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Julius vs Mori • (0-1-2)

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There is no reason to vote inconclusive. Julius can’t negate Mori’s regeneration and has no survivability against his opponents attacks. So could somebody explain what his statistic reduction actually does and what the power null nullifies because either that works and Mori instantly loses or it doesn’t and Julius has no options due to high godly (he negates the wrong type)
 
Actually reading the justification for the ability why is that even counted as passive and why is it assumed to work on anything not from chaos or even anything other than particularly Dracula. Like it only did its thing when it was sealed with the castle (implying that was mandatory for it to even do what it did) which is Dracula, and only did so to Dracula. When does it power nullify anything else in the series. Plus is it even the two powers listed it says it ripped out Dracula’s soul and says nothing else in any of the scans. If there is obvious evidence to the contrary why is literally non of it written or referenced by the ability page. Last I checked magic is linked to the soul in castlevania so of course it would go with his soul when it’s stolen, but ignoring that, it means vampire killer nullifies magic which Mori doesn’t use. And weakens you though the lose of magic, which Mori doesn’t have.
 
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You can only bump after 8-12 hours of inactivity, this was after 3. Just giving you a heads up because you could get a warning from staff if you keep spamming a thread
He was warned before by Agnaa for this. Hopefully he doesn't check on this as Agnaa mentioned he will thread ban him if done again
 
@Keeweed Magic is universal with Castlevania, also saying it won’t work on Mori because he doesn’t use magic is the same logic as saying Naruto characters can’t use their jutsus on any other character because they don’t use chakra. Verse equalization just says no to that and all of their abilities are taken accounted for. As for not having an answer to high godly, he can just seal Mori away. I don’t see sealing resistance on his page so that’s a win condition for Julius.
 
@Keeweed Magic is universal with Castlevania, also saying it won’t work on Mori because he doesn’t use magic is the same logic as saying Naruto characters can’t use their jutsus on any other character because they don’t use chakra. Verse equalization just says no to that and all of their abilities are taken accounted for.
I think he means the ability specifically works on some not that it wouldn't work because it's magic. Not sure tho
As for not having an answer to high godly, he can just seal Mori away. I don’t see sealing resistance on his page so that’s a win condition for Julius.
Is that also layered? Because if not Mori has
(you probably didn't see it because it's in his pre-timeskip profile)
Also, what's the sealing range and mechanism?
 
@DavidTPPM Dracula’s magic in general can do just about anything so it’s not limited to specific abilities. The sealing’s range is essentially an entire dimension in scope as it can seal away Castlevania itself, and Dracula normally can shrug off sealing abilities from Shanoa given none of her glyphs did anything to him

@Jaynic1 I see info hax type 2 as something Mori could do but idk how in character it is for him to use it.
 
@DavidTPPM Dracula’s magic in general can do just about anything so it’s not limited to specific abilities. The sealing’s range is essentially an entire dimension in scope as it can seal away Castlevania itself, and Dracula normally can shrug off sealing abilities from Shanoa given none of her glyphs did anything to him
How big is the dimension? Mori is bigger than the cosmology (which is currently 10 universes big and would be much bigger if my CRT didn't get ghosted lmao).

And should I take it as the sealing being layered? I'm not sure I understand.
@Jaynic1 I see info hax type 2 as something Mori could do but idk how in character it is for him to use it.
It's definitely on the table. Mori is insanely intelligent when it comes to analyzing his opponents and how to counter them so if Julius resists every simpler win con Mori would definitely go with that
 
@DavidTPPM Dracula’s magic in general can do just about anything so it’s not limited to specific abilities. The sealing’s range is essentially an entire dimension in scope as it can seal away Castlevania itself, and Dracula normally can shrug off sealing abilities from Shanoa given none of her glyphs did anything to him

@Jaynic1 I see info hax type 2 as something Mori could do but idk how in character it is for him to use it.
It wouldnt be his first attack but if he sees nothing works he'd try it.
 
Looking at the Belmont resistances I also don't see reality warping resistance which would be Moris opening move in this key.
Also is his power mimicry one of the 720 layered resistances? If not then Mori could also steal Julius' abilities which he himself doesn't resist (like the aforementioned sealing) and seal Julius himself.
 
