re right, that should be fixed considering Tanjiro was able to pretty badly outspeed him at several points. Since the calc they are scaling off is a much weaker version of Tanjiro this can probably by fixed by adding a “likely higher” to Tanjiro’s first key and clarifying the wording on the Swamp Demon’s profile.
What about the episode number so that I can verify said speed difference myself?
 
Oki, but there is still other issue with the second calc that I think would still axe it
 
There is also this, which might also axe the calculation
I guess? Although my impression was that this was supposed to guard against dramatization of relative characters doing last minute dodges.

But the point in the Doma vs Kanao + Inosuke fight is that they very much are not relative and Doma can pull off last second dodges just for the sake of showing his vast superiority over them.
 
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I've watched the fight of Tanjiro vs that demon, and from the things presented it is very clear Tanjiro is not, in any way, shape or form, that much faster then the demon
 
Ok, geezus
Thank you very much for your input, I appreciate it.

If you’d like to take a look, I’ve mentioned other issues related to the calculations.


I’ll try to briefly summarize what I questioned

calculation no. 1
Given the circumstances, the calculation adds together the speed of a punch (20.12 m/s) and the movement speed (12.22 m/s) of the demon attacking Tanjiro, resulting in his feat being about 10 times faster than the attack (291 m/s).
In the blog there are weak justifications. As I explain, Tanjiro defines the demon’s movements as fast (considered as 12.22 in the calculation), and the two fight for 3 chapters and are considered equals in the demon’s profile. With the speed from the calculation, Tanjiro could have killed the demon on multiple occasions.
The anime (canon according to the wiki), in addition to showing a situation of parity, depicts the scene used for the calculation as an anticipatory dodge.

From a calculation standpoint, the problem is that the speed used for the strike is that of a generic punch, not that of a strike in combat, while the arm movement is actually an arc, making the speed of a hook (14 m/s) more reasonable. Adding movement speed does not seem sensible, since in the various panels the distance between the demon and Tanjiro is unchanged; the only thing moving toward him in those panels is the arm. The speeds can only be added when the direction is the same, and that is not the case.


Calculation no. 2
The time frame used for the sword’s speed was not performed by the swordsman but by the projectile that was intercepted. Not knowing the dynamics, distances, etc., we cannot know the speed of the slash, especially considering that it is not even mentioned in the text. Douma dodges by moving backward; looking at this, in order to escape he only needed to move a few centimeters to reach a position where the distance between him and the katana was greater, which would not require the speed obtained in the calculation.


Calculation no. 3
The calculation assumes an omnidirectional explosion, while in the panel the explosion is shown moving toward the character and is contradicted by the panel itself. The distance at which they are positioned would barely allow Yoriichi to extend his katana to reach Muzan, let alone cut something moving behind him, and in any case no fragments are seen moving backward. The body does not explode instantaneously but gradually; considering that this occurs at the speed of sound, gradually reaching multiple objects at this speed with very little distance between them makes the feat achievable with a speed far lower than the one calculated.


Calculation no. 4
I think this one is fairly clear. The proportions were not maintained by the OP in the calculation. The distance of the lightning cannot be determined, since it could be higher up, and it is shown that Tanjiro moves before the lightning appears on screen.
 
Tanjiro isn’t on screen and you can’t know when he started moving; you only know when he arrived, but the movement could have started even before the attack.


The same applies here: you only see Tanjiro dodging, but not when the blow starts and not when he starts moving. The distance he has to cover to dodge the hand is shorter than the distance the arm has to travel. The upper part of the panel is the one used for the calculation being discussed. In any case, this does not prove the gap mentioned by the calculation. The drop of sweat on his face indicates that the feat was accomplished with effort, whereas the calculation would suggest minimal.


