Incorporating the Halloween Comics CRT

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To make a profile for his comics, I've reread most of the Halloween comics and have actually found that most of them could fit rather smoothly into the timelines they cover.

The Chaos Comics explicitly cover the Cult of Thorn storyline with Tommy Doyle in 2000 and Michael (probably) dies in 2001 by the hands of his sister in its own version of H20 where it's explicitly Michael under the mask and his head is left at the crime scene. The live action version has it be a paramedic (this is hinted at with "Michael" showing uncharacteristic panic when he's pinned and reaching for help).

The Devil's Due comics by Hutchinson are explicitly canon to the live action H20 verse that decanonize Thorn

Death Manipulation
It's heavily implied that Michael caused this fat kid to die
Madness Manipulation
implied that Michael's presence drove his cell mates further into madness
Fear Manipulation
Michael was considered the model patient by doctors aside from Loomis, but still scared his fellow patients
At least Class 5 LS
H2 novel says he can tear apart humans without effort


Except Weather Manipulation, which is implied to be caused by Technology Manipulation rather than a storm, these powers are demonstrated in the 1978 novelization which partly goes over Michael's days in Smiths Grove.

The upgrades H20 Michael exclusively gets are:​

Fate Manipulation
Fate is a heavy theme within these comics, victims speculate that Michael plans their fates, and this is confirmed by the writer
At least Genius Intelligence
Michael in the Nightdance comic has a ridiculous intelligence feat of killing Macie's relatives, and then killing Macie herself before her fiance Ryan days later when she runs into one of his victims outside of a house weeks later, and then terrorizing another group of teenagers (one of them, Lisa, who he had terrorized several years prior). Eventually Ryan and Lisa meet up in Macie's relatives house and chase Michael. Michael lures them to the house, knowing that in doing so Ryan is suspected for Lisa's friend-group murder), Michael cuts out Ryan's tongue and tricks the police into shooting him dead. Michael then buries Lisa alive, and it's revealed that that same house is where Michael had terrorized her years before.
Class 1 LS
At the hospital he was blown up, all they found was a firefighter with his neck snapped. He also does it here.
Abstract Existence Type 2(?), Teleportation, Empowerment, Immortality Type 1 and 8
Here

Weapon Mastery
Able to make precise cuts that impress surgeons
Martial Arts
It's implied he would stomp the entire police force. Subdues 2 people
Paralysis Enducement
Paralyzed this girl
Retrocognition
Showed this girl his past

The upgrades Thorn Myers exclusively gets:​

Resurrection
Was a stillborn, but resurrected at the last second
Small Building level key
For this feat. H6 states he gets stronger over time so there's no inconsistency.
Weather Manipulation
He likely caused this lightning strike. Considering that past cultists could summon storms, and he is considered their ultimate evil, and this struck right after a patient pissed Michael off, I don't believe it's coincidence
Possession
Final Chaos Comic run reveals that Laurie became the Shape after decapitating him. She is far weaker, however.
Immortality Type 6
Via possession
Teleportation
From this Halloween 6 feat
Martial Arts
From a deleted, albeit canon, scene of him stomping a SWAT team. Should also have this from stomping a police station in H4
Empowerment
Loomis states he grows stronger with time
Resistance to Electricity Manipulation
H6 feat


I've done a rough blog post of what his Thorn profile could look like here.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Death Manipulation
It's heavily implied that Michael caused this fat kid to die

Maybe a “Possibly Death Manipulation” since it’s not 100% confirmed so.

At least Genius Intelligence
Michael in the Nightdance comic has a ridiculous intelligence feat of killing Macie's relatives, and then killing Macie herself before her fiance Ryan days later when she runs into one of his victims outside of a house weeks later, and then terrorizing another group of teenagers (one of them, Lisa, who he had terrorized several years prior). Eventually Ryan and Lisa meet up in Macie's relatives house and chase Michael. Michael lures them to the house, knowing that in doing so Ryan is suspected for Lisa's friend-group murder), Michael cuts out Ryan's tongue and tricks the police into shooting him dead. Michael then buries Lisa alive, and it's revealed that that same house is where Michael had terrorized her years before.