And Mori being completely cut off from and impossible to reach for anyone who didn't achieve Nirvana seems to be like that. Although my understanding of the ability is really weak
I find it funny how this was completely glossed over, when it renders Mori as unable to even fight Julius lol
 
@DavidTPPM 2-C in scope is the dimension (ranges from baseline to potentially much higher but that’s kind of the just). The sealing is layered yeah since Julius can affect Dracula’s own magic which is unfazed by Shanoa’s sealing abilities. Power mimicry is one of the abilities Dracula’s magic has so that’s not going to work. Also reality warping isn’t going to be anything new to Julius when Dracula does this all the time and he beats him.
 
@DavidTPPM 2-C in scope is the dimension (ranges from baseline to potentially much higher but that’s kind of the just).
Yeah I meant like how many universes.
The sealing is layered yeah since Julius can affect Dracula’s own magic which is unfazed by Shanoa’s sealing abilities.
Is it like, one of the 700+ layer ones? If not and it's just 1 layer then technically Mori could have a chance since he could break Mt Oheng, something that sealed him in the past (miracle Mori > Mt Oheng > past Mori > balgeas sealing). But it's not accepted in his profile yet so even then it's up to you whether you want to take it into consideration.
Power mimicry is one of the abilities Dracula’s magic has so that’s not going to work.
Aaaand all magic is just covered in 720 layers so it's buns then I assume.
Also reality warping isn’t going to be anything new to Julius when Dracula does this all the time and he beats him.
Okay but how? He doesn't seem to resist it so how will he defend?
 
Also is his power mimicry one of the 720 layered resistances?
yes

Okay but how? He doesn't seem to resist it so how will he defend?
Reality warping is nothing important on its own, it's just another type of power that explains other powers.

Like magic, Chi, etc.

It would be like making someone with resistance to EE not resist an EE made by magic because the character doesn't resist magic specifically. Belmonts constantly face guys who manipulate reality by existing so it's not relevant.
 
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Reality warping is nothing important on its own, it's just another type of power that explains other powers.

Like magic, Chi, etc.

It would be like making someone with resistance to EE not resist an EE made by magic because the character doesn't resist magic specifically. Belmonts constantly face guys who manipulate reality by existing so it's not relevant.
What? I definitely don't think you can just handwave reality warping as something but relevant lmao.

For example resisting paralysis caused by electricity manipulation doesn't grant you resistance to paralysis caused by poison, fear, or mind manipulation.
 
What? I definitely don't think you can just handwave reality warping as something but relevant lmao.

For example resisting paralysis caused by electricity manipulation doesn't grant you resistance to paralysis caused by poison, fear, or mind manipulation.
If the character resists paralysis, he resists the part of the power that resists paralysis.

I don't see how this is any different from me saying that x character doesn't resist magical/magically-induced paralysis because the character doesn't resist magic.
 
If the character resists paralysis, he resists the part of the power that resists paralysis.
It's extremely case specific but that's besides my point. My point is that the origin of the effect can be just as important as the effect itself.

Hence why, like my example said, resisting paralysis caused by electricity does not inherently grant resistance to paralysis caused by something like fear manipulation.
I don't see how this is any different from me saying that x character doesn't resist magical/magically-induced paralysis because the character doesn't resist magic.
Again this is extremely context specific as it depends on how exactly the magic achieves said paralysis. If it's a completely unexplained mystical paralysis then character y resisting paralysis caused by pressure points has no reason to prove they also resist that magic based paralysis.
 
It's extremely case specific but that's besides my point. My point is that the origin of the effect can be just as important as the effect itself.

Hence why, like my example said, resisting paralysis caused by electricity does not inherently grant resistance to paralysis caused by something like fear manipulation.
It is only important if it affects a deeper aspect of the individual, like a paralysis of the soul.

Again this is extremely context specific as it depends on how exactly the magic achieves said paralysis. If it's a completely unexplained mystical paralysis then character y resisting paralysis caused by pressure points has no reason to prove they also resist that magic based paralysis.
It is not like that. There are many verses that say magic is purely something magical and even then the question of resistance to magic does not even come into play.

Just as it is not necessary to resist the magic of a fire made 100% of magic if the character has resistance to fire of the same temperature.
 
