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Kaguya new key + Naruto Massive Upgrades

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Kaguya should have "prime kaguya" key as she previously created and had all chakra,thus she should scale to ETSB since it's ap is based on absorbing the chakra of humans on earth "which belonged to her"

Hagoromu/Hamura will scale,thus naruto/sasuke will all scale till the rest of god tiers
 
That thread isn't exactly all the way finished

Also ESTB is her strongest attack she doesn't scale to that anyway even with a lot of chakra she is just unquantifiable.

She only gets a new ESTB rating
 
Kaguya needs that Star Level upgrade. Ichigo punk a** literally did nothing close to Large Planet Level but got upgraded to it due to fighting Ywach with Almighty, even though orihime could block and react to Ywach attacks. Naruto verse actually has better DC feats than bleach verse. But y'all scale every god tier to Large Planet Level cus Ywach was gonna merge all 3 realms. If that's the case Kaguya should've been Star Level for going to destroy all 6 of her worlds with moons, and a Sun Star, that's clearly a real star since it produces heat and sunlight in the desert dimension Sasuke was in. Bleach should not be a stronger verse than Naruto verse, only Hax wise.
 
Think that star calc of Kaguya is actually large star and increases and scaling would put Momoshiki for example at low solar system level, whether it's accepted is another story, Naruto does need speed upgrades as well to (same with Bleach to honestly)
 
AstralKing7 said:
Bro bleach has nothing to do with this threqd
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It is because Bleach is Naruto rival anime wise n had always been. If you give Bleach a massive upgrade of course Naruto fans are gonna look at vsbattle as trash. You guys use novel feats for bleach and almighty ywach going to merge realms feat but completely disregard Naruto novels of Momoshiki effecting a star to die out, and ignore Kaguya about to wipe out a small solar system she created lol. Biased asf.

Naruto attack https://images.app.goo.gl/3fWRDpjDo66aKaiMA

Ichigo attack of "large planet level" 😂😂 https://images.app.goo.gl/iZC7LxWzwkPqXGZq6

Super biased to one series and not the other. If Kaguya or any of Naruto god tiers aren't upgraded I lose faith in this bleachsite.
 
Um no no it's not lmao

Anime wise bleach doesn't even have an anime nor a manga.

If anything OP and Naruto were officially rivals with their mangakas lmao

The novels for Boruto are vague asf. We don't know how that star started dying but the fact that it wasn't destroyed means we really can't use it anyway.

Stay off Twitter man I feel like this is where your getting all of This BS lmao.

Also the current rating for top tier in bleach is about to change anyway so jsut chill. Naruto fans aren't even in competition with the bleach on this site
 
It's being discussed now but at first it was proposed High 4C for destruction but now it maybe 4B I think for creation if we all agree it's not an outlier which it shouldn't be
 
What is the name of the thread or could you link it please, I just don't wanna get lost in the hole of threads (probably looked at the right one, was about SK profile)
 
Having spent alot of time on CV, VSBW and SB they all have good and they all have cancerous shit (Some just more than others).
 
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thus she should scale to ETSB since it's ap is based on absorbing the chakra of humans on earth "which belonged to her"
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She didn't absorb all the charka on Earth only those of the Shinobi in the God Tree which isn't even 50% of the 9 Tails as Naruto amped them 3x over prior to this, the only reason she needed the amp was because she was fatigued from constantly dimension hopping which Obito confirms and further reiterated with Sasuke in Boruto.
 
Kaguya doesn't scale to her ETSB at all. The ETSB is what allows her to destroy and recreate the dimensions, not really her own base power. I really hope we don't have to get into this any more than that but this is all I will say on the subject.
 
She is the one who created the ETSB, It is stated here that Kaguya is the one who produced the orb itself, and seeing as she did this with her own chakra this would scale to her. The whole she absorbed the chakra of the shinobi alliance thing is already debunked by the fact that even the shinobi alliance in it's entirety is smaller the 50% of the 9 tails and the fact that she hadn't actually started absorbing any of their chakra yet. She was also fatigued from dimension hopping so once again, why does the ETSB not scale to Kaguya?
 
Jvando said:
Kaguya doesn't scale to her ETSB at all. The ETSB is what allows her to destroy and recreate the dimensions, not really her own base power. I really hope we don't have to get into this any more than that but this is all I will say on the subject.
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How does Kaguya not scale to her ETSO its literally her dense chakra being used for it, this is like saying Onoki doesn't scale to Dust Release literally makes no sense.
 
someone please explain why Onoki would scale to dust release??? Because he doesn't that attack is hax not AP so bad example


ESTB is her strongest attack and the only attack that has this potential and the only jutsu that she can use to put so much chakra into it

Also if u guys wanna compare this to other abilities then why doesn't Naruto during Kakuzu arc scale to his FRS?? If he really did he wouldn't have even needed the jutsu since he could just use a regular Rasengan.

Also Kaguya absorbed chakra from around the whole planet not just from the Shinobi alliance which people are confused for. The roots spread all around the world man not just to the Shinobi alliance
 
AstralKing7 said:
someone please explain why Onoki would scale to dust release??? Because he doesn't that attack is hax not AP so bad example
ESTB is her strongest attack and the only attack that has this potential and the only jutsu that she can use to put so much chakra into it

Also if u guys wanna compare this to other abilities then why doesn't Naruto during Kakuzu arc scale to his FRS?? If he really did he wouldn't have even needed the jutsu since he could just use a regular Rasengan.