This doesn’t look like anywhere close to Genius. It seems like a “At least Above Average” or maybe “possibly Gifted”.

Abstract Existence Type 2(?), Teleportation, Empowerment, Immortality Type 1 and 8
From this writer statement

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Paralysis Enducement
Paralyzed this girl

It just looks like she was paralyzed from fear, a figure of speech most of the time.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Death Manipulation
It's heavily implied that Michael caused this fat kid to die

The kid had severe burns all over his body and died of natural causes weeks later. Not really evidence of death manip given how vague the feat is.

Madness Manipulation
implied that Michael's presence drove his cell mates further into madness

More valid than the other points, but I do want to point out that this is a mental institution. These kids were mentally ill in the first place, I don't think them getting worse is something that can 100% be pinpointed to Michael

Fear Manipulation
Michael was considered the model patient by doctors aside from Loomis, but still scared his fellow patients

Social Influencing/Stealth, maybe, but not fear manip. He was considered a model patient because all he did all day was sit and stare. He got away with everything he did and was never blamed, so the doctors thought he was a well-behaved patient. Loomis, however, knew what he was really doing and reacted accordingly.

As for the kids, they have to live with this guy. They know he's scary and are reacting accordingly. Fear Manip implies a supernatural inducement of fear, but this is just "that kid is creepy, i will act accordingly"

I agree with HorrorHistory's points above. I've read this issue and saw some problems with the proposals, but the rest I won't comment on.

 

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Maybe a “Possibly Death Manipulation” since it’s not 100% confirmed so.

I'd settle for a likely. Loomis is generally the Cassandra within the verse.

This doesn’t look like anywhere close to Genius. It seems like a “At least Above Average” or maybe “possibly Gifted” or somewhere around Gifted.

I think you're significantly overestimating average intelligence if you think anyone could plan such events in advance since his plan required allowing a victim to escape to stop Ryan and Macie's car, kidnapping Macie, slaughtering Lisa's friends, baiting Lisa into a chase that meets her with Ryan, and causing their encounter to bait the police, tricking the police into shooting Ryan, among other meticulous planning. It's hard to do it justice, but it's Light Yagami type stuff

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Fixed

It just looks like she was paralyzed from fear, a figure of speech most of the time.

Could be. He choked her beforehand.

 

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The kid had severe burns all over his body and died of natural causes weeks later. Not really evidence of death manip given how vague the feat is.

The scan I posted imply the burns had nothing to do with it. Delayed death by burns wouldn't fall under "natural causes"

More valid than the other points, but I do want to point out that this is a mental institution. These kids were mentally ill in the first place, I don't think them getting worse is something that can 100% be pinpointed to Michael

It's enough for Loomis to comment on. The whole place is filled with creeps, but their deterioration was alarming enough for Loomis to notice

Social Influencing/Stealth, maybe, but not fear manip. He was considered a model patient because all he did all day was sit and stare. He got away with everything he did and was never blamed, so the doctors thought he was a well-behaved patient. Loomis, however, knew what he was really doing and reacted accordingly.

As for the kids, they have to live with this guy. They know he's scary and are reacting accordingly. Fear Manip implies a supernatural inducement of fear, but this is just "that kid is creepy, i will act accordingly"

The sanitarium is noted by Loomis to be filled with teenagers and extremely disturbed individuals, not too few of them killers. Under normal circumstances, Loomis says it would be considered inhuman for a young boy like Michael. Not just them but the orderlies too who're used to these types. It's unlikely they simply got the creeps from Michael seemingly sitting all day.

 

[HorrorHistory]

I think you're significantly overestimating average intelligence if you think anyone could plan such events in advance since his plan required allowing a victim to escape to stop Ryan and Macie's car, kidnapping Macie, slaughtering Lisa's friends, baiting Lisa into a chase that meets her with Ryan, and causing their encounter to bait the police, tricking the police into shooting Ryan, among other meticulous planning. It's hard to do it justice, but it's Light Yagami type stuff

These seem like Gifted feats at best. It’s good planning, but nowhere near the Genius-level people like Light Yagami, Hannibal Lecter, John Kramer, etc., or even real world individuals like Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking. People like Chucky even have similar levels of planning and yet it only warrants Gifted intellect.

