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(Need 1 more staff votes!)Iruna Major Addition: Darkness Attributes and Concept type

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Darkness

Today is the day that some major information about darkness is introduced.

Without further ado, and to keep the evaluation process as efficient as possible for the staff, I'll get straight to the point.

(Types 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)

Sianas true form is the primordial Darkness that existed long before the formation of the world. The destruction of her manifested body does not constitute true death, as she can continue existing as the will of Darkness itself. She is not bound by the Dark Domain that governs the cycle of life, death, and reincarnation. Through the use of Dark Crystals, fragments of her own essence, she can infect and inhabit other beings, extending her soul and spirit into new vessels should her current one be destroyed. As a collective existence formed from multiple wills of Darkness, she can transfer her consciousness between hosts and manifestations. Even if sealed or physically destroyed, she is capable of persisting as a spiritual presence within the world. As long as Darkness itself continues to exist, Sianas can eventually resurrect and return. Exist within The Gap a void of nothingness that exist in a different plane of existence than Iruna as will of darkness, As Darkness is tied to the primordial dark world of swirling chaos that existed before boundaries and reality were established, her true form exists independently of the created world.
(Type 3; Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

Darkness is the primordial void that existed before all creation and before the distinctions that structure reality. Because it precedes the framework through which existence and nonexistence are defined, it cannot be properly categorized as either in the conventional sense. It is not governed by the principles that apply to created beings, including life and death, and possesses neither a conventional soul nor spirit. Rather than an ordinary existence, it is a primordial state that remains independent of the world and the systems that emerged from it.

Agree: ActuallySpaceman42 (Staff),
Disagree:
Idk this old ahh game:
 
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It's stated that the gods power is essential to shape the world, and their "death" would lead to the destruction of the world.

The 5 construction gods, is responsible for literally creating and forming the world then giving shape to it.

From the gods’ own statements, they did not merely control the elements, but the fundamental definitions that allow those elements to exist, forming the forces from which the world derives its shape.

Like Navie the goddess of voyage vice gods of wind who embody and manipulate "voyage" so an ark can keep flying even under impossible situation.
This needs bit more information, because simply saying essential and without them world cease to exist is too vague. Like you can have any other metaphysical aspects that shapes world with their power and essential to exist(plot, information).

But i see with these scans
It can be what you are aiming for. I am neutral for concept stuff. So i will ask more context before saying "It seems they are just laws"

NEP, AE, Incorpeality and Immortality make sense.
 
This needs bit more information, because simply saying essential and without them world cease to exist is too vague. Like you can have any other metaphysical aspects that shapes world with their power and essential to exist(plot, information).

But i see with these scans

It can be what you are aiming for. I am neutral for concept stuff. So i will ask more context before saying "It seems they are just laws"

NEP, AE, Incorpeality and Immortality make sense.
Finally some attraction! But yes I will gather scan and provide for some argument first!
 
NEP, AE, Incorpeality and Immortality make sense.
So for NEP, because they're nothingness (act as type 1 nature) preceding and beyond the distinction that is Existence and Non-Existence that was later defined by creation.

Could they be Type 2? (The full explanation on the Darkness and Chaos).
 
So for NEP, because they're nothingness (act as type 1 nature) preceding and beyond the distinction that is Existence and Non-Existence that was later defined by creation.

Could they be Type 2? (The full explanation on the Darkness and Chaos).
I have problems with opening some scans cuz images ain't loadin for me

But let's say explanation is this basically

So basically, Iruna’s whole reality is built and held together by the Twelve Gods, but not in a simple “they created the world” way. It’s more like they represent and govern the actual concepts that define how reality works in the first place. Things like Earth, Wind, Water, Mercy, Voyage, and all those aren’t just elements or ideas — they function as the underlying rules everything in the world is participating in. That’s why everything in Iruna kind of “follows” those concepts rather than existing independently from them.

Before Iruna existed, the setting wasn’t just an empty void either — it’s described more like a chaotic, undifferentiated state where nothing was properly separated or defined yet. No proper space, no structured time, no fixed laws. Then the gods basically imposed order onto that through creation, using deeper foundational forces like Positive and Negative Energy. These aren’t emotions or symbolic ideas either — they behave more like primordial principles that even creation itself has to operate under. Even actions inside the world, like what the Adventurer does, can affect that balance, which suggests everything is still participating in those deeper rules.

So overall, Iruna is basically a layered system: you’ve got primordial principles at the base, then existence gets split into Light and Darkness, then deeper collapse states like Chaos appear when things break down, and above all of that are the Twelve Concepts that actually shape how the world functions day to day. Everything in the world sits on top of that structure, while Chaos is more like what you fall back into when that whole structure stops holding together.

