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Keys to the Kingdom Fate Manipulation

Monarch_Laciel

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In the Keys to the Kingdom series, the main character, Arthur, is supposed to die of an asthma attack. Both the Will (possessing Sneezer) - "I set the dials myself, to find someone suitably on the edge of infinity. You give him the Key, he dies, you get it back." - and Mister Monday - "You're sure this one will die straight away?" The Will/Sneezer replies - "It's him no doubt at all. Arthur Penhaligon, due to drop off the twig any minute". Then he is given the Key, and he doesn't die of the asthma attack.

Several chapters later, we get a bit more explanation. This is where the resistance to fate manipulation comes in. I'll type up the whole thing:

"Chance and circumstance", said the Will. "I will relate to you the situation. Twelve days ago, as time flows in the House, I managed to free myself from the bonds and strictures employed to imprison me on a distant star. I came to the Hose and managed by ways sneaky and deceitful to enter the mind of Sneezer, Mister Monday's butler and factotum. From within Sneezer, I enticed Monday to give away the Key to a mortal who was soon to die. He thought he could then reclaim the Key, since having given it away once he would have fulfilled the conditions of the Will and so would be safe from any retribution by the powers of Righteousness and Law. That is to say, myself and the other parts of the Will that may yet escape their durance. You know what happened then."

"But why me? And why did you want a mortal to have the Key?"

"It was mere chance that you were chosen in particular. It was written by the Architect that only a mortal can be a rightful Heir," said the Will. "I simply went through the records of those who would die on an easily accessible Monday. I wanted someone who would be mentally flexible. Young and not oversuperstituous or rigidly religious, so that ruled out a great many Mondays throughout what you call history. It had to be a Monday so Mister Monday and myself - as Sneezer, of course - would be able to enter your world"

"I was really going to die?" asked Arthur slowly. This was a new shock. "Of an asthma attack?"

"Yes," said the Will. "But when you took the Key, you changed the record."

"I don't understand"

"It's quite simple Arthur. Listen carefully. Every record in the House, whether it be on stone or metal, papyrus or paper, is intimately connected with what it records in the Secondary Realms. As whatever it records changes out there, so does the record. If you have the power, you can see what changes are to come and it is possible to intervene. But the reverse is also true. If a record is changed here, then that change will occur to the person, place, object or whatever is recorded."

So by my interpretation of all this, Arthur was fated to die - it was written on his record. But then he was given the Key by someone from the House beyond the Secondary Realms and in gaining the Key, had his fate changed. Also, Denizens of the House lack records themselves - that is, they are fateless.

Thoughts on this quote and my interpretation? Can resistance to fate manipulation be added to the KttK characters?
 
I feel like you made this, clapped your hands together and said "My job here is done." xD And then totally forgot about this thread.

I mean, probably? It seems fine to me.

Clear cut if you ask me

(I only found this thread because I planned on making Arthur vs Sora)
 
Someone distracted me with Darquesse threads, and then I started performing Darquesse upgrades and forgot about this.
 
It's mostly this part I'm worried about though

"As whatever it records changes out there, so does the record. If you have the power, you can see what changes are to come and it is possible to intervene. But the reverse is also true. If a record is changed here, then that change will occur to the person, place, object or whatever is recorded."

Don't know if this disqualifies him from fate resistance, seeing as it says he can still have his record changed, and thus him as well, by someone who finds it and has sufficient power.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
It's mostly this part I'm worried about though
"As whatever it records chages out there, so does the record. If you have the power, you can see what changes are to come and it is possible to intervene. But the reverse is also true. If a record is changed here, then that change will occur to the person, place, object or whatever is recorded."
I haven't read KtK

But I have seen people use 'records' as a metaphor for fate manipulation.

Destiny of the Endless comes to mind and he controls destiny.

I will let others decide though.
 
Cool, well, I'll make the changes to Arthur and the Denizens.

What about Suzy though? She states she still has a record that she's been looking for, and she's a Piper's Child, not a Denizen.

And what about the Nithlings and Sentinels?
 
Suzy has a record, although by EoS she shouldn't have one.

Nithlings and Sentinels... They're tricky. I guess they don't have any, the Nithlings due to the fact that they are made of basically Nothing, which is by no means living in a conventional sense, and Sentinels are automatons at best.
 
Just a thought

Would this be resistance or immunity for the Denizens?

People without souls we saying have immunity to soul manipulation. Denizens don't have records/fates, should they be immune to fate manipulation?
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Just a thought
Would this be resistance or immunity for the Denizens?

People without souls we saying have immunity to soul manipulation. Denizens don't have records/fates, should they be immune to fate manipulation?
Sounds about right.

I know only of one character who is resistant to soul manipulation who has no soul.

Zidane Tribal is the page btw.

Although idk if that is just a precarious reason or just because I forgetting something in 9.
 
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