Levi Ackerman AP downgrade

[MorrisHatesYou]

Levi shouldn't scale to 9-A physically because the two of the justifications for it presented in the page are very bad.

Here it is:

Attack Potency: Small Building level physically (Due to his Awakened Power as a result of being a member of the Ackerman Clan, Levi can manifest power comparable to that of a Pure Titan[1]. Can harm Titans with kicks)

If you look at the scan of the first justification, it is explicitly stated that the Ackerman bloodline partly manifest the strength of a titan, the keyword here is 'partly', that means they manifest the power of a titan only to certain degree and not entirely. So this has to go.

And as for the second justification, there are two problems there, the first is that levi did the feat with the help of the force exerted by the odm gear, the second problem lies on how inconsistent the titans are, there are instances where characters who are supposed to be far weaker than titans somehow manage to match their strength, for example, Eren managed to hold mouth of a titan open here, and here, Hannes, someone who is supposed to be around, if not only slightly stronger than your average scout, somehow managed to block a titan's slap to defend Eren and Mikasa.

So, Levi shouldn't scale to 9-A but should scale to the highest value of a feat performed by a human in the series, which is Reiner's durability feat.

He should be indexed like this "At least wall level, likely far higher", since he's far stronger than him.

This should also apply to his uncle Kenny.

 

[Excellence616]

I do agree with the downgrade but those two characters did that feats under extreme conditions. Both Eren and Hannes where at the brink of death or this protecting "Eren Emotional amp stuff" that made them perform those feat.

That said, if you check the complete scan for the Levi feats, you would see that he kicked and slammed the titan to the ground.


But in the near future, am planning on some upgrade for Levi and possibly the rest of the verse.


For now, i agree

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

For now I agree, May change my vote if good counter arguments arises.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

I do agree with the downgrade but those two characters did that feats under extreme conditions. Both Eren and Hannes where at the brink of death or this protecting "Eren Emotional amp stuff" that made them perform those feat.

Fair enough, you could argue for plot induced stupidity, but there are still other occasions that shows their inconsistency, if I'm not wrong, sasha with bow and axe could damage titans, and titans in general are really hard to scale, some of them can have eren's titan broke his hand by tanking his punch, some of them are damaged by melee weapons used by humans.
Because of those instances I hold the idea that in general, they're inconsistent

That said, if you check the complete scan for the Levi feats, you would see that he kicked and slammed the titan to the ground.

The scan is kinda confusing to me, the author didn't show the entire movement so I don't know about this.

But in the near future, am planning on some upgrade for Levi and possibly the rest of the verse.


For now, i agree

Nice

 

[Dinozxd]

Agreed.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Agreed.

We cooking with this one

 

[Excellence616]

We cooking with this one

You forgot to add tags to the CRT

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

You forgot to add tags to the CRT

Added
Lmk if i missed any

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Bump

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Bump

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

But in the near future, am planning on some upgrade for Levi and possibly the rest of the verse.

Lmk

 

[Excellence616]

Lmk

Okay

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Bump

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Bump

 

[Therefir]

I think this makes sense, even the statement confirms that Levi is only partially manifesting the strength of a titan, and not even necessarily a 15-meter pure titan.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

I think this makes sense, even the statement confirms that Levi is only partially manifesting the strength of a titan, and not even necessarily a 15-meter pure titan.

One staff agreement

 

[Jason_Courne]

And as for the second justification, there are two problems there, the first is that levi did the feat with the help of the force exerted by the odm gear, the second problem lies on how inconsistent the titans are, there are instances where characters who are supposed to be far weaker than titans somehow manage to match their strength, for example, Eren managed to hold mouth of a titan open here, and here, Hannes, someone who is supposed to be around, if not only slightly stronger than your average scout, somehow managed to block a titan's slap to defend Eren and Mikasa.