This is the panel used for the calculation. Basically, to prove that the calculation is valid, you use the calculation itself as evidence… seems fair.
(Edit) Looking at the panels, Tanjiro was already retreating while the attack was advancing. The arm couldn’t be going toward his eyes, since it’s aimed at the nape. Even in the following panel, the arm that would have hit him should be the right one,The left one would never have hit him. From almost not dodging it to completely outspeeding it. It definitely seems like an anomaly; I think the standard cited by Drite should be applied



Too bad that immediately afterward the demon dodges his attacks


Almost all the panels have the same problem… Tanjiro grabs the civilian to move backward; he is the first one to move. The hand appears randomly afterward, but we don’t know when the demon actually started moving. The distance covered by Tanjiro isn’t even double that covered by the arm. Following the panel’s perspective, the point of the jump is much farther than the arm.


Tanjiro says he didn’t kill them because he changed the type of cut or simply changed the direction of the sword, when, as already said several times, with the huge speed gap that the calculation claims between his strikes and the demon’s (14 times faster), he could have hit them repeatedly with multiple actions without any problem. The context itself and the statements deny any gap between the two.


This is false,he himself mentions a Kata that can be used in a situation like that. Thanks to the rotation, whatever is nearby gets pulled in and cut.
 
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Tanjiro isn’t on screen and you can’t know when he started moving; you only know when he arrived, but the movement could have started even before the attack.
Huh? The entire point is they come out of nowhere? Why on earth would this not be a blatant reactive dodge?

The same applies here: you only see Tanjiro dodging, but not when the blow starts and not when he starts moving. The distance he has to cover to dodge the hand is shorter than the distance the arm has to travel. The upper part of the panel is the one used for the calculation being discussed. In any case, this does not prove the gap mentioned by the calculation. The drop of sweat on his face indicates that the feat was accomplished with effort, whereas the calculation would suggest minimal
The whole point is that he doesn’t know where they are coming from. He ain’t got precognition at this point. Trying to say this is somehow a pre-moving dodge instead of a reactive dodge at the last second as the panel is clearly implying is quite the stretch.

And of course he is struggling to dodge attacks from all directions at the last second. That is the entire basis of the feat. The only reason he is succeeding at all is because he is faster despite being at such a disadvantage.

This is the panel used for the calculation. Basically, to prove that the calculation is valid, you use the calculation itself as evidence… seems fair.
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I’m showing consistency of Tanjiro being faster than the Swamp Demon. Obviously the panel is included in that, that is the entire point.

Too bad that immediately afterward the demon dodges his attacks
Are we still going to ignore the explicit reason that is made possible?

Almost all the panels have the same problem… Tanjiro grabs the civilian to move backward; he is the first one to move. The hand appears randomly afterward, but we don’t know when the demon actually started moving. The distance covered by Tanjiro isn’t even double that covered by the arm. Following the panel’s perspective, the point of the jump is much farther than the arm.
No, he grabs the civilian and then he moves backwards when the demon attacks.

Once again you are needing to making assumptions that every sign of reactive dodges isn't what it appears to be.

Also I call BS on that distance. Even without accounting for the extra movement from bending his knee (or for the fact that he doesn't need to dodge any further than that to get away), you obviously can fix an extra arm in between them. It is definitely more than double.

Tanjiro says he didn’t kill them because he changed the type of cut or simply changed the direction of the sword, when, as already said several times, with the huge speed gap that the calculation claims between his strikes and the demon’s (14 times faster), he could have hit them repeatedly with multiple actions without any problem. The context itself and the statements deny any gap between the two.
So taken by surprise at point blank range with needing to defend against his opponents’ pre-prepared attacks from 3 different directions, and yet the only reason despite this massive disadvantage that he doesn’t decapitate all 3 with his own counter-attack is because he he switched forms mid-swing.

How are you possibly interpreting this as them lacking any gap in speed between them???

And for the record it is a 9x gap, not 14x, which is entirely consistent with what we are shown.

This is false, he himself mentions a Kata that can be used in a situation like that. Thanks to the rotation, whatever is nearby gets pulled in and cut.
How does that contradict what I said?

Despite struggling to breathe, his counter attack is still able to go off and suck in and decapitate both demons at once before they can avoid him despite them being far more agile in their own pocket dimension.
 