 

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These seem like Gifted feats at best. It’s good planning, but nowhere near the Genius-level people like Light Yagami, Hannibal Lecter, John Kramer, etc., or even real world individuals like Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking. People like Chucky even have similar levels of planning and yet it only warrants Gifted intellect.

Well that’s different types of intelligence which is a broad category within VsBattles, and the one those fictional characters and Myers falls into is strategy, planning, foresight, etc. Einstein or Hawking aren’t planning people’s actions months or even days in advance like Kramer or Yagami, and those 2 likewise aren’t writing theories on relativity and black holes.

If we consider “Gifted” as extremely smart by irl standards and “Genius” as superhuman then Myers planning events weeks, possibly even years, in advance that considers precisely several different people is quite plainly superhuman a la Jigsaw or Kira. A category Chucky doesn’t come close to since his best feat was framing a disabled girl, which was just one step of Myers’s plan here

 

[HorrorHistory]

Well that’s different types of intelligence which is a broad category within VsBattles, and the one those fictional characters and Myers falls into is strategy, planning, foresight, etc. Einstein or Hawking aren’t planning people’s actions months or even days in advance like Kramer or Yagami, and those 2 likewise aren’t writing theories on relativity and black holes.

If we consider “Gifted” as extremely smart by irl standards and “Genius” as superhuman then Myers planning events weeks, possibly even years, in advance that considers precisely several different people is quite plainly superhuman a la Jigsaw or Kira. A category Chucky doesn’t come close to since his best feat was framing a disabled girl, which was just one step of Myers’s plan here

How do we know he was planning for years in advance? And planning for a few weeks isn’t Superhuman intelligence compared to Kramer and Yagami, since they plan long term strategies within days or even hours. Michael’s mix of foresight, strategy and overall intelligence doesn’t seem like Genius or superhuman intelligence. At best it would warrant Gifted. There are characters on this wiki who have better feats than Michael and are only Gifted.

 

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How do we know he was planning for years in advance? And planning for a few weeks isn’t Superhuman intelligence compared to Kramer and Yagami, since they plan long term strategies within days or even hours. Michael’s mix of foresight, strategy and overall intelligence doesn’t seem like Genius or superhuman intelligence. At best it would warrant Gifted. There are characters on this wiki who have better feats than Michael and are only Gifted.

It is mentioned that he encountered one of the girls 2 years prior when he locked her and a boy, who she was babysitting, in the basement of the house where he would again kill Ryan and her. I suggest you read the comic yourself since "Gifted at best" is wild, but I'll highlight the intelligence this covers:

Foresight - Michael predicting Ryan's crashout, parked his car near his murder-house, which he knew the police would notice, thereby framing him as a suspect. Michael knew Lisa and Ryan, two strangers for the most part and separate victims, would bump into each other outside Daniel's house, and prepared for that weeks prior by slaughtering Daniel's family there.
Emotional - Michael knew Ryan would freak out and pseudo-kidnap Lisa. Michael knew Lisa's would be protective and foolish enough to try and fight him, and he knew Lisa would chase him to save her friend. He knows all this having only watched them from afar.
Strategy - Michael himself acts on these people so that they coincidentally encounter each other at very precise times and locations, and he's killing and stalking around town while arousing zero suspicion until he wants to.

Those gifted characters should probably be bumped up to Genius if their feats are actually smarter than Michael since no real world human is planning out people's actions with this degree of precision in regards to time and location.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'll look over this when I get the chance.

 

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Bump

 

[Raincutter]

I'll look over this when I get the chance.

Yay or nay on the upgrades?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Death Manipulation
It's heavily implied that Michael caused this fat kid to die

Madness Manipulation
implied that Michael's presence drove his cell mates further into madness

I'm iffy on this because the entire plot of the comic is Michael being secretly evil and killing people in ways that no one other than Loomis recognizes

Fear Manipulation
Michael was considered the model patient by doctors aside from Loomis, but still scared his fellow patients

Fear manipulation however I can sorta get. Though in either case its over a long period of time and not really combat applicable.

