Is this BDE2?

[Teach1121]

No,if existence is being reduced into non existence ,you could also say it lacks space and time,
The void should lack space and time because it is qualitatively above the space and time or physical reality as a whole not because reality is being reduced into non existence ,thats the entire reasoning behind BDE type 2

Am I missing something

because you can be reduced/dissolution back into nothingness that's the entire point of a monad and lower existences once they become complete .(im.tired)

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Am I missing something

because you can be reduced/dissolution back into nothingness that's the entire point of a monad and lower existences once they become complete .(im.tired)

I didn’t bring up jinwoo being a monad yet . It kinda relies on this a bit.

 

[Teach1121]

I didn’t bring up jinwoo being a monad yet . It kinda relies on this a bit.

Jinwoo being a monad doesn't matter lol
I'm just speaking in general returning back to something and becoming that thing itself should almost always put you at a higher state since it proves everything is a lower state of itself especially when the realm/thing encompasses all aspect of the lower state lol

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

1-A: Outerverse level
Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative"; based entirely on the ontological quality and nature of their existence, rather than any quantitative or numerical principle.

A way to explain their superiority over "physical composition" would be to bring attention to the fact that all of the previous tiers can be expressed as the union of constructs of lower tiers. For example, a 4-dimensional spacetime continuum is at most Low 2-C. However, an inaccessible cardinal's worth of such spacetimes is well into High 1-B+. In spite of the extremely large gap in size between the individuals comprising this totality and the totality itself, the latter is simply the sum of all the former, and as such both ultimately reside in the same state of existence, and have continuity of composition within that state.

Likewise, even the Von Neumann Universe (As well as larger structures still) is still simply the union of many elements that, individually, are smaller than itself. And the same applies to any mathematical space whatsoever.

A 1-A character or realm, on the other hand, fundamentally surpasses lower states of existence, with their sheer superiority not being expressible as the sum, union or permutation of anything in these lesser states. They, in other words, transcend lower existences to the point that those vanish into nothingness.[note 3]

This tier can be extended into higher levels in the same vein as 1-C and 1-B. And should a character or object effect something equivalent to infinitely many of such levels, they should have a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+).

Can you elaborate on how a "qualitative" superiority is achieved?

From the BDE page, first the definition:

Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions. In the majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless. That is to say: A "beyond-dimensional" character does not take up any volume whatsoever, nor does it occupy a position in spacetime, nor does its continued existence trace a path through it. They are, as such, much different from 0-dimensional characters, who simply have no extension in any dimension and still occupy spatial location.

Then the methods:

Type 2: Characters who exceed dimensionality, which may occur in the following ways:

1) As mentioned before, by a certain "excess of size," in which an object (Or collection of objects) is simply too large to be a dimensional space in the conventional sense. For instance, the Universe of Sets, which contains all mathematical set-structures, and therefore all spaces in which dimensions are defined, being larger than all such spaces. Characters of this nature are Low 1-A.

2) Through a qualitative superiority over lesser things, which is to say: Ontologically surpassing all the contents of a lower reality, and being above their physical composition and differentiation. Characters of this nature don't simply lack all physicality and composition (As in Type 1), but surpass it altogether, being of a wholly superior nature that is not reachable by lower states of existence.

As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar. However, if they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

Furthermore, keep in mind that Type 2 Beyond-Dimensional Existence (In particular the latter variant) is not simply a combination of a non-dimensional state of existence and greater raw power than all dimensional structures in a cosmology – though that is a necessary condition to qualify for it, it is not a sufficient one. Instead, the non-dimensional state of existence must be the direct cause of the character/realm's superiority over dimensions. A simple example being voids of nothingness that lack space, time and physicality entirely, but are nonetheless "vaster" than physical reality in some way, with common imagery being the universe as a small object encompassed in such a backdrop.

With that said, given that this void in question is indeed like a backdrop containing the universes (and the world tree as a whole) yet being vaster than them, qualitative superiority is achieved here.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

I'm open to the idea of this being classified as 1-A, but I don't have a deep understanding of the series or the specific criteria for Voids of Nothingness being on that tier. Based on what I do know, though, it seems to meet the qualifications as far as I'm aware.

Really wish Ultima was still as active to help us out.

 

[Siru_Kyosha]

Agree

A void of nothingness.

Which everything is bound by.

With the universe and the fundamental idea that sustains it being nothing more than a needle in a desert,with even that being just an example as it is much vaster than a desert.


That which Everything falls into and is reduced to nonexistence



Losing everything,even their very identity/sense of self and becoming one with it.(tho it takes time for them to become one with it, the longer you are dead,the deeper you fall.)


It should also be noted that the “souls” in the sea aren’t actually souls. As even when your spiritual body is erased,your soul destroyed,or your existence itself erased, you still fall into the sea.

It should meet all of the standards for BDE2

As it is a void of nothingness that dwarfs reality. Among many other things





AGREE (4) Astral_Trinity439,Teach1121,Verlice_tempest,LOTM_Historian


NEUTRAL: (1) Vietthai96


DISAGREE (3) Phoenks, Dark_Soul20189,The golden_and _silver_house

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah we really need staff because this is blatantly not reaching the standards and it sets a harmful precedent when unknowledgeable members are spamming agrees. Lmao.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Yeah we really need staff because this is blatantly not reaching the standards and it sets a harmful precedent when unknowledgeable members are spamming agrees. Lmao.

But sure I am also @ staff