It is only important if it affects a deeper aspect of the individual, like a paralysis of the soul.
No. Just because one can resist the effect of electricity causing involuntary contractions of muscles doesn't mean you can resist paralysis caused by overwhelming fear which makes your instincts stop you from moving, because they're caused by 2 completely different things.

The end result may be similar/same (the lack of ability to move) but the method in which it's achieved is vastly different.
It is not like that. There are many verses that say magic is purely something magical and even then the question of resistance to magic does not even come into play.
Yeah because magic is usually essentially just an umbrella term for supernatural stuff. Basically every supernatural ability in some way fits the definition of magic.

Point is that resisting the hallucinogenic effects of LSD doesn't mean you can resist the hallucinations caused by Sasuke putting chakra into your brain and controlling it. But resisting some other magical energy doing something similar might.
Just as it is not necessary to resist the magic of a fire made 100% of magic if the character has resistance to fire of the same temperature.
Yeah because you're resisting the heat of the fire. It doesn't matter whether the fire is made out of spiritual particles, magic, or straight up a concept. As long as the heat it's transferring onto its target is below their resistance to extreme heat it's simply not burning them.

But if I'm trying to burn you with reality manipulation instead it doesn't matter because I can just shape the reality into you being burned without actually transferring any heat onto you. Or you could resist electricity causing involuntary muscle contractions but reality warping could just rewrite your muscles into being contracted without actually sending any electric signals into them.

So just because one resists a certain type of ability doesn't mean the same results can't be achieved via other means, such as in this case reality warping.
 
@DavidTPPM 2 Universes to potentially much more, again the cap isn't exactly specified cause there's some other pocket dimensions in the series but if you want confirmed numbers it's essentially 2.

It's like 1 to 5-ish is kind of the max cap of layered hax for sealing. It's mostly from upscaling from the magic seals Soma uses which caps at around 5-ish where Death is unfazed by anything lower than that and Dracula just by default upscales from Death and Julius even mentions things like magic seals is unnecessary for a belmont like him.

Literally what about Reality Warping can Mori even do with it? Because whatever kinds of reality warping powers you can list off, every Belmont under the sun has dealt with this given Dracula constantly does this in virtually any and all fights he's a part of. He has experience with people who's used this ability and has beaten them so just saying Mori can use reality warping is a meaningless statement in of itself.
 
@DavidTPPM 2 Universes to potentially much more, again the cap isn't exactly specified cause there's some other pocket dimensions in the series but if you want confirmed numbers it's essentially 2.
Well if it's less than 10 then he doesn't have the range to actually seal him even assuming that ND won't just immunize Mori.
It's like 1 to 5-ish is kind of the max cap of layered hax for sealing. It's mostly from upscaling from the magic seals Soma uses which caps at around 5-ish where Death is unfazed by anything lower than that and Dracula just by default upscales from Death and Julius even mentions things like magic seals is unnecessary for a belmont like him.
Well if it's 1 then Mori resists, if it's any more then it doesn't matter if it's 5 or 700.
How does it work? It's possible you mentioned it and I missed it but if he just breaths in Moris direction with 5 layers of sealing then it's GGs, but if it's dodgeable then Mori definitely has a shot against it
Literally what about Reality Warping can Mori even do with it? Because whatever kinds of reality warping powers you can list off, every Belmont under the sun has dealt with this given Dracula constantly does this in virtually any and all fights he's a part of. He has experience with people who's used this ability and has beaten them so just saying Mori can use reality warping is a meaningless statement in of itself.
Mori's reality warping can as much as completely disintegrate people with a simple word. So unless Julius can resist reality warping he's losing pretty quick.

Also saying he has experience doesn't exactly tell me much about how he'd actually counter it since reality warping can vary a lot. Countering RW of someone like DIO OH who has to touch you with his fists would be much easier than countering someone who can turn you into a baby by thinking about it
 
He essentially beats you down and can just seal away your existence. That's kind of the jist so he doesn't breath on you and seals it involves it being mostly a finisher move than anything.

So he's just using deconstruction then? That's just something Julius can resist so that won't really mean much. Also turning someone into a baby isn't exactly news to a belmont when transmutation magic and age manipulation is another aspect of Dracula's magic that he can resist.
 