ODM Gear wouldn't matter because his durability scales to the ODM gear. Hell, the calculation you linked as a replacement uses durability from the ODM gear

Eren is a Titan shifter, but regardless, his body WAS crushed by the titan

Also you missed the fact that Levi's durability downscales from the Female Titan

Durability: Small Building level (...Took an attack from the Female Titan but broke his ankle...)

With that said, I'm neutral on the downgrade

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

ODM Gear wouldn't matter because his durability scales to the ODM gear. Hell, the calculation you linked as a replacement uses durability from the ODM gear

I don't get what you meant by this, he should obviously scale to the durability from the odm gear, I don't see how it affects the argument on using the force exerted by his odm gear helps him.

Also you missed the fact that Levi's durability downscales from the Female Titan

I re-watched the scene and that doesn't seem like a direct attack, Levi just happened to land on the Titans hand and he broke his ankle because he accidentally twisted it.

 

[Jason_Courne]

I don't get what you meant by this, he should obviously scale to the durability from the odm gear, I don't see how it affects the argument on using the force exerted by his odm gear helps him.

Titan < ODM gear AP = Levi's durability = Levi's AP. Even if it was performed via ODM gear, Levi would still scale to it regardless

I re-watched the scene and that doesn't seem like a direct attack, Levi just happened to land on the Titans hand and he broke his ankle because he accidentally twisted it.

Well no, Annie was using her hardening to lure Mikasa in so she could swat her away, Levi saved her but got caught by Annie's slap, breaking his ankle before he could jump away

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Titan < ODM gear AP = Levi's durability = Levi's AP. Even if it was performed via ODM gear, Levi would still scale to it regardless

Fair enough, there still is a point about inconsistency of titans though.

Well no, Annie was using her hardening to lure Mikasa in so she could swat her away, Levi saved her but got caught by Annie's slap, breaking his ankle before he could jump away

You're probably right, but I don't think we have an idea on how strong that particular attack scales, it obviously isn't stronger than her basic attacks.

 

[Dinozxd]

Well no, Annie was using her hardening to lure Mikasa in so she could swat her away, Levi saved her but got caught by Annie's slap, breaking his ankle before he could jump away

The slap didn't damage him when it first made contact though. It just looks like Levi overextended his ankle after landing on her hand with bad balance, which resulted in him injuring his ankle by accident.

Edit: Also, the justification is garbage overall. How is Levi scaling to an attack that broke his bone?

 

[Jason_Courne]

The slap didn't damage him when it first made contact though. It just looks like Levi overextended his ankle after landing on her hand with bad balance, which resulted in him injuring his ankle by accident.

Annie was using her hardening to lure Mikasa in so she could swat her away, Levi saved her but got caught by Annie's slap, breaking his ankle before he could jump away

Edit: Also, the justification is garbage overall. How is Levi scaling to an attack that broke his bone?

Because it didn't completely evaporate his body and he was still well within in fighting shape

 

[Dinozxd]

Annie was using her hardening to lure Mikasa in so she could swat her away, Levi saved her but got caught by Annie's slap, breaking his ankle before he could jump away

It more so looks like Levi acted before Annie's slap was actually in motion and landed on her hand, but then overextended his ankle which caused it to break.

Because it didn't completely evaporate his body and he was still well within in fighting shape

Eh.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Edit: Also, the justification is garbage overall. How is Levi scaling to an attack that broke his bone?

Tbf, it didn’t break his leg. It got twisted. He was still capable of walking.

 

[Dinozxd]

Tbf, it didn’t break his leg. It got twisted. He was still capable of walking.

I mean, the reason he twisted it because he rushed to save Mikasa and got caught while he was unbalanced. The thing is though, Annie's slap wasn't even completed, and even if it was, it definitely doesn't scale to her normal attacks.

 

[Excellence616]

I always knew Levi's ankle was misinterpreted.


All Levi did was wrong landing because of Mikasa.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I mean, the reason he twisted it because he rushed to save Mikasa and got caught while he was unbalanced. The thing is though, Annie's slap wasn't even completed, and even if it was, it definitely doesn't scale to her normal attacks.

