Karel vs Ephraim (FE7 v fe8)

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Speed equalized

Ephraim

Ephraim (エフラム, Efuramu) is a playable character and a protagonist in Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. He is the crown prince of Renais and Eirika's twin brother. He is a headstrong and determined man whose skill with a Lance is unsurpassed by any other in his country. He has a semi-friendly...

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Karel (Fire Emblem)

Karel is a Sacaen swordmaster who encounters both Eliwood and Roy on their quests to liberate Elibe from the forces that try to conquer it. In his youth, he was feared as the Sword Demon, a bloodthirsty murderer who only sought out satisfying opponents to battle after slaughtering his own family...

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[JustSomeWeirdo]

I'd like to point out that Karel in FE7 saw Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector and thought they weren't worth killing and that he killed his entire clan (minus Karla, of course) all of them being incredible swordsmen in their own right, and has canonically soloed an entire army

Joshua is clearly a great swordsman and an accomplished mercenary, but I really don't think he's enough to face Karel

 

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Stomp or vote?
Maybe i should change it someone else from FE8.
Maybe Ephraim?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

If we compare Joshua to Guy (which we probably can, tbh), Karel stomps

Karel and Guy's A Support:

• Karel: Your training is over.
• Guy: Huh? Why?!
• Karel: You are strong enough. If I teach you any more than this... Then I will have to cut you down where you stand. I would cleave you in two before you could take a single breath.

Granted, speed is equalized here, so Karel wouldn't blitz Joshua like he would Guy.... I guess he has that going for him

 

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Changing it to Ephraim then.
Guy is a very trash swordsman in FE7 tho.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I can't really say that Ephraim beats Karel either, while also losing to Hector at the same time in another thread due to an AP advantage

I know it's a fallacy to say "Well A character is stronger than B character, and B character is beating C character, so C character also beats C character", but at the same time Karel considers the FE7 Lords to be fodder and Ephraim shouldn't really be any different

Karel is at least as strong as Hector while also being far more skilled as not even Lyn's swordplay (who is more skilled than Hector) isn't even enough for Karel to consider killing her. When he meets the FE7 Lords he says that none of them are a worthy challenge.

 

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Eprhaim is considerably more skilled than Joshua, so i think this might be a bit better and fair.
It might a decisive victory, but not a stomp.

And i know it might be a mechanic, but lances > swords.
And Siegmund does amp Ephraim up a bit, something the FE7 lords did not have at the time.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

We consider Siegmund to make Ephraim 6-B, so with it Ephraim wins no question.

In Ephraim's support with Duessel, he does mention that swords do fair poorly against lances, so he actually does have that advantage. Lances also generally have a longer reach than swords in general, while Ephraim should also have access to Javelins and has better mobility if promoted.

Karel still outskills, has higher AP, and has access to the Runesword though.

 

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Reginleif

Strong against cavalry, knights.In-game description Reginleif is a Lance that appears in Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones and Fire Emblem Heroes. The personal weapon of Ephraim, this lance is imbued with the unique ability of inflicting effective damage against cavalry and armored units. This...

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I am a moron, confused them.
It seems he doesn't have the amp i thought he did.

It seems Karel beats any non legendary weapon user in both Elibe and Magvel then.

 

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But since it is not impossible for Ephraim to win with a miracle and his lance ill count it as a vote.

Ephraim 0
Karel 1

 

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