Are we still going to ignore the explicit reason that is made possible?
He says that he can’t follow him that far because he can’t move away, not that, despite the speed gap, he’s somehow able to keep up with him. The anime shows him dodging the slashes while staying in the same position without retreating. If this were to be connected to his striking speed, then Tanjiro would be contradicting the calc.

No, he grabs the civilian and then he moves backwards when the demon attacks.

Once again you are needing to making assumptions that every sign of reactive dodges isn't what it appears to be.
I’m actually just saying that there can be other dynamics that are more consistent, or at least equally consistent. You say he dodges at point-blank range when we don’t see when either of their movements begins, or when we only see one of them. Moreover, Tanjiro is dragging the civilian; I think pulling him up and staying close to that hole is slightly stupid. Doubling the distance does not demonstrate a 14× gap.
The rest has either already been clarified or you didn’t address it directly, and I’m trying not to clutter the thread with evaluations.

(edit) anime is usable as canon alongside the original manga.
I am still not convinced by the idea of treating anime as equivalent to manga and supporting a scene that is shown in a completely different way, as well as finding it dishonest between them.
 
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He says that he can’t follow him that far because he can’t move away, not that, despite the speed gap, he’s somehow able to keep up with him. The anime shows him dodging the slashes while staying in the same position without retreating. If this were to be connected to his striking speed, then Tanjiro would be contradicting the calc.
The manga (the primary canon) shows differently - the demon doesn’t duck in time, he is slightly out of range but Tanjiro still shallowly cuts him, but cannot follow it up to go step further and properly decapitate him with a full depth cut since he needs to say in range of the civilians.

I’m actually just saying that there can be other dynamics that are more consistent, or at least equally consistent. You say he dodges at point-blank range when we don’t see when either of their movements begins, or when we only see one of them. Moreover, Tanjiro is dragging the civilian; I think pulling him up and staying close to that hole is slightly stupid. Doubling the distance does not demonstrate a 14× gap.

The rest has either already been clarified or you didn’t address it directly, and I’m trying not to clutter the thread with evaluations.
And why wouldn’t the demon attack immediately when Tanjiro grabs the girl? One scenario is far more plausible than the other.

And again, it is a 9x gap, not a 14x gap.
 
This is all sort of feeding back into the problem of "manga tend to dramatize last-moment dodges as moving further than the attack they're avoiding for visual clarity." Repeatedly avoiding attacks from less skilled opponents and then striking them back in turn isn't something you need a massive speed gap to achieve even assuming there is one at all - and while I think it's fine to say Tanjiro is faster it's clearly not by a blitz-worthy degree or he'd just have immediately taken their heads off and never been at much risk.
 
while I think it's fine to say Tanjiro is faster it's clearly not by a blitz-worthy degree or he'd just have immediately taken their heads off and never been at much risk.
He does blitz the last demon when he has the chance to.

Prior, he has to contend with the fact that the Swamp Demon holds all the cards notably:

  • A 3v1
  • Attacking without warning from different directions
  • Civilians he must repeatedly save
  • A minimum distance to the civilians he needs to keep to, preventing him from finishing off any single opponent
  • A Blood Demon Art that allows for rapid transposition faster than the Swamp Demon’s actual combat/attack speed
  • A pocket dimension he struggles to breathe in that has no footing

And yet despite all this he is consistently outspeeding them at every turn.

To say we must ignore every dodge as simple dramatization due to some perceived inconsistency seems to me a mighty stretch.
 
The manga (the primary canon) shows differently - the demon doesn’t duck in time, he is slightly out of range but Tanjiro still shallowly cuts him, but cannot follow it up to go step further and properly decapitate him with a full depth cut since he needs to say in range of the civilians.
The manga shows that Tanjiro hit him first, and once again, despite being able to land multiple blows before the demon could move, the demon still managed to reposition himself after taking the first hit.
If that half meter (even less) needed to kill him is considered too far, then I think the discussion can end here. (You’re basically saying that someone who is 9–14 times faster, after missing the first hit against a slower character, throws a second one for no reason.)

