Kai (Ninjago) vs March 7th (Honkai Star Rail) [0-7-0] (GRACE)

[Lloydblitzed]

Kai vs March 7th

Rules:

• Speed is equalized
• Base Kai (Pilots - Season 16) key is used for Kai
• Herta Space Station Arc to Jarilo-VI Arc is used for March 7th
• Starting distance: 10 m
• Fight takes place in a empty city
• SBA for the rest

Cocky Fire Ninja (Kai):
Ice user with OP resistances (March 7th): @Enryu_The_Red_Tower @Woomica @AigerTheKing @Lloydblitzed @TegamiBachi25 @Spinoirr @Sdjlakjh
Inconclusive:

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I remember, watching Ninjago several years ago, I watched the very first episodes on 2011 and keep up to the end of the Serpentine Arc, seeing Garmadon destroying the Great Devourer was amazing, it was certainly good times...

But getting straight to the point, what stops March from freezing Kai's entire body with a rain down of ice arrows? If he can create fire with just his thoughts of him I can see him getting out of it, but Kai's fire doesn't seem to be of much help against her, since March resists it and even if Kai's fire is much more potent than what she can withstand, she can adapt to it and as a Pathstrider, she has Passive Probability Manipulation, and with that I can't see him hitting her even once, and with her Self-Sustenance Type 3, which allows her to fight as long as she needs, I can see her outlasting Kai just by making him tired overtime

 

[Lloydblitzed]

But getting straight to the point, what stops March from freezing Kai's entire body with a rain down of ice arrows? If he can create fire with just his thoughts of him I can see him getting out of it, but Kai's fire doesn't seem to be of much help against her, since March resists it and even if Kai's fire is much more potent than what she can withstand, she can adapt to it and as a Pathstrider, she has Passive Probability Manipulation, and with that I can't see him hitting her even once, and with her Self-Sustenance Type 3, which allows her to fight as long as she needs, I can see her outlasting Kai just by making him tired overtime

He has resistance negation against Invulnerability to Fire, so he could probably counter her resistance. He can also use Spinjitzu to quickly evade the arrows and hit her. How does probability manip works?

 

[AigerTheKing]

He has resistance negation against Invulnerability to Fire, so he could probably counter her resistance.

Doesn't March 7th have 12D resistance against Fire Manip tho?

• Status Effect Inducement (12-D, possibly Ω; Which includes Burning, Freezing, Electric Shock, Sharp Winds, Quantum Entanglement & Imaginary Imprisonment)

He can also use Spinjitzu to quickly evade the arrows and hit her. How does probability manip works?

Tbh March would get one shot if hit by Spinjitzu

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Doesn't March 7th have 12D resistance against Fire Manip tho?

Eh true

Tbh March would get one shot if hit by Spinjitzu

Ye, Spinjitzu is also a blitz level amp as well as a vast AP amp

 

[AigerTheKing]

Ye, Spinjitzu is also a blitz level amp as well as a vast AP amp

Do we have a specific number for the AP amp?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Do we have a specific number for the AP amp?

No, but its implied to be a big increase in power

 

[AigerTheKing]

Do we have a specific number for the AP amp?

Ye I don't see what March will do against that

 

[Woomica]

No, but its implied to be a big increase in power

Not enough evidence of being strong enough to beat march,if it got some statements like 5 times stronger then maybe since its a huge ap AMP but i dont see that here.
Plus she also has a shield for herself so its not that big deal

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Not enough evidence of being strong enough to beat march,if it got some statements like 5 times stronger then maybe since its a huge ap AMP but i dont see that here.
Plus she also has a shield for herself so its not that big deal

Still would put Kai above the baseline of 4-C (where they both scales), so the shield won't be too useful

 

[Woomica]

Still would put Kai above the baseline of 4-C (where they both scales), so the shield won't be too useful

She actually has a feat of surviving attack from Cocolia whos also above baseline 4-C when using Engine of Creation. I think she has a chance

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Not enough evidence of being strong enough to beat march,if it got some statements like 5 times stronger then maybe since its a huge ap AMP but i dont see that here.