If I understand it correctly, Darkness idea of Nothingness(NEP 1) and Chaos is nothingness existed before darkness and light? If this is context(again assuming i couldn't view scans fully) NEP 2 is fine. If Darkness is js some void and chaos is void that is above darkness i think it would be js layer into NEP 1
 
I have problems with opening some scans cuz images ain't loadin for me

But let's say explanation is this basically



If I understand it correctly, Darkness idea of Nothingness(NEP 1) and Chaos is nothingness existed before darkness and light? If this is context(again assuming i couldn't view scans fully) NEP 2 is fine. If Darkness is js some void and chaos is void that is above darkness i think it would be js layer into NEP 1
Yeah, basically. Chaos is implied to exist before the distinction of Darkness and Light. The NEP 2 argument comes from it predating the framework/concepts themselves, not just being a higher layer of void above Darkness. If it was only a void above Darkness, then it would just be NEP 1 with layers.
 
Okay

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There are more but need to be uploaded first🙏, also if you can't open it I have the copy pasted version of it.
This is not how you present scans 😭

First scan is sus to them being universals. I would ask context though . Second part of scans imply power of whatever love controlling all love though, but without further elaboration it obv isn't concept

Are these powers or whatever essence or definition of world? But from what I read, not all of them equal(like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)
 
This is not how you present scans 😭

First scan is sus to them being universals. I would ask context though . Second part of scans imply power of whatever love controlling all love though, but without further elaboration it obv isn't concept

Are these powers or whatever essence or definition of world? But from what I read, not all of them equal(like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)
Sorry, first of all I just got the scans and didn't created the arguments obviously my bad.

As for others:



1. "First scan is sus to them being universals. I would ask context though."

The context is that they're trapped inside a space created by the Goddess herself (she literally warped reality to create it). The statement is referring to the influence exerted within that space, not the concept as a whole. She intentionally limits the amount of influence present there because otherwise it would disturb the world's equilibrium. In other words, the space was created through her conceptual authority, but its influence is restricted so it doesn't distort the wider world.



2. "Second part of scans imply power of whatever love controlling all love though, but without further elaboration it obv isn't concept."

The Golden Heart isn't just "love controlling love." It's essentially the physical manifestation of her divine authority, a conceptual medium through which that authority is expressed. It functions as a tool tied to her domain and can grant wishes through the power she possesses as the Goddess of Affection/Love. I also have additional scans elaborating on this if needed.



3. "Are these powers or whatever essence or definition of world?"

They're powers, but not in the sense of ordinary supernatural abilities. Their authority directly influences the world itself in the same way the gods' blessings do. Pulis doesn't merely use Love; she explicitly defines what Love is and even explains the different forms it can take. The fact that interference with these authorities can threaten the world's equilibrium further suggests they're tied to the underlying structure of reality rather than being isolated abilities.



4. "Not all of them equal (like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)."

That's related to the first point. The limitation being discussed is specific to that artificially created space. She intentionally suppresses the scale of the influence there so it doesn't destabilize the world and potentially destroy its equilibrium. The statement isn't saying the domain itself is only local in scope; it's saying the influence being exerted through that particular space is deliberately restricted to avoid affecting the wider world.
 
Hello...👋
But from what I read, not all of them equal(like space or whatever this already red flag for universals if we say powers = concepts)
The powers aren't supposed to be the concepts themselves. They're manifestations of the domain the god embodies.
The Golden Heart is a good example of this, since it's explicitly treated as Pulis' power:
"If we can get a hold of that, we can get back the goddess's power and escape, right?"
So the Golden Heart isn't Love itself, but a manifestation of Pulis' authority as the Goddess of Affection/Love.
The same applies to the other gods. Their blessings, abilities, miracles, and other effects are manifestations of their respective domains rather than the domains themselves.
For the point being made, the argument isn't:
powers = concepts
but rather:
concept/domain → god embodies it → powers manifest from it.
Because of that, differences in the scale, scope, or application of their powers wouldn't necessarily be a red flag against the domains being conceptual in nature. The powers are simply expressions of the domain, not the domain itself.
 
Hello...👋

The powers aren't supposed to be the concepts themselves. They're manifestations of the domain the god embodies.
The Golden Heart is a good example of this, since it's explicitly treated as Pulis' power:

So the Golden Heart isn't Love itself, but a manifestation of Pulis' authority as the Goddess of Affection/Love.
The same applies to the other gods. Their blessings, abilities, miracles, and other effects are manifestations of their respective domains rather than the domains themselves.
For the point being made, the argument isn't:

but rather:

Because of that, differences in the scale, scope, or application of their powers wouldn't necessarily be a red flag against the domains being conceptual in nature. The powers are simply expressions of the domain, not the domain itself.
If this is true then it will be not conceptual manipulation but Abstract Existence for Concept
 
Sorry I meant what part
You are saying it is them essential for existence and not their powers

Let's say it is true. They are manipulating area with power comes from them

I said manipulation of only finite area is red flag for it being universal

You claimed this

The context is that they're trapped inside a space created by the Goddess herself (she literally warped reality to create it). The statement is referring to the influence exerted within that space, not the concept as a whole. She intentionally limits the amount of influence present there because otherwise it would disturb the world's equilibrium. In other words, the space was created through her conceptual authority, but its influence is restricted so it doesn't distort the wider world.
We need context and proof for this claim. Do they truly limit their powers otherwise it would disturb world's equilibrium?


