Jeff the Killer Combat and Reaction Speed upgrade

[Vyfourthaccount]

Credits for Headless on discord to this feat and the arguement

So Basically Jeff Punches randy in the chest and causes his heart to stop:

Something inside Jeff snaps. His psyche is destroyed, all rational thinking is gone, all he can do, is kill. He grabs Randy and pile drives him to the ground. He gets on top of him and punches him straight in the heart. The punch causes Randy's heart to stop. As Randy gasps for breath. Jeff hammers down on him.

which fits the description perfectly of a Rare condition called Commotio cordis:

Commotio cordis is an extremely rare condition that can occur when a hard object (such as a baseball or lacrosse ball) hits the chest directly over the heart at a specific time, disrupting the normal heart rhythm and leading to sudden cardiac arrest. Early treatment by CPR and an AED is critical for survival.

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and a Punch can do it but it seems to need to be going at 40 miles

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So Overall this would Give Jeff Superhuman Combat and Reaction Speed. this would also likely give him pressure points since He would have needed to do it at a certain angle.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

bump

 

[Rayfire]

I highly doubt this applies to reaction speed, Jeff isn’t necessarily “reacting” to any attacks in this instance.

Feats like this are normally treated as AP I believe since it’s not necessarily indicative of speed and the 40 mile per hour punch thing is contradicted by the fact that 50 joules can be enough to do this with the right technique.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Yeah I talk more indepth about this in my video on my channel and on my blog https://fictional-indexing.fandom.c...dlessGlen/Jeff_the_Killer_(2011)_Calculations

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I highly doubt this applies to reaction speed, Jeff isn’t necessarily “reacting” to any attacks in this instance.

Feats like this are normally treated as AP I believe since it’s not necessarily indicative of speed and the 40 mile per hour punch thing is contradicted by the fact that 50 joules can be enough to do this with the right technique.

Eh fair enough but honestly I still think it would Give jeff Superhuman Combat Speed. since other Sites talk about fast moving hockey pucks, baseball and other shit can cause that kind of Condition which likely should still Apply if calced. and plus above the 50 joules thing says that the velocity of the impact is a critical factor in this

 

[Rayfire]

Eh fair enough but honestly I still think it would Give jeff Superhuman Combat Speed. since other Sites talk about fast moving hockey pucks, baseball and other shit can cause that kind of Condition which likely should still Apply if calced. and plus above the 50 joules thing says that the velocity of the impact is a critical factor in this

The 40 mph thing would definitely be 9-C in terms of AP if a regular human threw it though (It is very close to the fastest hand speed ever recorded) and 50 joules is 10-C+. There’s clearly multiple possibilities but the statement included is very vague beyond the fact that Jeff punched Randy. We can’t really put a number on it, nor can we guarantee that Jeff actually threw a punch that fast especially when his best feats are athletic human right now.

Vsbattles isn’t one of those other sites though lol, that said the speed of baseballs and whatnot aren’t really a good example. You can calculate the speed of a baseball based on KE and the KE based on the speed and whatnot, but we really don’t get any details here at all, not even a ‘his fist moved like a blur’ statement or something that would indicate a high hand speed.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

The 40 mph thing would definitely be 9-C in terms of AP if a regular human threw it though (It is very close to the fastest hand speed ever recorded) and 50 joules is 10-C+. There’s clearly multiple possibilities but the statement included is very vague beyond the fact that Jeff punched Randy. We can’t really put a number on it, nor can we guarantee that Jeff actually threw a punch that fast especially when his best feats are athletic human right now.

Vsbattles isn’t one of those other sites though lol, that said the speed of baseballs and whatnot aren’t really a good example. You can calculate the speed of a baseball based on KE and the KE based on the speed and whatnot, but we really don’t get any details here at all, not even a ‘his fist moved like a blur’ statement or something that would indicate a high hand speed.

Thinking now, it seems fair then. It makes sense but I guess this should give Jeff pressure points since the text implies that he knew what he was doing

 

[Rayfire]

Thinking now, it seems fair then. It makes sense but I guess this should give Jeff pressure points since the text implies that he knew what he was doing

I’m a little iffy on this considering that jeff’s rational thinking was gone, AKA, he was completely animalistic at the time, but I’ll see what others think on that part

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I’m a little iffy on this considering that jeff’s rational thinking was gone, AKA, he was completely animalistic at the time, but I’ll see what others think on that part

He was kinda still rational considering he run away when guns were trained at him

 

[Volt12121]

I'm personally iffy on the pressure point addition as in a previous CRT i've done , punching the heart in such a way wasn't accepted as pressure point sense realistically anyone can do this, it doesn't really require knowledge of pressure point to just punch someone hard in the chest, especially sense the chest is a very common striking area in fist fights

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I'm personally iffy on the pressure point addition as in a previous CRT i've done , punching the heart in such a way wasn't accepted as pressure point sense realistically anyone can do this, it doesn't really require knowledge of pressure point to just punch someone hard in the chest, especially sense the chest is a very common striking area in fist fights

Fair enough, then what this feat grants?

 

[Volt12121]

Pretty much nothing from what i know, sense regular people in real life have been able to accidentally replicate this feat

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Pretty much nothing from what i know, sense regular people in real life have been able to accidentally replicate this feat

Damn

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Yeah I was the one that rejected this last time, because Jeff didn't seemingly do it on pourpose. He wasn't thinking "If I hit him right at this angle at this exact moment I'll stop his heart", he did it by accident. He just simply was punching the kid in the chest to try & wound him and just happened to hit him at the exact right time at the exact right angle, this wasn't a planned out move or attack, just something that happened by dumb luck. It's not something he can regularly just throw out in a fight

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Yeah I was the one that rejected this last time, because Jeff didn't seemingly do it on pourpose. He wasn't thinking "If I hit him right at this angle at this exact moment I'll stop his heart", he did it by accident. He just simply was punching the kid in the chest to try & wound him and just happened to hit him at the exact right time at the exact right angle, this wasn't a planned out move or attack, just something that happened by dumb luck. It's not something he can regularly just throw out in a fight

I see