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Julius vs Mori • (0-1-2)
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He doesn't have magic as some energy system within himself or something. Magic here is again just an umbrella term because the guy uses a wand for "spells"
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@DavidTPPM is making air pressure akin to swords even considered a skill feat? That sounds more like he’s punching so hard the air just slashes hard like a sword. But ok I’ll concede on the skill stuff.
Said waters literally destroy both body and soul and the Belmonts are fine being in it. It’s still deconstruction and it’s from Dracula’s magic since it comes from his castle.
@Keeweed the other characters not having Chakra is still as irrelevant as saying they don’t have Magic. The abilities are all taken into account cross verses and the burden of proof is on you that they’re unfazed by the ability in the first place.
Being outskilled can only do so much when Julius has a massive AP advantage since the scales to hundreds of timelines compared to Mori’s 10 so trying to beat Julius down won’t work. You need whatever abilities that Julius doesn’t resist if you want to harm or kill him
Said waters literally destroy both body and soul and the Belmonts are fine being in it. It’s still deconstruction and it’s from Dracula’s magic since it comes from his castle.
@Keeweed the other characters not having Chakra is still as irrelevant as saying they don’t have Magic. The abilities are all taken into account cross verses and the burden of proof is on you that they’re unfazed by the ability in the first place.
Being outskilled can only do so much when Julius has a massive AP advantage since the scales to hundreds of timelines compared to Mori’s 10 so trying to beat Julius down won’t work. You need whatever abilities that Julius doesn’t resist if you want to harm or kill him
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In Castlevania, magic is the same thing as soul and mind. This is still being applied, but it was already applied on the Belmont physiology page. That's why I said that the powernull passive can be associated with soul/mind.
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Honestly this is more a case now of wonder why it isn’t listed as soul / mind stealing with just a side effect of power stealing in castlevania. However, I am still curious what is the scan on it working on anyone and not just beings of chaos when it’s specifically “vampire killer” and is meant to kill evil.
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It is still being applied that is why. VP as well as sacred magic is accepted as working on normal beings, that is why Belmonts has resistance to the denial of immortality and regeneration. In addition, chaotic beings encompass a huge amount of types of beings even gods/deities and sacred beings.
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It was just an example since there's a ton og them but no actually not.
Mira (the character who uses the martial art) for example couldn't even scratch the opponent with her physical attacks but her martial art allowed her to make the air around her hands so sharp she could have one shotted them. It also allows her to clash with swords with bare hands without any harm when the opponent has more than enough AP to harm her. So it definitely is a skill feat in this case (although yeah it can often just be a feat of power, like with Might Guy from Naruto)
I mean that's good but the issue remains the same, withstanding acidic waters that dissolve your body and soul doesn't equate to resisting someone warping the very reality of your body into pieces.
Yeah I was arguing skill against the sealing. You said it's a finisher after he beats you down and I'm saying he's not only not beating Mori down but not even touching him.
The actual win con would be that Mori just blitzes him with either reality warping, time travel, or info manipulation. And I don't see anything that Julius could do against it
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Mori's soul/mind are a part of his core element which is a Type 2 information and type 3 concept so Belmont would need those 2 manipulations to affect it.
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Now that we have reached the fourth page, I am going to ask this question once again. Any consensus right now or are we still going with inconclusive here?
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Not much. Even without accounting for ND, Mori seems to have better and more reliable win cons as well as defensive capabilities.
The only so far mentioned counter to Moris regen was sealing which would be impossible to pull off, and Julius seems to have no counters to certain stuff Mori can do
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The method being different doesn’t change the fact the results are still the same. Mori is just doing another way of deconstructing someone and Julius still resists it.
Is his entire existence in general at this state up to the 10 universes or does he send avatars to fight for him?
Is his entire existence in general at this state up to the 10 universes or does he send avatars to fight for him?
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I already explained why that doesn't let Julius resist it. We had a whole conversation about it with someone here.
Just because you can resist something like pressure points induced paralysis doesn't mean you would be able to resist mind control induced paralysis for example. There is nothing about water dissolving stuff that would grant resistance to reality warping. Because as far as the profile states he doesn't resist the very concept of deconstruction but a certain method of deconstruction. Saying he can resist any ability that causes decon is just a big NLF
His true form is that large and he never fights in that form. Nirvana Mori is one of those characters that are clearly intended to be the strongest you can logically be (described as all powerful, perfectly divine, controlling and governing all things, transcending fundamental truths of the world, etc) but the author just didn't use the correct buzzwords when describing him to grant him a higher tier.
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Was going towards incon but Im leaning towards mori rn. I dont think resisting deconstruction via acid should grant you resistance to it via reality warping. Julius's sealing also has two problems being that mori's soul is info type 2 making it unknown if he can interact with it, and satan already had his soul ripped out and absorbed yet was able to fight unaffected ; mori has satan's powers.
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If his entire existence is on that level then this seems onesided since Julius can’t really interact with him then, essentially a mismatch for Mori vs Castlevania then.
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note: it is not acid, the waters as well as the entire castle are a magical/spiritual construction (and consequently mental), everything there is basically magic in concrete form.
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Yeah probably. Seems like every possible conclusion we're reaching is either a stomp or incon due to them but being able to interact properly
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I believe yes but we didn't come to a conclusion. Most of the discussion was under the assumption of what if it doesn't
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We literally don’t know if ND type 2 grants any form of immunity given DT’s thread on the standards for ND so it wasn’t much of a factor in this fight.
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Why are you vote counting? This fight is a mismatch
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Can you close the thread so it doesn't get spammed further? I think we went over everything there was to go over by now
MichaelCalistro
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So Dracula vs Mori is a stomp because plot armor goes brrrrrr and Julius vs Mori is a stomp because HDE goes brrrrrr, this is why Mori can't have good opponents let alone any good fights in his 2-C key against any Castlevania characters.
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Yk, you can always just use Moris others 20 keys for match ups. Those tend to be a lot more interesting to talk about
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@MichaelCalistro he literally has other keys and states to use. Either way, closing the thread
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