He essentially beats you down and can just seal away your existence. That's kind of the jist so he doesn't breath on you and seals it involves it being mostly a finisher move than anything.
Okay does he have anything else to achieve that tho? Because judging by his profile he's getting skillstomped to hell and back so he's not touching Mori to beat him down.
So he's just using deconstruction then?
No decon/EE are just results of the reality warping.
That's just something Julius can resist so that won't really mean much.
No not according to his profile. His profile only gives him resistance to getting dissolved, that is in no way a resistance to getting reality warped away.

Like I mentioned in my previous examples that'd be like saying since X can resist the paralyzing effects of electricity they can magically also resist the paralyzing effects of fear manipulation or pressure points despite them achieving the result completely differently
Also turning someone into a baby isn't exactly news to a belmont when transmutation magic and age manipulation is another aspect of Dracula's magic that he can resist.
Saying it's not news to him doesn't exactly tell me anything, could you please be a bit more specific? Because if Dracula can manipulate the biological composition of a body and transmute you like that then resisting it won't protect Julius from having the reality itself be reshaped
 
Also another question (I assumed the answer is yes since you'd probably say if they weren't), are Julius' resistance 4D? Because I don't see anything saying they are nor do I see HDE on his profile

I also don't see any acausality what stops Mori from just naynaying on him as a fetus or something like that?
 
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Julius is skilled enough to fight numerous different creatures of chaos with different kinds of abilities, hell a good chunk of the Belmonts have already experienced fighting Dopplegangers of themselves and came out on top so it’s not as unskilled as you might think.

You got any scans his reality warping specifically is what’s causing the deconstruction? Because I don’t see that on his page. You keep saying he can do that with reality warping but the only scan I see with reality warping is he undoes some destruction and recreates the universe.

Literally every Castlevania resistance worth a damn is 4-D, the fact he resists Dracula’s magic is enough for it to be 4-D when Dracula’s magic is that potent enough. Trying to attack him as a baby won’t really help someone who comes from a bloodline where attacking their ancestors literally did nothing to the bloodline so uhh, yeah not exactly something Julius is worried about.
 
Julius is skilled enough to fight numerous different creatures of chaos with different kinds of abilities, hell a good chunk of the Belmonts have already experienced fighting Dopplegangers of themselves and came out on top so it’s not as unskilled as you might think.
It's not that he's unskilled, that's definitely not what I'm saying. It's that Mori is an insane skill demon.
Even his most basic kick has reached such a level of perfection (literally described as the apex of a technique) that it takes people with instantaneous power mimicry 3 million attempts to reproduce and even then it's not perfect as it leaves them worn out. And his entire moveset is as complex if not more. His mastery over his body allows him to passively draw out it's full potential as if he was using a 250,000x multiplier limit removal technique.

His analytical prediction is on a level that's compared to mind reading even against people that he can't even see and I could genuinely write a book on how insane it is because even from the first arc GoH characters have predictions so good they can read the entire flow of a fight (down to specific abilities and number of people) just by looking at the destroyed battlefield despite having 0 knowledge on what happened.

And by his miracle key he achieves what's essentially an ultra instinct on drugs where his body automatically responds to attacks in his range without the need for conscious thought, dodging and counterattacking in the most optimal way.

So it's not that Julius is not skilled it's that Mori is just busted.
You got any scans his reality warping specifically is what’s causing the deconstruction?
Yeah. It's said twice that it's done via karma. And karma is what gives Mori control over all things
Because I don’t see that on his page. You keep saying he can do that with reality warping but the only scan I see with reality warping is he undoes some destruction and recreates the universe.
Yeah it's a bit wack because Webtoon is filled with mistranslation that tend to heavily undersell what's happening. The issue here was that webtoon translated samra-mansang as "nature" when it means "all of creation and all things", so it looked like Mori is restricted to planets and trees and whatnot.