And why wouldn’t the demon attack immediately when Tanjiro grabs the girl? One scenario is far more plausible than the other.

And again, it is a 9x gap, not a 14x gap.
I assume you can tell me with absolute certainty when the demon realized what was happening, and above all when he started moving. Regardless of everything, the first one to move is Tanjiro.
 
The manga shows that Tanjiro hit him first, and once again, despite being able to land multiple blows before the demon could move, the demon still managed to reposition himself after taking the first hit.
If that half meter (even less) needed to kill him is considered too far, then I think the discussion can end here. (You’re basically saying that someone who is 9–14 times faster, after missing the first hit against a slower character, throws a second one for no reason.)
Stop saying 14. It is 9. And yeah, making another meter long arc length with your blade when you are already at the end of your range and worried about another clone killing the civilians behind you if you attempted so while the demon merely needs to drop a smaller distance back into his pocket dimension which is noting as being especially fast is perfectly in line with what the manga tells us.

I assume you can tell me with absolute certainty when the demon realized what was happening, and above all when he started moving. Regardless of everything, the first one to move is Tanjiro.
I mean yeah? Tanjiro was literally reaching into his pocket dimension while the Swamp Demon clones has repeatedly shown awareness outside of it.

Tanjiro’s “first move” was to reach into it, not dodge away, which is shown in the same panel as the demon’s attack.
 
This is all sort of feeding back into the problem of "manga tend to dramatize last-moment dodges as moving further than the attack they're avoiding for visual clarity." Repeatedly avoiding attacks from less skilled opponents and then striking them back in turn isn't something you need a massive speed gap to achieve even assuming there is one at all - and while I think it's fine to say Tanjiro is faster it's clearly not by a blitz-worthy degree or he'd just have immediately taken their heads off and never been at much risk.
Could you give us some input on the rest as well? Thank you.
 
Tanjiro dodges like 4x the distance the Swamp Demon moves to begin with
Massively over-statement, he jumped out of the way
Tanjiro fends off 3 at once at point blank range despite being taken by surprise
It seems like the technique was made for this and, regardless
Tanjiro reacts and blitzes one that appeared behind him before he can cross the tiny distance to hurt the civilian
Not a blitz, and this is not exactly uncommon in manga for people comparable to each other
Tanjiro dodges at the last second despite being taken by surprise
Once again, that falls into the rule of dodging things last second, so it wouldn't pass. Besides, in the anime, which is considered a primary cannon source, this does not happen
Tanjiro continues to pull off last second dodges despite being unable to predict where attacks will come from
That's just a dodge
Tanjiro blitzes two at once in the pocket dimension despite being nerfed from the thin air which makes breathing harder
Tanjiro literally said the air was not a problem because of the place he trained was similar, not only that, he also said the environment would allow him to pull of his technique to its full potential, he was only able to do that because of his environment
Tanjiro blitzes the last one at the last possible second to save Nezuko
Also not something uncommon for mangas.

With the added fight scenes of the Demons dodging Tanjiro, that calculation can't work
 
Massively over-statement, he jumped out of the way

It seems like the technique was made for this and, regardless

Not a blitz, and this is not exactly uncommon in manga for people comparable to each other

Once again, that falls into the rule of dodging things last second, so it wouldn't pass.

That's just a dodge

Tanjiro literally said the air was not a problem because of the place he trained was similar, not only that, he also said the environment would allow him to pull of his technique to its full potential, he was only able to do that because of his environment

Also not something uncommon for mangas.

With the added fight scenes of the Demons dodging Tanjiro, that calculation can't work
Are we really going to brush off the entire fight as “yeah that is common in mangas” “he just dodged” “that’s just a technique”?

This entire rule was made to stop dramatizations of one off exaggerated dodges of otherwise relative characters, not ignore when the entire fight consists of exactly such kind of movements.

Besides, in the anime, which is considered a primary cannon source, this does not happen
The manga is accepted as the primary canon for everything except Mugen Train.
 
