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Speed is equalized. 10 meter starting distance. Jotaro has SPOH. Gregory is 8-B.
Yare yare daze...
Yare yare daze...
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Jotaro Kujo (EoH) vs Gregory (Gregory Horror Show)
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I vote gregory due to pocket reality BFR and matter manipulation, also resistance to time manipulation
Also wrong board
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He's immune to time-stop, but he's not immune to existance erasure.
Jotaro punches the floor, physically shifts the ground where Gregory stands on in an instant, then punches him and erases him out of existance.
Jotaro punches the floor, physically shifts the ground where Gregory stands on in an instant, then punches him and erases him out of existance.
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...Existence erasure? Since when can he bypass type 8 immortality based on the hidden desires of mortals?
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Jotaro fra
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Who did he erase with 2-A durability?
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Then why is he 8-B?
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Then why does his profile say he's only 8-B?
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Does he start with that attack? Because Gregory can just rip out his soul
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Resistance to time manipulation?
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I don't see why freezing time would work on someone unnafected by rewinding time since rewinding time is harder to do
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GER has nothing to do with this.Axl233 said:
Resistance to time stop is resistance to time stop. If you have it, you can resist time stop.
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He's saying that Dio's timestop worked on GER who has infinite speed.
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"Strength" isn't how time stop works. It's just stopping time. You can't "stop time hard enough" to stop someone who has a resistance to time stop. If GER has infinite speed then time stop working on it would be PIS, and as far as I know HA DIO never used it on GER to begin with.
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If you think different suit yourself,but that is how people gauge how strong a time stop is in this wiki. Guy time stopped someone who resisted a time stop
Guy's time stop>a normal time stop.
How the hell is PIS?Dio after he been through all that heaven shit he got 2A reality warp and all of his abilities becamed much more powerful in general and in the game you have the option face HA Dio with other protagonist one of then being Giorno and eveen if you get GER he is still can time stop him.
"Has infinite speed so time stopping would be PIS"
Yeah,meanwhile there is 2A that can time stop a 1C with immensurable speed but no one baits an eye.
Guy's time stop>a normal time stop.
How the hell is PIS?Dio after he been through all that heaven shit he got 2A reality warp and all of his abilities becamed much more powerful in general and in the game you have the option face HA Dio with other protagonist one of then being Giorno and eveen if you get GER he is still can time stop him.
"Has infinite speed so time stopping would be PIS"
Yeah,meanwhile there is 2A that can time stop a 1C with immensurable speed but no one baits an eye.
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That's strange, I don't recall it ever being guaged that way by anybody. Time is only the 4th dimension, so anybody who is 5-D or higher should logically be completely unaffected by time manipulation. Care to name this particular 2-A?
I thought you were referring to an actual instance within a cutscene and not within gameplay. I'd argue the in-game representations aren't 100% faithful, especially when it comes to Made in Heaven, Ultimate Kars and GER, which are all treated as temporary upgrades. Are you referring to one of those Great Heat Attacks? Because even then I'd argue it's for the sake of gameplay balance. It wouldn't be fair to make GER immune to the timestop.
Unfortunately I can't seem to find any sort of video or source that confirms GER is affected by it anyways.
I thought you were referring to an actual instance within a cutscene and not within gameplay. I'd argue the in-game representations aren't 100% faithful, especially when it comes to Made in Heaven, Ultimate Kars and GER, which are all treated as temporary upgrades. Are you referring to one of those Great Heat Attacks? Because even then I'd argue it's for the sake of gameplay balance. It wouldn't be fair to make GER immune to the timestop.
Unfortunately I can't seem to find any sort of video or source that confirms GER is affected by it anyways.
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If im recall,someone once said that eveen if you 4D,5D or higher you are still in space time,you need to be 1A to be completely above those concepts,but there is also a guy that can time stop a 1A with omnipresence so...ArbitraryNumbers said:
Clockmon.
