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Saikou_The_Lewd_King

The King of all Things Lewd
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Oh boy the HUGE revision I'm getting with here.

AP
Anyway, uh, this guy creates a "Phantom City", except there is a moon in it. And when he dies, the whole place fades away too. Despite these worlds being called "Illusions", they are clearly physical (Such as Rock being hurt by them on occasion). While we do have another character who creates another world with a supposed "Sunset" in it, I'd rather play safe and just use what we were shown.

Rock beats that guy. Like, he's literally the first enemy of the manga. So she, along with everyone else worth a damn would scale to this 5-A feat.

Also new scaling. First off, Dead's keys should just be fused. She has shown equal power before and after her transformation. No need for a key. Secondly, not only has BRS blocked hits from Ram before her supposed "upgrade", but there are no reasons to assume that she had any upgrades at all from absorbing Dead's soul. So Rock's keys should also be removed, and she would receive the "possibly 4-A" from Ram.

However, it could be higher than 4-A. Though we know very little about it, it seems like the Threshold is considered a world much like the "Real World", Hell, or Heaven.

It seems weird for the Threshold to be considered that much smaller than "Earth" or the other realms. Alongside Ram wanting to reduce the Threshold to nothingness, this could mean Low 2-C for the feat. Otherwise, I'm fine with just 5-A to 4-A.

Speed
Not sure if this will get a pass, but Ram described the Threshold as a place without time and without any directions. This may be a bit hyperbole-y, but if legit, it could be considered Infinite speed for anything living in it. Which is everyone.

If not, everyone should be Unknown out of a lack of others speed feats.

Powers
This is a list of abilities that should apply to all Stagnant Souls and Black Stars as well, given that they are pretty much the same thing. Even if it was only shown by one person

-Reality Warping (They're capable of creating and manipulating their realms)

-Transmutation (Shown when this gal turned souls into objects)

-Non-Corporeal (They are souls after all)

-Soul Manipulation (They can harm other souls. Stagnant Souls can bring in other souls into their realms and control them. Black Shooters can transform souls into harmless little balls and then eat them)

-Mind Manipulation (They can force people to see their memories)

-Spatial and Time Manipulation: One soul causes a space warp. Which then causes a time loop. Somehow.
 
AP: Fine with 5-A and possibly 4-A. Not sure about Universal.

Speed: Kinda skeptical about this, this could just be purple prose/hyperbole. It's not the first time something has been described as being timeless, yet isn't literally timeless.

Powers: I can go along with stagnant souls and black stars all possessing these powers.

I agree with the powers proposed. Was not sure about mindhax at first, but Saik elaborated on it in PMs that those men are the memories of a tiger forcibly sent to BRS' mind.
 
Normally I'd say no, but the Homing aspect really adds complexity to the pattern, so I guess it would fit.
 
I'm fine as well with 5-A to possiblt 4-A, but I don't know about 2-C.

I'd rather hesitate about infinitie speed, until someone give some input.

Everything seems okay except from non-corporeality, being a soul not always means incorporeality, maybe intangibility.
 
That's not really what intangibility does though.

Intangibility is just a power that lets you become impossible to touch. Non-corporeal meanwhile is a state of being from beings who do not possesses physical bodies in the first place.

"Non-Corporeal (or Incorporeal) beings are those who have no true physical form. Though they may have physical avatars or bodies, but their true essence exists non-physically, whether as a soul, as energy, or as an abstract concept. Being non-corporeal is very different than Intangibility, as an intangible being's body is their true body, it just can't be affected by conventional physical forces"
 
Pretty sure we treat souls as non-corporeal by default unless it's clearly contradicted. Which isn't here, given that only Souls interact with other Souls.
 
Why do you think that possibly creating a moon in an explicitly stated to be mostly illusory world would be a 5-A or 4-A feat, much less Low 2-C?

In addition, to quote our Speed page:

"Characters who showcase the ability to move freely and naturally in a timeless void may qualify for an infinite speed rating so long as it is not a huge Outlier or Plot-Induced Stupidity or Inconsistency. Such feats will have to be very carefully evaluated on a case-by-case basis."

If this is very inconsistent with the other speed displays in the verse, i.e. an ill-considered plot-convenience, and it is also uncertain if it is a truly timeless void in the first place, rather than just a vacuum, we cannot use it.
 
I've already proved that it being called Illusory was misleading, as it is clearly physical. 5-A simply comes from creating a realm large enough to host a moon.

4-A and Low 2-C are unrelated to the above. Rather, it's the destruction of the entire Threshold, an alternate dimension to Earth and Heaven. 4-A comes from visible stars in the world, while Low 2-C would come from the implication of the Threshold being comparable to the real-world or Heaven.

Well the manga HAS other no speed feat display. Problem comes mainly from the fact that the quote may be more poetic than literal.
 
We tend to rate creating a moon as 5-C.

If there are many visible stars in the sky, then that is 4-A, yes.

Well, infinite is a ridiculously high speed rating. It should not be applied haphazardly, if there are strong contradictions.
 
Creating a realm with a moon means you ALSO create the distance to the moon, though.

Said distance being larger than Jupiter and Saturn combined.
 
That is not how we rated Kaguya from a similar feat though. I suppose that it depends on whether you created the realm itself, or just the contents within it.

That said, creation feats are very hard to define proper standards for.
 
Yet we rated plenty of characters like that. Pretty sure Kaguya's feat would have been an outlier anyway, since we don't accept Tier 4 Kaguya.

Here it's most likely the realm itself, considering that a sky is created for each realm and all.
 
Well, "At least 4-A" seems fine for creating a sky full of stars.
 
I did the edits.

Added everything except Infinite speed and Low 2-C. If anyone wants to debate the latter they can. But I preferred only 4-A for now.
 
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