Alright, sorry for the late reply.

The first two are ones whose issue I understand, and I will say that I lean more towards this being a problem if the gap isn't that great, because it seems like the proposed speed gap isn't all that great. Tanjiro was certainly faster, but whether it's enough to say, justify the calc, that's not for me to conclusively say. There is a lot of ambiguity that justifies the gap such as relative effort or seriousness, but I don't know if it quite reaches the mark to make this assumption feasible.

I don't see anything mechanically wrong with the third calculation, more or less the kinks around the scaling.

Fourth should be fine.
 
Are we really going to brush off the entire fight as “yeah that is common in mangas” “he just dodged” “that’s just a technique”?
That's what happening, yes
This entire rule was made to stop dramatizations of one off exaggerated dodges of otherwise relative characters, not ignore when the entire fight consists of exactly such kind of movements.
This fight doesn't have that, it's Tanjiro vs 3 dudes who are comparable to him, he is not able to blitz them, specially in the full fight where the demons are capable of dodging his attacks
The manga is accepted as the primary canon for everything except Mugen Train.
The anime is taken as cannon alongside the manga, so both scenes work in tandem
 
That's what happening, yes
Yeah, it is common in mangas because blitzing people is common in mangas.

This fight doesn't have that, it's Tanjiro vs 3 dudes who are comparable to him, he is not able to blitz them, specially in the full fight where the demons are capable of dodging his attacks
It is Tanjiro vs 3 dudes popping out of the walls constantly that he is consistently outpacing despite being repeatedly sneak attacked and guarding civilians with a get out of jail free card via a rapid exit to a pocket dimension.

The anime is taken as cannon alongside the manga, so both scenes work in tandem
Don’t think that is how it works, although VSBW’s canon rules are so vague as to be practically meaningless so who knows.
 
If I understand correctly, you agree except for the third calc. If so, then I think we can close this? as we have two approvals and Chompy agrees that the justifications for the first calculation are not good.
I don't really plan on exactly commenting here anymore as the points made in favor do not convince me but I think it is rather rude to close the thread when someone clearly still wants to argue their point
 
I don't really plan on exactly commenting here anymore as the points made in favor do not convince me but I think it is rather rude to close the thread when someone clearly still wants to argue their point
I understand, although I doubt that it will change his view, and the points mentioned have been circulating for a while. Thank you again for your input.
 
Yeah if sufficient mod votes have been cast I guess there is no point in dragging it out
 
Yeah if sufficient mod votes have been cast I guess there is no point in dragging it out
I think you can still bring up the discussion later, but it still needs to be recalculated, as drite also suggested for Douma's calculation. Things like punch speed would need to be lowered, and running speed would not be added.
 
I'll comment on the calcs I'm familiar with.

- Here the demon, by moving backward, dodges Tanjiro’s two slashes; in the calc the demon’s movement speed is about 280 m/s slower.
You should consider the fact that Tanjiro was purposedly not chasing the demons as he couldn't get far away from the two civilians he was protecting, Tanjiro actually stated this in the same scan you shared. Furthermore, in this scene the demon backed using his BDA, which shouldn't be assumed to be equally fast as his physical speed. And on a side note, Tanjiro's movement was 259 m/s faster, not 280 m/s, although absolute differences don't say much about the speed gap.
Tanjiro considers something "fast" even when it’s 23 times slower
Once again this is the speed of the demon’s BDA, not his physical speed.
I also saw someone commenting they were ducking using gravity, which makes little sense considering the demons were able to keep about half their bodies floating outside the swamp for extended periods of time without making any movements that would allow them to do so. So, either the water in the swamp was extremely dense, thus allowing the demons to float despite half their body volume being outside of it (which would of course impede them from ducking using gravity alone); or they are using their very clearly magical ability to stay at float without needing to move.
On the other hand, the demon is not 23 times slower than Tanjiro; I don’t know where you got that number from. As I calculated in my blog, Tanjiro’s movement was 291 m/s, while the demon’s hand was moving at 32.3 m/s, that means Tanjiro was only 9 times faster, not 23; I even stated this in the blog itself.
In this scene he was saved by Nezuko while he remained practically motionless
This is just not true. The same scan you shared here shows Tanjiro was already winding up a breathing technique even before the demon attacked him, Nezuko simply beat him to it.