At least Class 5 LS
H2 novel says he can tear apart humans without effort

The passage is about how he's as dispassionate about humans as humans are about flies. Its why the sentence ends with "no inner restraints, conscience, guilt."

So I don't see Class 5 being supported with just this quote alone.

Fate Manipulation
Fate is a heavy theme within these comics, victims speculate that Michael plans their fates, and this is confirmed by the writer

Planning things in advanced isn't fate manipulation.

Michael in the Nightdance comic has a ridiculous intelligence feat of killing Macie's relatives, and then killing Macie herself before her fiance Ryan days later when she runs into one of his victims outside of a house weeks later, and then terrorizing another group of teenagers (one of them, Lisa, who he had terrorized several years prior). Eventually Ryan and Lisa meet up in Macie's relatives house and chase Michael. Michael lures them to the house, knowing that in doing so Ryan is suspected for Lisa's friend-group murder), Michael cuts out Ryan's tongue and tricks the police into shooting him dead. Michael then buries Lisa alive, and it's revealed that that same house is where Michael had terrorized her years before.

These are the intelligence definitions:

Above Average: Characters that show greater cognitive ability than the norm, but do not particularly stand out in any intellectual or academic fields.

Gifted: Characters who demonstrate high reasoning ability, can master difficult concepts with few repetitions, and display high performance capability or notable mastery in intellectual or specific academic fields, which makes them equivalent to real-world experts in these areas.

Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, usually in one area of varying depth. This level of intellect is the level of real-world geniuses, polymaths, and genuinely extremely prominent intellectuals, and, in the absence of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters with exceptional or superhuman intelligence.

• Examples: L and Light Yagami (Death Note), Conan Edogawa (Detective Conan), Solid Snake (Metal Gear), Shikamaru Nara and Kakashi Hatake (Naruto), Colress (Pokémon)

To be a genius you have to show examples of being comparable to IRL geniuses, polymaths or some type of higher end intellect. I think Gifted for all of that fits better than Genius.

At the hospital he was blown up, all they found was a firefighter with his neck snapped. He also does it here.

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Abstract Existence Type 2(?), Teleportation, Empowerment, Immortality Type 1 and 8
Here

To all of them, no. The writer is explaining why Michael evolves and gets worse as stories progress. None of these are supported in actual text, movies or comics and such an upgrade would require something in the primary canon to back it up.

Weapon Mastery
Able to make precise cuts that impress surgeons

Sure

Martial Arts
It's implied he would stomp the entire police force. Subdues 2 people

The former is off screen and the later isn't martial arts. Its stabbing a guy before he can stab Michael and just overpowering someone weaker than him after she hits him with a piece of debris.

Paralysis Enducement
Paralyzed this girl

Dude he chocked her into unconscious the page before. That's not paralysis inducement that's just strangling someone.

Retrocognition
Showed this girl his past

I can vaguely see this, though the image can't be used on the profile without censoring.

Resurrection
Was a stillborn, but resurrected at the last second

It would be reliant immortality due to the curse, but yeah I can see this

Small Building level key
For this feat. H6 states he gets stronger over time so there's no inconsistency.

Well a few issues:

• How do we know that he tanked this? Per your previous power he can just die and come back
• The comic in the series has him die to decapitation from Laurie
• In this same series he's injured by bullets

Additionally the fire was spread due to gasoline covering the entire church, so I don't think he'd scale to the full value, just whatever would've hit him.

Weather Manipulation
He likely caused this lightning strike. Considering that past cultists could summon storms, and he is considered their ultimate evil, and this struck right after a patient pissed Michael off, I don't believe it's coincidence

If he does have this power, this would be with rituals/prep. Also though, said party was happening during a heavy rainstorm. So a lightning bolt just hitting the place and him exploiting it isn't unreasonable.

Possession
Final Chaos Comic run reveals that Laurie became the Shape after decapitating him. She is far weaker, however.


Immortality Type 6
Via possession

This feels more like a Thorn Druid thing than a Michael thing. Since this part of the universe was explaining why Michael was what he was with the Druid curse and occult stuff.