It didn't read to me as "My power is so huge it might cause world's chaos" but rather character's power isn't huge enough to cause chaos. It is actually question to me what concept(if it is concept even) is this, if manipulation of it would cause disbalance.

I am open minded to hear context
 
You are saying it is them essential for existence and not their powers

Let's say it is true. They are manipulating area with power comes from them

I said manipulation of only finite area is red flag for it being universal

You claimed this


We need context and proof for this claim. Do they truly limit their powers otherwise it would disturb world's equilibrium?


It didn't read to me as "My power is so huge it might cause world's chaos" but rather character's power isn't huge enough to cause chaos. It is actually question to me what concept(if it is concept even) is this, if manipulation of it would cause disbalance.

I am open minded to hear context
Ah so need proof that they indeed limit themselves instead of it inherently limited? Sure
 
We need context and proof for this claim. Do they truly limit their powers otherwise it would disturb world's equilibrium?
Pulis After you taught her a lesson last time, I invited her to this space to make her an Evangelist Of Love....
PulisThat's right... Oh! But don't get me wrong! We're calling it a space, but it's small enough that it doesn't interfere with the world's equilibrium. It acts as a sort of support for those who depend on my power.
It didn't read to me as "My power is so huge it might cause world's chaos" but rather character's power isn't huge enough to cause chaos.
The Vice Gods are gods who aided the 12 Gods through their process of making the world.
Pulis The world you have made is interfering with Iruna. Do you really mean to say you don't know what will behappen if it continues to expand at this rate?

Ideaus.. Couldn't it be you're just afraid of losing the barrier between worlds? Her world is starting to disturb Iruna's world order... That's what you've come here thinking?
 
NEP would be NEP Type 3, as without boundaries, one would be both existent and nonexistent simultaneously. Other than that, I didn't see any issues with the stuff regarding Darkness.
 
NEP would be NEP Type 3, as without boundaries, one would be both existent and nonexistent simultaneously. Other than that, I didn't see any issues with the stuff regarding Darkness.
Hmm, but it also existed prior to the framework of existence and non existence (Iruna) and (The Gap) even before Chaos which is a state of "dark world of swirling chaos with no boundaries or anything left" which exist beyond the framework that the gods created, since Darkness is stated as nothingness but exist beyond the framework that separates both distinction.

Darkness represents a primordial "nothingness" that is not equivalent to nonexistence within the created framework, but instead precedes the conceptual distinction between existence and nonexistence itself. Since differentiation, boundaries, and the separation between being and non-being are properties introduced by the created order, Darkness exists outside the binary framework those concepts rely on.
 
Hmm, but it also existed prior to the framework of existence and non existence (Iruna) and (The Gap) even before Chaos which is a state of "dark world of swirling chaos with no boundaries or anything left" which exist beyond the framework that the gods created, since Darkness is stated as nothingness but exist beyond the framework that separates both distinction.
You only provided one scan for NEP, so I need scans for all of this.
 
On it

Since you're here I want to ask about concept, other than name-dropping it what would qualify as a concept? Thank you.
A statement that something constitutes the essence of a thing within reality, and that the manipulation or erasure of said essence causes corresponding changes in reality related to that thing.
 
A statement that something constitutes the essence of a thing within reality, and that the manipulation or erasure of said essence causes corresponding changes in reality related to that thing.
Okay okay, last question before scans, uhh what if said concepts is a lesser form from a higher essence? Basically like a lesser form from something that was used to shape the world?
 
You only provided one scan for NEP, so I need scans for all of this.
Okay so.



Darkness is a principle alongside Light that exist prior to creation of Iruna, through them the gods use it to create a reality that is Iruna, Chaos is the state of existence before Iruna, stated as a dark world of swirling chaos with no boundaries or anything left, the gods created Iruna as existence and then The Gap/Void as non-existence.



Because of it darkness exist a nothingness prior to the framework of existence and non-existence even exist.

Which would be more nothingness than nothingness:

「俺はあいつらの為にも、この力で世界を無に還す!」
“For their sake as well, I will use this power to return the world to nothingness!”

「俺はこの力でこの腐敗した世界の記憶を全て吸収し、この汚れた世界を無に還す!」
“With this power, I will absorb all the memories of this corrupted world and return this tainted world to nothingness!”
 
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