In the profile, they are considered relative
The profiles considering them to be relative doesn't really adds much to the discussion, as the profiles aren't necessarily the absolute truth. Usually, these ratings are decided after discussing whether this character is relative (or not) to this other character, and not the other way around. This argument would be equivalent to arguing that two characters are equal because their profiles say so, on a CRT that precisely aims to change that.
Following the anime, the demon dodges without any problem
The anime showing a different portrayal of the feats is irrelevant since the manga is the primary canon and as such it takes precedence in these cases. The anime doesn't even fit the requirements to qualify as primary canon.
To summarize this part, you provide 5 main arguments:
  1. One instance of the swamp demon seemingly matching Tanjiro's speed.
  2. One instance of the Tanjiro considering the swamp demon to be fast.
  3. One instance of Tanjiro supposedly not being able to react to an attack coming from behind.
  4. The profiles labeling them as equal.
  5. The anime showing a different portrayal of the feat.
The first two come down to the demon using his BDA, which simply can't be assumed to be equally fast to his physical speed unless you can prove otherwise; furthermore, you overlook the fact that Tanjiro was purposedly limiting his movement in order to keep these two civilians safe. The third one is just plainly not true as the same scans you shared show Tanjiro winding up an attack. Regarding the fourth one, the characters' profiles don't hold the absolute truth and are liable to change. The fifth one is pretty self-explanatory and requires no further discussion.
So none of these arguments are actually valid if you're trying to argue the demon's physical speed is relative to that of Tanjiro's.



Here, the katana’s speed is incorrectly extrapolated from the context​
Yeah, the speed of the sword used in this calculation is wrong and should be changed. However, Inosuke and Kanao are by no means relative to Doma in terms of speed, Doma was very clearly not taking their fight seriously, he was giggling and laughing the whole time with a wide carefree smile on his face at the same time he praised whatever they did (just as he did with Shinobu and when he met Akaza at the UM gathering); while he simply perception blitzed the two of them when he felt like it (as Epyriel showed). On the other hand, Inosuke and Kanao were evidently struggling (a lot) to keep up against Doma. Doma was so confident in his superiority that when he was done playing around, instead of dealing with Inosuke and Kanao himself, he just decided to abandon the fight and let a single ice doll deal with them. Additionally, Doma himself stated he was just playing around, which is pretty clear from his attitude throughout the whole battle and from the fact he waited until the last moments to use his strongest techniques.
On top of that, the first scan you shared here, it's explicitly stated that Kanao was predicting Doma's movements, so she wasn't actually reacting to them.

Do you really believe all this means Kanao and Inosuke were “presented as equals” to Doma?

In addition, Inosuke and Kanao being relative to Doma would imply they're faster than Akaza and marked Giyu, when they're not even hashira level.


Here, the premise is that Yoriichi was caught off guard by something 363 times slower than him
Yoriichi can be taken by surprise by something that's hundreds of times slower than him even if he sees the movement happening in slow motion, I don't really understand what the issue is here. As long as something unexpected happens, you'll be taken by surprise by this event, even if it happens to be really slow. Being taken by surprise doesn't mean you can't react to this event by the way; both are completely different things.
The thing is Yoriichi simply wasn't expecting Muzan to explode himself at all, he has limited precognition, but he can't see the future. Muzan pulled a bold move no other demon was ever shown, stated or ever implied to have done; so there really is no reason to believe Yoriichi was expecting this to happen, which makes even less sense considering he would have definitely stopped Muzan from getting away if he had known what was coming.​

