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Kirito vs Shallot

Krillin and Gohan aren't able to move at all either. After a few seconds in that scene, Goku completely bypasses the ice beams and is unaffected. Shallot should be able to resist the ice via scalling.
 
That's just standard ice manipulation, being frozen in ice isn't gonna let you think. Again, Goku was able to just dash through the ice beams. And this was Goku far before he even got SSJ, so Shallot should be able to take Kirito's ice like it's nothing.
 
No, IIRC, Kirito's ice literally has the ability to put you to sleep.

Might need to consult Xmark12 on that, because I don't fully remember. It's been a while since I finished Alicization.
 
I don't think that's because of sleep manipulation, I'm pretty sure that's someone being instantly incapacitated by the fact that their entire body froze, IE, shock

That said, said clip of Goku breaking out of ice isn't nearly absolute 0 like Kirito's
 
Again, standard ice manipulation. In reality, you'd actually be killed if you were completely frozen.

How are these not comparable? What's the difference here?
 
Because being frozen normally and being frozen at near-absolute zero temperature aren't the same thing. And you aren't killed if Kirito freezes you, just incapacitated.
 
What displays a difference in this case? The ice beams are shot at Krillin and Gohan and they become completely frozen into a block of ice. What I'm saying is in reality you aren't gonna recover from being frozen in ice.
 
The fact Kirito's ice has frozen people who can fly across the cold of space without issue and they aren't able to get out of it.
 
Ionliosite said:
The fact Kirito's ice has frozen people who can fly across the cold of space without issue and they aren't able to get out of it.
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Several weaker Saiyans are literally able to fly to space as mentioned above. So what it looks like right now, Shallot bypasses Kirito's ice and one-shots.
 
Also, Shallot isn't even going to get frozen in the first place. Goku just bypassed the ice after going Kaioken, Shallot scales waaay above that.
 
Kirito FRA, I don't buy the Standard Ice Manipulation argument when there's a fundamental and very important difference in temperature. I don't see how getting stronger amps cold resistance either.
 
The argument of Kirito's ice being colder is due to affecting characters that can travel through space, however DBZ characters have already done this before and were still affected. Goku couldn't break free from the ice in his base form, he needed his Kaioken to actually break free from it. After that, he couldn't get frozen anymore. A lot of times resistances in DBZ scale from strength. Goku needed a stronger form to resist the ice. He's way stronger than Post-Saiyan Saga Kaioken Goku so ice manipulation should be no issue.
 
Kirito's ice froze an entity that was said to go to the edges of space to recover, which is why his ice is rated as near-AZ.

The goku breaking out of freezing feat isn't impressive considering it seems to take place on a planet, not a cosmic, freezing setting.

There's still a hillarious gap between the temperature of the literal edge of space and 'normal' space (much less, a planet), which still has incident radiation and heat from stars both near and far.

Also, people seem to forget that speed is equalized, and that there's absolutely nothing stopping Kirito from just... freezing again. Or using any other of his abilities, most of which are far more haxxed than Shallot.
 
Goku should be comparable to his father who can already travel through space as shown against Frieza. So we know that the coldness in space can't affect him. I mean he can survive the heat, it's just that he can't breath. Essentially they affected Goku who can already suvive space. Once Goku powered up, the ice isn't able to freeze him anymore. So no, Kirito isn't going to freeze Shallot again. He can't even affect him in the first place due to his resistance. What stops Shallot from using any of his moves to one-shot Kirito?
 
- Space near a planet is not nearly as cold as the edges of the universe.

- Goku was not incapped by the Ice, that seems to be literally a case of the ice being to strog for him to break in base at that point in time so he had to power up to break out, not cold related resistance that scales upwards.
 
Ki is not comparable at all to the magic stuff of Underworld, so I don't see Shallot copying it at all.

Also, this has already been discussed before by DontTalk. Unless it is for incredibly extensive periods of time or it is shown in verse that the freezing happens really quick, being in space won't give you resistance to Cold. So the Abyss Horrow should scale to the cold, if it is implied he spends stupid long amounts of time there. Shallot am not sure at all, but depends on context.

There's no medium for heat to efficiently leave the body, pure heat radiation is pretty damn slow and the only way for you to lose heat, and you would need to factor the heat from any sufficiently nearby stars, which would off set it even harder.
 
Actually scratch that, Goku is capable of going to the Moon. It's also stated that the only reason Goku might die in space is due to no air. So he should he comparable to Freiza who can survive space itself. Same goes for Broly and Buu who have also been able to survive very far into space.

The same ice incapped Krillin and Gohan and were just chunks of ice.
 
If I am not misremembering Abyssmal Horror getting frozen was thought impossible or something along those lines in the story due to being capable of surviving on the edges of the universe, so the cold resistance should be a thing.

Again, nowhere near as cold. Not all space is created equal. The're all still getting cosmic radiation from nearby stars.

Immobilizing is not the same as what the cold would cause... again, just durable ice not colder.
 
DatOne, literally see what I said above.

For this same thing another profile lost resistance to cold due to unclear timeframes.

And if that was direclty implied, the Horrow should be completely applicable.
 
normally I'd load shotguns with malicious intent but uh...

This ain't the main character so....
 
They've been taking lava since the freezer saga, its not really all that. I am not arguing they do not have cold resistance, they just do not have the high enough cold resistance.
 
TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
They've been taking lava since the freezer saga, its not really all that. I am not arguing they do not have cold resistance, they just do not have the high enough cold resistance.
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^This

Absolute Zero is like its own Sub Category right?
 
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