Im have see people using things that happen gameplay to give abilities,AP and speed to characters before idk why this is not the case now.
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If they are immeasurable then they shouldn't be affected by time manipulation whatsoever. I'm inclined to think a 1-C being getting affected by the manipulation of a dimensional space that they are above is just PIS, not a tribute to the character having a powerful timestop.
It's like a box. Your character's time stop affects everything within the box, but your opponent is outside the box, and no matter how good your timestop is, it's not going to affect them. That's how I feel about this; stopping time doesn't affect someone who is not restricted by time. It's like trying to manipulate a treadmill that they aren't standing on.
And I've never been a big fan of accepting gameplay mechanics as feats either. Especially when their in game representations are not faithful to the source material. Like I said, within MiH's gamplay, Ultimate Kars, GER, MiH, etc. are all treated as temporary abilities that only last for a short period of time, when in canon they aren't. Why? Because it wouldn't be fair if they lasted forever. I'd argue its a similar case with GER, as the ability to outright nullify somone's technique wouldn't be fair.
Again you gotta provide a link for this statement of yours. It's not included on the profile, and if regular DIO and Jotaro can also timestop GER within gameplay then it proves my point.
However that's just my two cents and as the OP I'm not arguing for either character here as I don't think that's my job. If I'm outnumbered here then I can concede.
It's like a box. Your character's time stop affects everything within the box, but your opponent is outside the box, and no matter how good your timestop is, it's not going to affect them. That's how I feel about this; stopping time doesn't affect someone who is not restricted by time. It's like trying to manipulate a treadmill that they aren't standing on.
And I've never been a big fan of accepting gameplay mechanics as feats either. Especially when their in game representations are not faithful to the source material. Like I said, within MiH's gamplay, Ultimate Kars, GER, MiH, etc. are all treated as temporary abilities that only last for a short period of time, when in canon they aren't. Why? Because it wouldn't be fair if they lasted forever. I'd argue its a similar case with GER, as the ability to outright nullify somone's technique wouldn't be fair.
Again you gotta provide a link for this statement of yours. It's not included on the profile, and if regular DIO and Jotaro can also timestop GER within gameplay then it proves my point.
However that's just my two cents and as the OP I'm not arguing for either character here as I don't think that's my job. If I'm outnumbered here then I can concede.
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Then open a discussion regarding that,because the opposite of what you claiming to be has been going around this wiki for a very long time and you dint eveen realized.
They done that for game balance issues thats it,there is nothing suggesting that they are different from the source material.
Just give me some time im have to dig into my 1 million images to find that one
They done that for game balance issues thats it,there is nothing suggesting that they are different from the source material.
Just give me some time im have to dig into my 1 million images to find that one
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Do people actually think all Time Stop is created equal? Tell that to Providence and her Time Stop on a 5D scale, or Ren's Outerversal Time Stop.
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And no, I am not refering to duration
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I have to disagree with Arbitrary. There is such a thing as "better" time-stops. If you can stop time against someone with resistance to time-stop, that should prove yours is of a much higher potency and degree, or has mechanics behind it proving it futile for those with resistance.
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Time stop is time stop. It isn't the same as, say, mindhax, where you clearly have better mindhax if you make 10,000 people go crazy vs one person going crazy. But time is time. Since the whole argument is "lol time hax" against a character that resists time hax, I vote Greg.
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Incorrect. Fiction does not use that logic. There is varying degrees of time-stop potency, as silly as it may seem.
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1) Gregory resists a from of Time-Manipulation which isn't Time-Stop (in fact, it's Time Reversal).
2) Yes, there is no difference between time-stopping an average human, or 1.000.000 3-As with MFTL+ speed, however, Jotaro has better time-stop than normal since it can work on someone with infinite speed.
Are those things too hard to understand?
2) Yes, there is no difference between time-stopping an average human, or 1.000.000 3-As with MFTL+ speed, however, Jotaro has better time-stop than normal since it can work on someone with infinite speed.
Are those things too hard to understand?