The image does not seem to suggest an omnidirectional explosion (as assumed), but rather an explosion directed toward Yoriichi
I don't really see the explosion being directed towards Yoriichi, if that were the case, you'd expect to see a well-defined stream of flesh bits contained somewhere within this area, or at the very least they all should be to the right of Muzan's body, which is very clearly not the case.
Also, does it really look like these bits are moving towards Yoriichi? Because—unless I'm getting something wrong—it just seems like some of them are quite literally moving in the opposite direction.
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Based on the fact that Yoriichi considers Muzan’s division to possess incredible strength, it's not impossible to assume that it is beyond Yoriichi’s capabilities
I thought it was rather obvious that, if the flesh bits had a speed relative to that of Yoriichi's, he wouldn't have been able to cut down over 1500 of them. The calculation itself proves he had to be hundreds of times faster to do so, and even if—for whatever reason—we assume he was cutting 10x more bits on each sword swing, he'd still have to be tens of times faster than the bits.
And it also seems like you contradict yourself here​
[...] it's not impossible to assume that it is beyond Yoriichi’s capabilities since it caught him off guard
Since a bit earlier you just said that
Being taken by surprise under these conditions [...] is impossible

The scene shows that while Muzan’s head has exploded, the rest of his body is still present
I highly doubt that's the case considering we can't see Muzan's arms despite the fact they were standing out from his clothes just moments before; the remains appear to simply be the clothes he was wearing at that moment. Also, it doesn't seem possible for Muzan's head alone to explode into so many bits that big. And furthermore, the same scene talks about Muzan's body exploding, there really is no reference to different parts of his body exploding at different times. You need further and stronger evidence to actually claim this is what truly happened.

Using Yoriichi's attack range is bad. It only works if he was exactly where Muzan was
Well, yes… I also stated this in the blog itself. I modeled the feat assuming Yoriichi and Muzan where in the same spot (while acknowledging that wasn't the case) in order to simplify the calculations, this assumption also yields a lower bound for the feat (which is something I also stated in the blog), so as of now the feat is actually being underestimated.

The omnidirectionality of the explosion is straight up debunked by the panel itself; the distance they are at would barely allow Yoriichi to extend the katana to reach Muzan
This argument ignores the fact that Yoriichi could have simply leaned forward in order to catch the other flesh bits instead of staying in that awkward position, and he's actually shown to be standing upright in the following panels. This also relies on the assumption the author was very carefully making sure all the distances and proportions made perfect sense, even though the drawings of the characters are actually lacking a lot of detail in that scene.​
 
The anime is taken as cannon alongside the manga, so both scenes work in tandem
This makes very little sense as it would allow people to conveniently pick whatever source they want as long as it fits their agenda, and no source having priority over the other would lead to literal endless and pointless debates. Furthermore, the Demon Slayer anime doesn't fits the requirements to qualify as primary canon at all.
 
I checked the recent messages, there isn't really much for me to say since epyriel and felpe already said everything i could say, however

The first two are ones whose issue I understand, and I will say that I lean more towards this being a problem if the gap isn't that great, because it seems like the proposed speed gap isn't all that great. Tanjiro was certainly faster, but whether it's enough to say, justify the calc, that's not for me to conclusively say. There is a lot of ambiguity that justifies the gap such as relative effort or seriousness, but I don't know if it quite reaches the mark to make this assumption feasible.
The first one might be arguable, but if the only issue you have with the Doma calc is the issue of "dodging punches", then the calc is still very much valid, Doma is disgustingly faster than both the characters present and synchronize (no offence) simply misunderstood the context of the battle and scenes.

He is well within the ballpark of speed that even allows him to statue them, and he demonstrated it multiple times (as an example, he took off Inosuke's mask and walked several meters away as Inosuke was mid sentence, without him even realising it happened until 2 seconds later)
 
There is also this, which might also axe the calculation
The truth is Kanao and Inosuke aren't presented as equals to Doma. The whole fight very clearly suggests Doma was merely toying with them, I already wrote something about this above.

