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This match is just a popularity contest filled with FRA's so I doubt anyone would botherno one saw this
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Ichigo Kurosaki vs March 7th (15-15-3)
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isnt argument that march has to hit ichigo with ice? if so then thats wrong cuz in this video she can clearly put ice on people without having to hit them
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You saw that breeze making the guns freeze? There you go. That has to reach him, and he has enough experience to not let those kinds of attack hit. He in character even dodges or getsugas waaaaaaay weaker (relative to him) attacks like against the Bambis. Combined with his multiple movement techs? Yeah.
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Well I did noticed this in the hax pageFirst part, unless that character has the following:
Or they scale their resistances some way to that
Higher-Dimensional Existence
A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions. Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of...vsbattles.fandom.com
- It's important to separate the case of Power or Potency from the case of Range or Area of Effect. A higher-dimensional character might be immune to regular mind manipulation due to being outside its range, but not due to their mind being fundamentally infinitely harder to affect
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Read that again. It's a specific circumstance. If the mind is proven to be higher dimensional, you need proof you can affect higher dimensional minds.
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The breeze appears on the guns, it wasnt shown that breeze goes from march to them so my point would still stand for that, does he have any way to predict her moves?
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It literally showed her hand glowing, the breeze came from her.
Also, yeah, look at his intelligence section.
Edit: And that's combined with his Information Analysis, Instinctive Actions and Analytical Prediction.
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Well, you made it with one of the most popular shonen protagonists against a popular mobile game character, so it was bound to get attention, especially since the former comes from one of the most popular shonen anime/manga series
Hellscream
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Ichigo goes HoS and kills her passively
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Sorry of it takes me a bit to reply, I am a bit busy, but I want to make my point clear since I think it is an important point of this match.
My argument isn't about HDE comprehension, but about the quality of the enhanced sense. I am unsure if I am being clear, so I will use an example.
There are two characters fighting. Character A is a conceptual higher dimensional being that, thanks to his nature, is invisibile. Character B is able to see a soul, said soul is invisible to people that are able to see souls, so B have "layered" enhanced senses. A match between Character A and Character B is made. Why should it be assumed that simply because character B have "layered" enhanced senses on souls than he would be able to see something much more complex, like something conceptual and higher dimensional? And in the same way, why should a character able to see conceptual 1-A+ souls not being able to see regular souls that are simply invisible to others that see souls?
It would basically be the same as arguing that a character with NPI that allow them to touch a Concept type 1 AE is unable to touch a character with Elemental Intangibility because the latter is layered. NPI and Enhanced Senses are abilities that cares first and foremost on the quality of the what is perceived and touched rather than the layers. This is why, to me, claiming that March is not able to see Ichigo when the former is able to see much more fondamental invisible beings (even Tier 1 at that) is an assumption that border on the NLF.
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I don't believe both character A and B are able to see each other. Character A is just range factor like this
I don't believe seeing things is good to being group together with a hax like EE that focuses on offense/destruction. But I'll let @LephyrTheRevanchist respond on what he thinks
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Honestly, that shouldn't be the main argument as it was placed with a "likely" rating on it — But yeah, I do agree. Both sides are wrong on this assumption, Ichigo being able to see March's soul despite it being something complex (1-A+) and March not being able to see Ichigo just because of his layered invisibility.
Regardless of that though, March could see something that has 1 layered invisibility like the Memokeeper for example since the Memokeeper allows March to see her — But, it wouldn't warrant an ability (I just happen to know this).
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Does Ichigo have to see her soul? Doesn't she have a physical 3D body here
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No, he doesn't but it shouldn't be assumed that March couldn't see Ichigo. That's the main point of what he was saying.
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Well with souls being it fundamental, I don't believe it upscales anything regarding it's invisibility (unless the wiki or a collective of staffs states it)
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It's atleast baseline invisibility, that's all there is since you know souls are incorporeal and incorporeal typically gets invisibility anyways
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I already agree with baseline invisibility. Just that ThanosX wants to argue that it would allow March to bypass invisbility layers
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I'm neutral, yeah. Since Ichigo doesn't really have any invisibility layers when it's a likely rating and to the fact that it's only implied in the scans. What I just want to reiterate is that it shouldn't be the main argument, that's all there is
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From I know, if an ability has a possible/likely rating, it can be restricted in the match depending on the OP but here I allow both chars to have all their abilities (so I wont get called biased)
Also, the hollow page (relates similarly to the shinigami's invisibility) doesn't have a likely rating but full on front enhanced invisibility
Hollow Physiology (Bleach)
Hollows (虚 (ホロウ), Horō) are a race of creatures which are born from Human souls who, for various reasons, do not cross over to Soul Society after their death and stay in the Human World for too long. They are corrupt spirits with supernatural powers which devour the souls of both living and...
