Is Freezing lightning AZ?

[Pepsimanslover_69]

There's a feat where a character freezes lightning, and said lightning can be conducted through metal, cause paralysis, and is summoned from clouds.

Since lightning is made of electrons, wouldn't freezing it be AZ if not beyond?

 

[Planck69]

You can't really go beyond Absolute Zero.

@Executor_N0 @DontTalkDT Any opinions on this?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There's no such thing as "Beyond Absolute Zero". Also, lightning bolts generate a body of plasma; not like the entire thing is made purely of electrons. Just about everything has electrons in it.

But anyway, it's impossible to actually freeze the electrons as far as demonstrated physics/chemistry go, but there could be frozen objects to store electrons. Think going from temperature of lightning bolts at 30000 degrees C all the way to air being frozen a like -220 degrees C at the very least.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

There's no such thing as "Beyond Absolute Zero". Also, lightning bolts generate a body of plasma; not like the entire thing is made purely of electrons. Just about everything has electrons in it.

But anyway, it's impossible to actually freeze the electrons as far as demonstrated physics/chemistry go, but there could be frozen objects to store electrons. Think going from temperature of lightning bolts at 30000 degrees C all the way to air being frozen a like -220 degrees C at the very least.

The beyond comment was mostly there due to how AZ is strictly regarding atoms, and affecting electrons would technically be superior to that, but yeah I get the meaning.

So what would freezing lightning constitute? If anything?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Temperature is the average KE of particles. If you define lightning as moving electrons (rather than moving photons) then freezing a lightning to AZ is no different from freezing a regular thing to AZ. And freezing it in general is no different from... well, freezing something. You would pretty much just scale to the lightning's energy.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Temperature is the average KE of particles. If you define lightning as moving electrons (rather than moving photons) then freezing a lightning to AZ is no different from freezing a regular thing to AZ. And freezing it in general is no different from... well, freezing something. You would pretty much just scale to the lightning's energy.

So despite affecting electrons(as well as photons) being a feat superior to affecting atoms (atleast according to the matter Manipulation page) freezing them wouldn't necessarily be AZ?

I'm a bit confused as to why freezing atoms is AZ. Is the page outdated perhaps?

Edit: can we get a temperature out of it?

 

[DontTalkDT]

So despite affecting electrons(as well as photons)

I will note that stopping either of them would stop the other as consequence.

being a feat superior to affecting atoms (atleast according to the matter Manipulation page) freezing them wouldn't necessarily be AZ?

Yes. Actually, affecting electrons is "superior" only if you do it precisely. The idea is that matter manipulation that controls subatomic particles is better than just controlling atoms. That is when done via direct manipulation only.
E.g. if I rub my feet on the carpet to build up a static charge I technically "manipulate" electrons, too, but that doesn't count. For the same reason creating lightning wouldn't and freezing not either.

I'm a bit confused as to why freezing atoms is AZ. Is the page outdated perhaps?

Which page are you referring to?
The AZ page? Because when that talks about freezing atoms it's in the sense of completely stopping their movements (which hopefully is clear by context). It's not about just freezing a thing composed of atoms, as that would be... well, anything.

Edit: can we get a temperature out of it?

Not really. Like, it's the freezing temperature of the thing the lightning is flowing through.