Even the "defy the order of things" that's mentioned in the profile kinda undersells it as the raws say he "far transcends the fundamental truths of the world".
Literally every Castlevania resistance worth a damn is 4-D, the fact he resists Dracula’s magic is enough for it to be 4-D when Dracula’s magic is that potent enough.
Yeah I thought so. It's just that nowadays characters almost always tend to have stuff like that listed so it's always better to ask.
Trying to attack him as a baby won’t really help someone who comes from a bloodline where attacking their ancestors literally did nothing to the bloodline so uhh, yeah not exactly something Julius is worried about.
Uhhh that's pretty vague. Like how exactly does Julius survive not being born or getting killed in the past if he doesn't have the necessary acausality? Like if Mori just gives his father a condom or something like that lmao
 
So he can analyze and understand the flow of battle. Thats pretty good and all but given Julius fought Dracula and won, and the same Dracula can essentially learn the combat powers and experience of any creature of chaos with some of the monsters having unparalleled martial arts and other skilled weaponry thanks to his power of dominance, I think Julius can at the very least keep up from experience alone. He probably won’t match his skill but I don’t think it’ll be as onesided.

So it’s basically no different than with Dracula’s magic being able to deconstruct. I still don’t really see this being something that would work on Julius when Dracula’s magic in general warps the fabric of reality and can do a wide variety of stuff, with deconstruction being one of them.

Simon Belmont fought his Ancestor Trevor Belmont and interacted with him during the events of Judgment and he didn’t suffer any form of Marty Mcfly paradox from doing so. Julius is from the same descendant of Belmonts so he wouldn’t really be affected by something like this.
 
So he can analyze and understand the flow of battle. Thats pretty good and all but given Julius fought Dracula and won, and the same Dracula can essentially learn the combat powers and experience of any creature of chaos with some of the monsters having unparalleled martial arts and other skilled weaponry thanks to his power of dominance, I think Julius can at the very least keep up from experience alone. He probably won’t match his skill but I don’t think it’ll be as onesided.
Nah definitely not. Mori himself has at least 80 million years of combat experience. And combated experience on its own means little to nothing without further information.

And what you described really doesn't even come close to the average relevant character in GoH in terms of skill. Chapter 1 Mori's martial arts far surpassed any other martial art in the verse where basically every martial arts is already superhuman to begin with (allowing for things like manipulating air pressure around your hands to make them act like swords for example). And chapter 33 Mori could already analyze, counter, replicate, and improve any martial arts he's seen even just a single time while getting almost one shotted by it. So learning combat prowess of master martial artists is really nothing worth mentioning here.

So yeah, what you're describing may be solid for many verses but is barely average compared to GOH. So far I don't see how is Julius even coming close to touching Mori.
So it’s basically no different than with Dracula’s magic being able to deconstruct. I still don’t really see this being something that would work on Julius when Dracula’s magic in general warps the fabric of reality and can do a wide variety of stuff, with deconstruction being one of them.
Julius' profile doesn't state he resists Draculas reality warping deconstruction or generally any deconstruction other than what's seems to be some sort of super acid.
Simon Belmont fought his Ancestor Trevor Belmont and interacted with him during the events of Judgment and he didn’t suffer any form of Marty Mcfly paradox from doing so. Julius is from the same descendant of Belmonts so he wouldn’t really be affected by something like this.
Fighting his ancestor isn't the same as getting killed as a baby or not even being born. To survive those he'd need acausality which he lacks.

I can understand not having the exact amount of layers listed on the profile but missing something as major as acausality is a pretty big deal imo.
 
All things considered this seems like Mori has far better win cons rn.

Julius isn't nearly skilled enough to land hits on 3D Mori, much less 4D Mori who can dodge in a direction that he can't even move in + might not even be able to affect Mori due to size and ND.

Meanwhile Mori, at the very least, has info manip over Julius + massive skill and intelligence advantage + size advantage + potentially many reality warping abilities + can't be killed by Julius + can just time travel and stop him from even being born.

Although I could be missing some stuff given these haxlord matchups are so annoying to analyze 😭😭
 
@Keeweed Magic is universal with Castlevania, also saying it won’t work on Mori because he doesn’t use magic is the same logic as saying Naruto characters can’t use their jutsus on any other character because they don’t use chakra. Verse equalization just says no to that and all of their abilities are taken accounted for. As for not having an answer to high godly, he can just seal Mori away. I don’t see sealing resistance on his page so that’s a win condition for Julius.
That’s not something verse equalize here. Mori doesn’t have magic to steal. We don’t assume everything has magic, just like we don’t give the opponent chakra we just assume they can use it on the opponent. If mori had magic i would understand, but he doesn’t at all.

Though sealing sounds like it works, however, any reason to assume he’ll land that before being beaten into the floor because he’s hilariously out skilled here.
 
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