Massively over-statement, he jumped out of the way
It isn't an over-statement, by the time the demon had moved his arm a certain distance, we can see Tanjiro moved a ~3x larger distance. This is just another instance of him out-speeding this demon.

It seems like the technique was made for this
The technique is simply about raising your sword and then coming down with great force; it is nowhere stated or implied it can land multiple blows at once, so this is just Tanjiro—once again—being faster than the demons.

Not a blitz, and this is not exactly uncommon in manga for people comparable to each other
Truly not a blitz, however, it again shows how Tanjiro could move a larger distance faster than the demon could move a notably shorter one.

Once again, that falls into the rule of dodging things last second, so it wouldn't pass
This wouldn't pass if the characters involved were being presented as equals, which is precisely what is being discussed. Assuming this blatant feat doesn't pass because of that rule would be circular reasoning.

That's just a dodge
Not just a mere dodge, but dodging one attack after the other from three different enemies while not knowing where they're coming from at the same time he's taking care of two helpless civilians. I truly can't see how could this be possible if their speeds happened to be matched.

Tanjiro literally said the air was not a problem because of the place he trained was similar
He didn't said that "the air was no problem", he just said that the place where he trained had an even thinner air, which doesn't means air that's thinner than the one in the surface should suppose no problem to him.
he also said the environment would allow him to pull of his technique to its full potential
Not really, he just said he had a technique that also works underwater. There's no mention of this move "becoming stronger" or "releasing its full potential" when under the water.

Even so, this once again shows Tanjiro had no trouble when dealing with these demons (despite them being at advantage) now that he didn't have to take care of civilians.

Also not something uncommon for mangas.
I don't understand how this invalidates the feat. The point is this happens continuously and consistently throughout the whole fight, yet somehow their speeds are relative?
 
Do I really have to explain your calculations to you?
Please do, because I very clearly stated the speed gap is only 9x in my blog, which is something I would have expected you to notice since you're making this thread and supposedly read through my calculation. This becomes even more confusing when you mention a 23x speed gap earlier in your thread:​
Tanjiro considers something "fast" even when it’s 23 times slower

And all this makes even less sense when you consider the fact that the speed gap depends solely on the distance each character moved during the feat, which isn't something that has been contested so far. Not to mention this is merely elementary school level math, which genuinely makes me wonder how did you even arrived at such values.​
 
I don't really plan on exactly commenting here anymore
This is bad debating etiquette.

By all means, no one has to be convinced of our points, but when someone makes a claim, they have to make it defensible with reasoning (by explaining how they got to a conclusion) and proper corroboration (by presenting evidence that supports their claim). This is a universal thing in argumentation. When someone says something to the effect of "I'm not interacting with any further discussion" mid-discussion, they are no longer engaging in much needed reasoning to make their premise sufficient even with rebuttals. This does not fly anywhere on VSB. Not something that Staff do, not something that any VSB user who cares about what they are arguing/

Let alone anyone could bring up points in an argument that a person would have to further justify as to why it doesn't make their claim less plausible

Let alone how that type of behavior doesn't encourage reconciliation when people decide not actively follow ever progressing discussion.

There isn't much one can accomplish when they claim something, ask for knowledgeable members to verify, argue against those knowledgeable members, and then just dip out after some back and forth? What if another CGM, seeing that they did not care to elaborate further, just agrees with an opposite side because they broadly argue a point, but don't go any deeper into it?
Also not something uncommon for mangas.
I'm not speaking to you, because you've made it clear you do not want to engage anymore. That's fine. I'm speaking more towards the spirit of this claim in general.

What is this trying to say?

Is this claiming that Tanjiro's demonstration of speed is exaggerated because manga in general commonly do this? Okay...sure, is there any counter evidence anyone can provide to show that there is a discrepancy between speeds Tanjiro has shown?
 
Yeah if sufficient mod votes have been cast I guess there is no point in dragging it out
Not much discussion has happened since, I am going to lock this as concluded.
This is bad debating etiquette.
Want to briefly mention that this is an extremely fair response to stonewalling or circular arguments.
 
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