Johnny Joestar vs Zamasu

[Seventy96]

Infinite Zamasu

Tusk A

Johnny and his horse Slow Dancer, as he appears in All Star Battle.


Tusk Act 4


Zamasu

ct 4
In character

No prior knowledge

Speed equalized

Location: One Piece universe

 

[Axl233]

What did Johnny done to deserve this man?

 

[ProfessorLord]

Multiverse level+ attack potency from Johnny vs Universe+ eventually becoming Low Multiverse durability from Zamasu.

So Johnny should be able to OHKO Zamasu, right?

 

[Axl233]

Yeah but Zamasu is a living universe while Johnny is just a crippled.


Zamasu could just devour him.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Yeah but Zamasu is a living universe while Johnny is just a crippled.

Zamasu could just devour him.

Assuming he can attack in that form. And by that I mean Zamasu seems to just passively... devour and destroy the universe. I don't remember him specifically attacking anyone.

Johnny just shoots an infinite rotation upwards and gets rid of Zamasu.

 

[DMB_1]

Johnny, Gyro and Valentine were meant to be downgraded, but Weekly didn't make the thread.

Anyways, even if Infinite Rotation was indeed 2-A, Johnny ain't onna kill the space-time continuum that he's in, and even if he could, he would die.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Johnny, Gyro and Valentine were meant to be downgraded, but Weekly didn't make the thread.
Anyways, even if Infinite Rotation was indeed 2-A, Johnny ain't onna kill the space-time continuum that he's in, and even if he could, he would die.

Tusk follows your soul, so whatever continuum Zamasu is in, he will still be affected. Whatever pseudo-physical form he takes will continue to rotate and seperate, basically incapacitating him.

And even if it is only the universe Johnny is in, Zamasu would still be rotation locked there and unable to affect Johnny at all. So Johnny should win in that scenario too.

 

[DMB_1]

Zamasu has become one with the space-time itself, and the infinite rotation never worked on a 4D being (incapacitation wise)

 

[ProfessorLord]

Zamasu only affected space time, he had never actually became one with it. It says this on his profile, but than contradicts itself with this.

Even if he is a 4-D being, if he can't possess a proper 3-D vessel to use against Johnny, it's BFR right?

And does soulhax bypass 4-D beings altogether? Zamasu has a soul, I don't see why not.

 

[DMB_1]

No, if said soulhax hasn't sjown to work ahgainst a 4D being. Also, Zamasu is alredy incorporeal, so it doesn't really metter.

 

[ProfessorLord]

No, if said soulhax hasn't sjown to work ahgainst a 4D being. Also, Zamasu is alredy incorporeal, so it doesn't really metter.

Well there aren't a lot of 4-D characters in Jojo is there now. Zamasu isn't a traditional 4-D abstract, he was previously a mortal with a soul, so that should carry over into his new form.

Also, this, found in the non-corporeal page:

Killing Non-Corporeal Beings
Incorporeal beings can be killed through;

• Soul Manipulation, as long as the entity in question has a soul.

And even if he is incorporeal, he still needs to possess a 3-D avatar. If his avatar is unable to function via infinite rotation, it counts as incapacitation and a win for Johnny.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Uh, no. He has no avatar. He can shoot lasers, but he has no body, and he did fuse with spacetime

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I really need to get the downgrade for Johnny, Gyro, and Funny started...

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I really need to get the downgrade for Johnny, Gyro, and Funny started...

No pressure, can take some time to make decent downgrades

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh no i already have all the evidence i need i just keep putting it off because i know for a fact its going to get ugly

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yeah, i can immagine

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Infinite Spin is a bypass/incap move, not actually damage causing. As long as people get that, there's no reason why he should be downgraded. Its not a 2A attack, but a bypass hax that replicated something akin to a 2A attack(by bypassing LT) but not really.

Its kinda difficult to explain tbh.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

LT isnt 2-A to begin with

 

[HST_Master]

Assuming he can attack in that form. And by that I mean Zamasu seems to just passively... devour and destroy the universe. I don't remember him specifically attacking anyone.

Johnny just shoots an infinite rotation upwards and gets rid of Zamasu.

He did attack.....matter of fact he wiped out everyone on Earth save Goku and Co.

 

[ProfessorLord]

Infinite Spin is a bypass/incap move, not actually damage causing. As long as people get that, there's no reason why he should be downgraded. Its not a 2A attack, but a bypass hax that replicated something akin to a 2A attack(by bypassing LT) but not really.
Its kinda difficult to explain tbh.

Having your cells ripped apart as they continue to spin away from each other forever is damaging, is it not? It may not be traditional damage, but it's damage nonetheless.

If Johnny needs to actually hit Zamasu (and not an avatar) to activate the soulhax portion of the Infinite Rotation, then I believe that we have a stomp. He literally cannot harm him in any way shape or form.

I vote inconclusive for now, until someone like J-Man can shed light on Johnny and his soulhax.