Also Kaguya absorbed chakra from around the whole planet not just from the Shinobi alliance which people are confused for. The roots spread all around the world man not just to the Shinobi alliance
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1) He scales to Dust Release cause its his technique, his chakra being used for it therefore its his AP, just cause its hax doesn't change that.

2) All im hearing is that it scales to her besides ETSO is different from Dust Release in the fact its literally her dense chakra being used for it so theres a clear difference.

3) He should scale to his FRS its his technique, his chakra, doesn't change the fact FRS is stronger than a Rasengan, its like saying why didn't Goku just use Dragon Fist instead of Kamehameha makes no sense.

No Jutsu in Naruto scales to the user comfirmed.

4) Your completely mis-informed the series makes a point to state she only absorbed the chakra of the Shinobi Alliance, just cause the roots spread across the world doesn't mean she absorbed all their chakra.
 
This like Thor and his God blast.

Thor doesn't scale to his strongest attack (which is 4-A and he is 4-B. This is stronger than his base by A LOT) because that's basically what it is. A full power attack that uses all of his energy.

Would you scale Goku to his spirit bomb?

The principal is the same.

You can't scale someone's full power Maximum+++ attack to their base damage output especially when the scales of them both are so largely different.
 
It makes more sense that she absorbed all of the world's chakra since your logic that Naruto having more chakra than what Kaguya absorbed makes sense. Do u not see this??

Scaling to your jutsu physically depends greatly on your chakra control which u seem not to understand and this needs to be proven man

The chakr Kaguya absorbed went all to the ESTB

U literally don't understand the point hat is being made since u ignored it lol. If Naruto could get the same AP from FRS why didn't he just kill Kakuzu with a Rasengan then??? Your literally ignoring the fact that characters have attacks that scale above their normal AP. That's the whole point of ultimate moves and secret weapons. It's the whole point Sasuke doesn't scale to Kirin.

The reason why Sasukes regular attacks can't pierce Gaara sand but Chidori can.

Please stop with your logic
 
Jvando said:
This like Thor and his God blast.
Thor doesn't scale to his strongest attack (which is 4-A and he is 4-B. This is stronger than his base by A LOT) because that's basically what it is. A full power attack that uses all of his energy.

Would you scale Goku to his spirit bomb?

The principal is the same.

You can't scale someone's full power Maximum+++ attack to their base damage output especially when the scales of them both are so largely different.
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Forgive me if i'm wrong but i thought the God Blast was more to do with Moljnir and not Thor himself? I'm not that familar with marvel.

It's not even all of Kaguya's power she was fatigued and only needed a tiny miniscule amp and was still going to pull it off.

Goku's spirit bomb isn't even fully his attack he absorbs things from his surroundings to use it.

It's her chakra her attack her Attack Potency it's like saying Naruto doesn't scale to Rasengan or Sasuke doesn't scale to Chidori.
 
AstralKing7 said:
It makes more sense that she absorbed all of the world's chakra since your logic that Naruto having more chakra than what Kaguya absorbed makes sense. Do u not see this??
Scaling to your jutsu physically depends greatly on your chakra control which u seem not to understand and this needs to be proven man

The chakr Kaguya absorbed went all to the ESTB

U literally don't understand the point hat is being made since u ignored it lol. If Naruto could get the same AP from FRS why didn't he just kill Kakuzu with a Rasengan then??? Your literally ignoring the fact that characters have attacks that scale above their normal AP. That's the whole point of ultimate moves and secret weapons. It's the whole point Sasuke doesn't scale to Kirin.

The reason why Sasukes regular attacks can't pierce Gaara sand but Chidori can.

Please stop with your logic
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Kaguya was fatigued from dimension hopping (the reason she needed the amp) and only absorbed chakra from the Shinobi Alliance the notion she absorbed chakra from the entire world is not backed up by anything, so yes it makes sense to me.

The fact Kaguya could have made the attack without any outside assitance at 100% somehow means it doesn't scale to her lol.

And she absorbed barely anything at all.

You do realize a FRS takes more chakra than a normal Rasenagan right and thats 1 of the reasons its AP is higher, yea and those attacks are above their normal AP cause they take more chakra, add nature transformation etc. doesn't mean the jutsu doesn't scale to them its asinine at best to claim that.

Sasuke doesn't scale to Kirin because he needs outside help/ prep to make it this isn't the same for ETSO, Kaguya only needed said chakra cause she was fatigued she could have done it on her own if she opened up with it.

The reason Sasuke regular attacks couldn't pierce Gaara's sand is cause they used less chakra than a Chidori this is literally mentioned when Kakashi said he had something like a 4 Chidori limit or whatever.
 
AstralKing7 said:
Man U do realize Kaguya is absorbing chakra from around just like Goku right???
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God i already debunked u on this lmao

The Shinobi Alliance isn't even 50% of the 9 Tails literally 3x below it and Kaguya was fatigued by the time she tried ETSO meaning at 100% she'd be able to do it herself I.E. She didn't absorb chakra from the entire world and she can do it herself if she wants.
 
Please prove she could make it without any assistance

Please provide the difference between absorbing chakra from an outside source is different from Goku absorbing ki from an outside source

U are still missing the damn point.

The fact that FRS and and Rasengan can both have nature transformation is making u look so Un knowledgeable. Also chakra nature doesn't make your AP higher that is never stated. Naruto puts the same amount of chakra in any jutsu that he does in the next because of his chakra control.
 
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