Not arguing against that. Just clarifying. But I agree. Levi tore her arms apart beforehand as well. If a weakened Annie, with a casual hand stroke, is enough to twist Levi’s ankle, then he should NOT scale to her in the slightest.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Bump

 

[Armorchompy]

If you look at the scan of the first justification, it is explicitly stated that the Ackerman bloodline partly manifest the strength of a titan, the keyword here is 'partly', that means they manifest the power of a titan only to certain degree and not entirely. So this has to go.

This makes sense to me

And as for the second justification, there are two problems there, the first is that levi did the feat with the help of the force exerted by the odm gear, the second problem lies on how inconsistent the titans are, there are instances where characters who are supposed to be far weaker than titans somehow manage to match their strength, for example, Eren managed to hold mouth of a titan open here, and here, Hannes, someone who is supposed to be around, if not only slightly stronger than your average scout, somehow managed to block a titan's slap to defend Eren and Mikasa.

This relies on verse context enough that I can't really tell. Seems reasonable enough but I'll stick to whatever the verse knowers say

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

This makes sense to me

This relies on verse context enough that I can't really tell. Seems reasonable enough but I'll stick to whatever the verse knowers say

Thank you for the evaluation, much appreciated!

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Bump

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Bump

 

[Damage3245]

OP seems fine to me.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

OP seems fine to me.

Thanks for the evaluation!

 

[Manhattanth06]

I think Levi's durability is at least still 9A Because he didn't take any damage from his kick to the Titan's face. Moreover, in the story we haven't seen anyone who can deal damage to him besides the Thunder Spear.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

I think Levi's durability is at least still 9A Because he didn't take any damage from his kick to the Titan's face. Moreover, in the story we haven't seen anyone who can deal damage to him besides the Thunder Spear.

Not sure if that's how it works

 

[ExSENNA]

I think Levi's durability is at least still 9A Because he didn't take any damage from his kick to the Titan's face. Moreover, in the story we haven't seen anyone who can deal damage to him besides the Thunder Spear.

Titans are not as durable as they are strong, even Titan Shifters get their hands blown away after punching a pure Titan and it is possible to kill Titans with cannons and injure them with axes and even knives.

We don't see anyone harming Levi because as far as I know we don't see anyone managing to get their hands on him in the first pleace. He dodges everything. If he had 9-A durability, he wouldn't need dodge anything other than Thunder Spears and Shifter attacks and would be able to face-tank anything in the first place.

I am in favor of all human characters being back to 9-B. Bertolt, someone who has no business fighting gainst a human with Titan-level power, was able to block an attack from Mikasa, who has the same Ackerman justification as Levi.

I also would want "8-B with swords" to away because it doesn't make sense for people to be stronger with swords than literal Titan Shifters, but that's for another time I guess

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Titans are not as durable as they are strong, even Titan Shifters get their hands blown away after punching a pure Titan and it is possible to kill Titans with cannons and injure them with axes and even knives.

We don't see anyone harming Levi because as far as I know we don't see anyone managing to get their hands on him in the first pleace. He dodges everything. If he had 9-A durability, he wouldn't need dodge anything other than Thunder Spears and Shifter attacks and would be able to face-tank anything in the first place.

I am in favor of all human characters being back to 9-B. Bertolt, someone who has no business fighting gainst a human with Titan-level power, was able to block an attack from Mikasa, who has the same Ackerman justification as Levi.

I also would want "8-B with swords" to away because it doesn't make sense for people to be stronger with swords than literal Titan Shifters, but that's for another time I guess

Agree

 

[NikHelton]

Annie was using her hardening to lure Mikasa in so she could swat her away, Levi saved her but got caught by Annie's slap, breaking his ankle before he could jump away


Because it didn't completely evaporate his body and he was still well within in fighting shape

If I get hit by a 10-A man who knocks out my teeth and breaks my nose, but I can still stand on my feet, it won't make me 10-A

 

[AThe1412]

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