Teleportation
From this Halloween 6 feathttps://youtu.be/qJvytnXNjPc?t=176

I think we just consider this a speed feat considering he's done this before

Martial Arts
From a deleted, albeit canon, scene of him stomping a SWAT team. Should also have this from stomping a police station in H4

I mean this is the description

During the never-seen massacre, Myers even picks up an M16 rifle!

“There’s one guy, and I mean they show it, when they’re taking out one of the bodies, whose head is twisted around,” Shanks recalls. “They put the wardrobe on him backwards, and he looks like his head’s been twisted one hundred and eighty degrees. And another, the direction was, ‘Take an M16 rifle, and you’re just walking through these guys and killing them.’ There’s Donre Samson, a big tall black guy that I kill, and another one, I put the M16 through his head, and another guy, I break his neck and stomp on him, you know. The whole idea was that you’d hear everybody screaming (over the radio) when he’s killing everybody. So we did all these really quick shots. You know: ‘Pick this guy up. Knock this guy down. Stab this guy.'”

Nothing about this is martial arts. Its superior strength and using weapons to kill the team. Its no more Martial Arts than this is for Jason

Empowerment
Loomis states he grows stronger with time

Fine I guess

Resistance to Electricity Manipulation
H6 feat

Yeah I think this is fine

 

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I'm iffy on this because the entire plot of the comic is Michael being secretly evil and killing people in ways that no one other than Loomis recognizes

True, but the description in the scan fits Death Manip almost exactly. No signs of foul play, his heart just stopped. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Manipulation

The passage is about how he's as dispassionate about humans as humans are about flies. Its why the sentence ends with "no inner restraints, conscience, guilt."

So I don't see Class 5 being supported with just this quote alone.

I think this points to both strength and a lack of conscience. One, it's easy for him. Two, he has no more regard for human life than for a fly. There is also this scan from one of the O'Rourke novels

Planning things in advanced isn't fate manipulation.

The second scan has the writer clarify that he is fate.

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If that doesn't work, the scan is The First Death of Laurie Strode where he kills Jimmy

Well a few issues:

• How do we know that he tanked this? Per your previous power he can just die and come back
• The comic in the series has him die to decapitation from Laurie
• In this same series he's injured by bullets

Well, we know there's a limit to his immortality as Laurie decapped him, so Michael was in one piece. We know Michael can survive otherwise lethal wounds (shots to the brain, heart, etc.), so I think it'd be a stretch to assume it killed him without blowing him apart. And we also know he's tanked other explosions in the novels and H2 so I think it's a reasonable assumption to say he just straight tanked it

Several other characters are vulnerable to bullets but get to scale higher, here's just a few from off the top of my head:

Yor Forger - shot in the ass and suffered pain for a day; Wall Level+ for the volleyball feat
MCU Daredevil - shot in the head while wearing a bulletproof helmet, suffering a severe concussion; Small Building Level
TF2 cast - consistently harmed by bullets; Small Building Level for tanking explosions
Wei Shen - takes heavy damage from speeding cars and bullets; Small Building Level for surviving exploding buses and cars
Assassins Creed cast - consistently harmed by arrows, knives, and muskets; Small Building Level+ for scaling to exploding barrels and cannons

Seems like an unfair double standard.

Additionally the fire was spread due to gasoline covering the entire church, so I don't think he'd scale to the full value, just whatever would've hit him.\

The explosion originated from the generator so he'd scale to the full value

If he does have this power, this would be with rituals/prep. Also though, said party was happening during a heavy rainstorm. So a lightning bolt just hitting the place and him exploiting it isn't unreasonable.

He clearly didn't perform any ritual or prep, and I think it's extremely convenient it struck after she pissed him off and as she was bobbing for apples. But I understand it's not definite. I think a "Likely" or "Possibly" would be fair.

This feels more like a Thorn Druid thing than a Michael thing. Since this part of the universe was explaining why Michael was what he was with the Druid curse and occult stuff.

Could be, I'm inclined to believe he possessed her since she gained his mannerisms while, from we know, the other killers in the Myers family were just violent while Laurie gained his superhuman strength and durability.

I think it would give him Curse Manipulation, at least, so that anyone who kills him will be afflicted by the Thorn curse to take on his evil.

