Lifting Strength Upgrade (Class M)

[Tllmbrg]

So I made a Stone Golem page, which has a Class M calc
We should update various pages to be Class M through scaling by Strength Scores

Who gets updated:
Monsters in 5e that have 22 Strength or more
Monsters in 4e that have 24 Strength or more
Monsters in 3.5e that have 29 Strength or more

 

[Qawsedf234]

The Stone Golem page has a image inserted into the General Resistance tab. You may want to remove that.

As for the Class M scaling I'm fine with it. As a note in 1e/2e/BD&D the Stone Golems also had 22 STR. Though we don't have that many profiles that cover just those eras of D&D.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Same as Qawsed, I've no problem with this. Though, that said, most editions note that you can push more weight if you're a larger size. As 5e Stone Giants are Huge, for example, only a Huge creature with 23 Strength would be equivalent, as lesser sizes would, mechanically, not be equivalent, even with the same strength score.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Then by the same token in 3.5e it's for Large creatures
Although how we account for say a Medium creature with a decently higher strength score?

What about creatures that are 1-3 points below the Golem and are of the the same category or are larger?
Also also what about quadrupeds who get a hefty multiplier a lot of the times

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Then by the same token in 3.5e it's for Large creatures
Although how we account for say a Medium creature with a decently higher strength score?

What about creatures that are 1-3 points below the Golem and are of the the same category or are larger?
Also also what about quadrupeds who get a hefty multiplier a lot of the times

That's fair.
I really don't have a solution for medium/larger creatures, I just thought we'd better account for the lifting mechanics of the verse. Really, I've got nothin'.

I suppose we could try to tinker with the multiplier and see how much higher/lower you'd need as various creature classes to lift an "equal" amount per the rules, but this feels very odd to me.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I suppose we could try to tinker with the multiplier and see how much higher/lower you'd need as various creature classes to lift an "equal" amount per the rules, but this feels very odd to me.

I mean it's not wrong and it seems odd to just have be something only a certain size of creature and those above it scale to it

For 5e this should actually be fairly easy since it's a simple multiplier of 2 for carrying capacity when you get bigger or smaller, so a Medium creature would need a Strength score of 44 assuming they don't have Powerful Build feature

Idfk how 4e does Carrying Capacity so @Dragonstitch can comment on this

3.5e is the real funky one but for two legged creatures it seems the carrying capacity is x2 too
Quadrupeds is the one idk about

 

[Qawsedf234]

I suppose we could try to tinker with the multiplier and see how much higher/lower you'd need as various creature classes to lift an "equal" amount per the rules, but this feels very odd to me.

Personally speaking unless they're notably higher or much stronger like Hercules we shouldn't scale people to them.

A medium sized Demon Lord makes sense, Drizzt would not.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Personally speaking unless they're notably higher or much stronger like Hercules we shouldn't scale people to them.

A medium sized Demon Lord makes sense, Drizzt would not.

While I agree with the sentiment, that seems a bit arbitrary.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I feel like we should leave out Drizzet and other novel folks out of this, they most certainly have their own feats that they scale to
Although if we are altering them we should check who they scale to and their strength scores, like if he has the feats there's no reason to not scale Drizzet to this

 

[Dragonstitch]

Idfk how 4e does Carrying Capacity so @Dragonstitch can comment on this

for 4e as far as i am aware there is no multiplier for larger sizes. everyone uses the same thing unless you take the Eternal Defender epic destiny which gives you a 2x multiplier.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Well then for 4e we just scale everyone with or an above strength score to this value
Although again we should discuss what we do with people 1-3 points below it

 

[Qawsedf234]

that seems a bit arbitrary.

I'm just not sure how else to do it unless you mechanically determine the strength conversion for everyone.

 

[Qawsedf234]

people 1-3 points below it

Just "At least [x]". We already treat minor stat or level differences as being multiple tiers apart anyways.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm just not sure how else to do it unless you mechanically determine the strength conversion for everyone.

Yeah, I don't really have a good solution for this particular headache.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Time to do what 5e fears most
Math

 

[Tllmbrg]

Um bump?

 

[Tllmbrg]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

Its been mostly accepted.

For now regarding 5e I say that we only scale people that are as large/larger than the Golem and have comparable strength rating to it for now.

We can Math it out later.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Oh alright, ig I'll just adjust whatever pages need it freely then