Legend of Zelda Major abilities revisions like Fate manip and adding several others.

[AshenCrow777]

To start off. It came to my attention that a lot of abilities are missing on the Legend of Zelda page.

Like fate manipulation, information manipulation, MS having acausality and many others that will be brought here in time.

For Fate manip it not only had more than one stament in Zelda games but it also had two different showings the first one mainly being in wind waker, but more on that later.

Second being information manipulation when the king of red lions made his wish, he wished for all hyrule to be washed (funny how the Triforce took it in a literal sense too) away and all of its history too basically... everything related too it.

Since no one ever mentions the Triforce, old gods or anything else part of old hyrule ever again.

Only tetra and link knows about past hyrule, and not only that the TF disappeared forever even the individual pieces of the Triforce are gone and not even mentioned for the next 2 games, plus the Triforce materialized a new continent out of nowhere and we know from a fact the shop keeper that travels the world and the gorons too never mentioned any other continents as massive as the new Hyrule is mind boggling.

That also brings the fact that some form of matter manipulation should be added since it was able to spawn a massive continent out of nowhere.

For the MS (Master Sword) acausality it's pretty simple, Hero of Time took the master sword back with him into the past, yet the master sword was still in the future.

Which honestly isn't a surprise with how good the MS time abilities are and this is further supported by it's statement to transcend time.

And if this isn't enough let's not forget the goddess sword and master sword exists at the same time, the goddess sword being the original "base" form of the MS is still out there with an other FI.

By extension some of these abilities should be added to the cast that are able to weild the Triforce, I will add things as the thread goes on.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

I agree obvs

 

[TriforcePower1]

There's so much wrong stuff here...

 

[AshenCrow777]

There's so much wrong stuff here...

Can you please point them out?

 

[TriforcePower1]

Everything about Fate Manipulation has already been rejected.

Triforce spawning New Hyrule is fanfiction at best. People never discovered it because they weren't exploring outside of the great sea in search of a new continent.

What do you mean by "taking the Master Sword to the past"? If you're talking about OoT ending, that's contradicted by WW having the Master Sword.

The SS thing isn't a feat of Acausality. Like, at all.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Then send the refutes here for why it was rejected.

Tfw the taking the master sword to the past is the exact reasoning for acausality. That's not a contradiction when other in-game statements literally state it transcends time, thus this supports the context of acausality, the master sword has shown narratively to have time based abilities too.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Also TFP1 you seem to have forgotten the Goddess sword also exist at the same time as the master sword as shown in SS. At the end of Skyward Sword, because of the time travel involved, the Goddess Sword and Master Sword exist simultaneously inside the Statue of the Goddess and the Temple of Hylia, respectively.

So there's no reason to think that the MS can't have acausality, like at at all.

Also saying people weren't exploring is a complete lie, Zunari is a relatively new resident of Windfall Island during the events of The Wind Waker. He sailed to the Great Sea from a cold, distant land in hopes to establishing a prospering business in Windfall Island.


My story is a strange one... I came across cursed seas from a land far away...a land where the blizzards blow violently...heading for this town called Windfall. ZUNARI

The game clearly states they are places far away from the main game as also shown with the goron and new Hyrule is GIGANTIC no way in hell people would have missed that only in phantom hourglass people actually found it despite most of the grand seas already been explored by a lot of people.

Windfall Island is home to the only major town on the Great Sea.

That mean all of the great seas was already explored. And in game lore states it was Link and Tetra who found the continent and calling it new hyrule and created a monarchy/government.

So yeah not head cannon after all these years no one found new hyrule come on man.

 

[Dust_Collector]

The stuff about New Hyrule is pretty much head canon unless you have any actual proof the Triforce actually spawned the continent. You can't just say the Triforce made it simply because you find it hard to believe that nobody else traveling across the world didn't find it. I'm also not seeing anything backing up information manipulation, nothing you said in favour of it actually sounds like the Triforce straight up manipulated information about old Hyrule and it's history, once again you can't just go with a radical assumption like that without statements or actual proof to back it up, nobody mentioning anything about old Hyrule in others games afterwards means jack unless you bring stuff to the table to back up your claims. The Fate Manipulation from Wind Waker has already been rejected multiple times as the kings speech was decided to be flowery language since there was a lack of concrete proof to definitely proof it's 100% Fate Manipulation, powerful abilities like that need very concrete evidence to be accepted, although you mentioned there's apparently another showing and several statements so I'd like to see those as well. Neutral on the Master Sword stuff I guess.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Idk how that's flowery when it directly states to give them a future and they suddenly could fight Ganon after losing to Ganon the entire game and getting blitzed by him. Hell, Link could barely fight his puppet form before the wish was made and suddenly he's able to distract Ganon while Zelda pelts him with light arrows.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I kinda agree that it does seem like Fate Manipulation, unfortunately the majority decided it's not clear enough to be legit. Still very curious about the 2nd showing of it and the other statements about it that Ashen mentioned, I'm not too familiar with anything that could hint at Fate Manipulation outside of Wind Wakers ending so hopefully those could help with determining the legitimacy of the ability a bit better.

 

[AshenCrow777]

I will forward the other statement later I can't seem to properly link stuff for now sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Dust_Collector]

It's no problem, take your time.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

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