Also, Spinjitzu has shown to be a one shot level technique

 

[Woomica]

Also, Spinjitzu has shown to be a one shot level technique

Thats not how it works , i mean it does make a character stronger yes i agree,but they are one shotting serpents they are known to be victimized by ninjas on a daily basis,youd need better example of this.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Thats not how it works , i mean it does make a character stronger yes i agree,but they are one shotting serpents they are known to be victimized by ninjas on a daily basis,youd need better example of this.

Well here we see Base Zane matching with a duplicate of himself in Base, and then he instanly one tap him when using Spinjitzu

 

[Woomica]

Well here we see Base Zane matching with a duplicate of himself in Base, and then he instanly one tap him when using Spinjitzu

Thats a better example,still do we know if they are exactly as strong as their base? That fight was mostly throwing hands iirc,plus do we see them one shot way stronger enemies with spinjutsu,otherwise its dependant on how strong enemy is than the former

 

[AigerTheKing]

Thats a better example,still do we know if they are exactly as strong as their base?

If I recall right, Garmadon wished to create exact copies of the Ninjas, so they should be comparable in power

 

[Woomica]

If I recall right, Garmadon wished to create exact copies of the Ninjas, so they should be comparable in power

Well are at least those they fought created by garmadon the way he wished or not? If yes id have to think deep abt this matchup

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That fight was mostly throwing hands iirc,plus do we see them one shot way stronger enemies with spinjutsu,otherwise its dependant on how strong enemy is than the former

Zane did the same against Nindroids, who were beating him earlier, and are implied many times to be above him

 

[Woomica]

Zane did the same against Nindroids, who were beating him earlier, and are implied many times to be above him

Okay so as far as i can see,you proved that spinjutsu makes you way stronger,already good point,but i dont know if this applies to versus threads,since it explicitly says that the AP gap has to be 8x bigger,and in shows you dont necessarily have to be 8x stronger to one shot someone,otherwise you could put statistic value on the said technique or something similar to that,but this alone gives advantage to kai.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Well are at least those they fought created by garmadon the way he wished or not? If yes id have to think deep abt this matchup

I think so, they could even use Spinjitzu

 

[Woomica]

I think so, they could even use Spinjitzu

You dont need to be exact copy in order to use something original you can do,if you were exact you could one shot original one,if they have done that then cool if not they might be comparable but not as strong as they should have been,but the case that spinjutsu is strong af is already clear

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You dont need to be exact copy in order to use something original you can do,if you were exact you could one shot original one,if they have done that then cool if not they might be comparable but not as strong as they should have been,but the case that spinjutsu is strong af is already clear

Agreed

I think so, they could even use Spinjitzu

Does March 7th have anything to help her out besides her self subtenance and Danmaku?

 

[Woomica]

Agreed



Does March 7th have anything to help her out besides her self subtenance and Danmaku?

Shield,being able to freeze enemies,Op self sustenance,superhuman stamina,Resistance to burning effects so ig kai cant abuse frying her alive,and also healing? She has that on her profile,and that dura feat of surviving above baseline 4-C attack

 

[Woomica]

I can leave march win cons on @Enryu_The_Red_Tower i think they can explain her abilities better than ms

 

[Lloydblitzed]

superhuman stamina

Kai should have this as well due to keeping up with others Ninjas like Zane who have Infinite stamina

,Resistance to burning effects so ig kai cant abuse frying her alive,and also healing?

Kai has resistance negation over that but since her resistance is 12D idk if it can affect her

She has that on her profile,and that dura feat of surviving above baseline 4-C attack

Kai's Dura should also be above the baseline of 4-C via this feat

Tanked a big blow from Lloyd, Jay and his own powers combined

 

[Woomica]

Kai should have this as well due to keeping up with others Ninjas like Zane who have Infinite stamina

How long did he keep up with him? If its more than days like march can sure keeping up with someone with inf stamina isnt enough,cause you either need to fight infinetly long or have some way of having inf stamina.

Kai has resistance negation over that but since her resistance is 12D idk if it can affect her

If he has 12D range yes,if not rip

Kai's Dura should also be above the baseline of 4-C via this feat

Oh now this is interesting

 

[AigerTheKing]

Can't March just heal from injuries via her shield?