I think we just consider this a speed feat considering he's done this before

If it is a speed feat, then his travel speed needs to be buffed from peak human. Peak humans can't move so fast that they appear to teleport

 

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No signs of foul play, his heart just stopped.

That entire book is about how no one except Loomis noticed Michael killing people.

here is also this scan from one of the O'Rourke novels

That scan is a better example of a Class 5 feat, because he performs the feat. But that would only apply to Thorn Myers. The other one I don't see as enough.

The second scan has the writer clarify that he is fate.

As detailed with the abstract section, the author is talking about Michael being portrayed as more evil as time goes on. If he literally controlled fate how does he canonically get beaten by normal people?

If that doesn't work, the scan is The First Death of Laurie Strode where he kills Jimmy

Yeah that would count as Class 1

Well, we know there's a limit to his immortality as Laurie decapped him, so Michael was in one piece. We know Michael can survive otherwise lethal wounds (shots to the brain, heart, etc.), so I think it'd be a stretch to assume it killed him without blowing him apart. And we also know he's tanked other explosions in the novels and H2 so I think it's a reasonable assumption to say he just straight tanked it

The issues with the novel explosion is that it doesn't destroy the house and the H2 explosion put him into a coma. You're also suggesting a 128x upgrade, which isn't just "getting stronger" in terms of durability.

The explosion originated from the generator so he'd scale to the full value

If he didn't move away from it or die and come back, sure.

He clearly didn't perform any ritual or prep, and I think it's extremely convenient it struck after she pissed him off and as she was bobbing for apples. But I understand it's not definite. I think a "Likely" or "Possibly" would be fair.

I guess likely is fine with me to.

I think it would give him Curse Manipulation, at least, so that anyone who kills him will be afflicted by the Thorn curse to take on his evil.

Sure, though since the curse belongs to his family line it might be limited in some capacity.

If it is a speed feat, then his travel speed needs to be buffed from peak human. Peak humans can't move so fast that they appear to teleport

Michael is in a weird spot, because the profile accepts him with absurd stealth mastery in all forms. The closest we have is Jason who has similar feats. Personally, they look pretty similar in purpose, so I'd be fine with an upgrade of "Superhuman with Sub-Sonic reactions" like with Undead Jason.

 

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That entire book is about how no one except Loomis noticed Michael killing people.

That scan is a better example of a Class 5 feat, because he performs the feat. But that would only apply to Thorn Myers. The other one I don't see as enough.

That's fine, Class 5 for Thorn, Class 1 for H20

As detailed with the abstract section, the author is talking about Michael being portrayed as more evil as time goes on. If he literally controlled fate how does he canonically get beaten by normal people?

The author contrasts his portrayal with another Halloween tie in store that dealth with the theme of fate and a timeless, inevitable evil. He clarifies that in that story it was metaphorical, but in his story it's more literal. With that in mind, I don't think you can dismiss it as just figure of speech.

The Nightdance comic shows this as well as it's not fate manip to the extent that he's some God controlling everyone's lives but it shows more like superhuman luck as a lot of improbable things line up in his favor. It doesn't make him unbeatable, but it's still a power of his. Worth noting that in the H20 timeline, he's pretty dominant aside from Resurrection (whick sucks) and kills just about everyone he comes across, only leaving Loomis alive to mentally torment him.

The issues with the novel explosion is that it doesn't destroy the house and the H2 explosion put him into a coma. You're also suggesting a 128x upgrade, which isn't just "getting stronger" in terms of durability.

The H4 coma thing is overblown as Loomis states he was waiting., hence him instantly attacking upon hearing about his niece
It's a big leap, sure, but that in itself is not really a debunk as there's around a 22 year time gap (H2 to Chaos Comics) between his 2 biggest feats, and it's not like anyone really scales to Myers.

Sure, though since the curse belongs to his family line it might be limited in some capacity.

Fine

Michael is in a weird spot, because the profile accepts him with absurd stealth mastery in all forms. The closest we have is Jason who has similar feats. Personally, they look pretty similar in purpose, so I'd be fine with an upgrade of "Superhuman with Sub-Sonic reactions" like with Undead Jason.

Yeah that sounds good.