 

[Woomica]

Can't March just heal from injuries via her shield?

Yes she has that on her profile listed

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How long did he keep up with him? If its more than days like march can sure keeping up with someone with inf stamina isnt enough,cause you either need to fight infinetly long or have some way of having inf stamina.

Oh, well Kai was able to survive on a desert for weeks without eating or drinking and just walking non stop

 

[Woomica]

Oh, well Kai was able to survive on a desert for weeks without eating or drinking and just walking non stop

YOU!!!you could have listed this on his profile ,anyway idk if it counts since you didnt justify this on his profile,if it does we have a freaking same ap,same dura,self sustenance,insane stamina,and ways to get over each others abilities...wow...

 

[Lloydblitzed]

YOU!!!you could have listed this on his profile ,anyway idk if it counts since you didnt justify this on his profile

Ye I should've done that

if it does we have a freaking same ap,same dura,self sustenance,insane stamina,and ways to get over each others abilities...wow...

Are we reaching Incon then? Well now that I think of it, Spinjitzu is also a speed amp

 

[Woomica]

Ye I should've done that


Are we reaching Incon then? Well now that I think of it, Spinjitzu is also a speed amp

How big of an amp?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How big of an amp?

Big enough to make slower opponent appear as if they move in slow mo

 

[Lloydblitzed]

• Statistics Amplification: Spinjitzu allow the user to deliver devastating blows as well as increasing strength and momentum. It also increase the user's Attack Speed, as shown with Lloyd who views the Nindroids as slow when using Spinjitzu and with Jay, who percieved the Skulkins at a slower pace, seemingly blitzing them.

 

[Woomica]

Big enough to make slower opponent appear as if they move in slow mo

Thats unquantifiable now is it? Unless you have a value i dont know if it works...maybe? Tbh ninjago profiles are kinda outdated so i kinda have a hard time understand stuff.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I will vote for March 7, she can create forcefields that increases her durability that also heals her, along the fact that she can outlast Kai in a fight due to the Self-Sustenance Type 3 that the Trailblaze Path grants to her, allowing her to battle as long as she wants and needs without worrying in being tired, albeit she has to make up for it by resting for an equivalent period of time later

 

[Woomica]

Ok for some reason i cant quote what you sent,again like one shotting speedblitzing requires that opponent is like 7x faster dont remember much it doesnt say on the speed blitz page

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I will vote for March 7, she can create forcefields that increases her durability that also heals her, along the fact that she can outlast Kai in a fight due to the Self-Sustenance Type 3 that the Trailblaze Path grants to her, allowing her to battle as long as she wants and needs without worrying in being tired, albeit she has to make up for it by resting for an equivalent period of time later

What will she do if Kai just breaks off the shield via Spinjitzu?

Thats unquantifiable now is it? Unless you have a value i dont know if it works...maybe? Tbh ninjago profiles are kinda outdated so i kinda have a hard time understand stuff.

No value unfortunalty

 

[Woomica]

What will she do if Kai just breaks off the shield via Spinjitzu?

Probably eat the attack with minimal damage but he probably has to get trough her range first and then hit her with spinjutsu

No value unfortunalty

Then im afraid its unusable,or just slightly advantage in speed im not sure
Anyway i will give my vote here since i dont have time to debate rn
Ill be voting march for the same reasons enryu said since kai doenst have a proper superhuman stamina justifications therefore she has a big advantage in those factors,plus dura above baseline 4-C,shield+freezing and resistances to burning effects from kai fire makes it even harder

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Probably eat the attack with minimal damage but he probably has to get trough her range first and then hit her with spinjutsu

Then im afraid its unusable,or just slightly advantage in speed im not sure
Anyway i will give my vote here since i dont have time to debate rn
Ill be voting march for the same reasons enryu said since kai doenst have a proper superhuman stamina justifications therefore she has a big advantage in those factors,plus dura above baseline 4-C,shield+freezing and resistances to burning effects from kai fire makes it even harder

Aight, counted