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- Enhanced Invisibility (Tatsuki can clearly see normal souls but can only see Numb Chandelier as a blurred figure, actually she says she can't see it so the blur might just be for the readers, this also happens to Ichigo as a child, being able to see Fishbone D's lure but not his main body, and Yuzu, who can only see souls as a blur, being completely incapable of seeing Grand Fisher, This is supported by Grand Fisher being impressed by Karin's ability to see his main body despite the fact she'd shown the ability to see and hear his lure body)
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That's the soul, not the body though. Oh yeah, isn't the one who's rated as likely refers to their soul too? If so, then it shouldn't matter..From I know, if an ability has a possible/likely rating, it can be restricted in the match depending on the OP but here I allow both chars to have all their abilities (so I wont get called biased)
Also, the hollow page (relates similarly to the shinigami's invisibility) doesn't have a likely rating but full on front enhanced invisibility
Hollow Physiology (Bleach)
Hollows (虚 (ホロウ), Horō) are a race of creatures which are born from Human souls who, for various reasons, do not cross over to Soul Society after their death and stay in the Human World for too long. They are corrupt spirits with supernatural powers which devour the souls of both living and...
- Enhanced Invisibility (Tatsuki can clearly see normal souls but can only see Numb Chandelier as a blurred figure, actually she says she can't see it so the blur might just be for the readers, this also happens to Ichigo as a child, being able to see Fishbone D's lure but not his main body, and Yuzu, who can only see souls as a blur, being completely incapable of seeing Grand Fisher, This is supported by Grand Fisher being impressed by Karin's ability to see his main body despite the fact she'd shown the ability to see and hear his lure body)
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Honestly march is kinda lucky because I was planning to get Aizen to fight her instead. And he has 2x layered invisibility https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sosuke_Aizen
- Light Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Enhanced Invisibility & Further Enhanced Stealth Mastery (By bending light, a user of Kyokkō can make themselves or anything they desire invisible and can hide their Reiatsu, Reiryoku, or Kidō, even from Shinigami. Kyokkō is described as cutting through space to hide things)
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A matchup between her and Aizen shouldn't be added to the profiles, his reiatsu literally erases people dawg..
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Not physical erasure, she obviously resists soul erasure and the fundamental ones on the other hand.
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needs to be added, she has no imaginary energy listed (which she has)
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Oh then why Garrixian included it as an argument against Zeno? Since he erases your physical parts too
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I thought six phased ice was basically imaginary energy?
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Yeah, but the main argument comes from the in-character issue since it's basically unrealistic for Zeno to just use existence erasure against March
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its old ass ability from when she had only one key so yeah
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March vs Aizen matchup might be the worst since Aizen doesn't care much about March in the first place anyways (Aizen should be executed 
Why were they letting him live)
Why were they letting him live)
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Alright people, rules are rules, discuss other March matches and stuff on the discussion thread
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I think you aren't understanding properly my point. Being higher dimensional isn't range, the part you quote is a specific case of a character having his mind in a higher dimension, not of a character being higher dimensional in itself. For example, the Watcher from the MCU is a higher dimensional being, and because of his HDE is invisible to the eyes of others. This isn't a range problem, he physically arrive in the Universes that he is watching and he is still invisible because of his HDE nature, this is simply being invisible because of the complexity of his being compared to 3-D eyes.
Also, 1-A isn't higher dimensional. It's a qualitative jump, it's something that is metaphysically beyond any dimensional existence, so range here isn't the argument at all. If a character is able to see something metaphysicslly beyond anything else, how can just being invisible because you are a soul be of any importance, even if it's layered? It's like saying that a 3-D hax can contend with a 1-A hax because the former is layered, it doesn't make sense to me.
But in general, let's remove the higher dimensional part entirely. If Character A is a conceptual being invisible to the eyes of others, and Character B have this so called "layered" enhanced senses because of perceving souls invisible to people able to see souls, why should character B be assumed to see Character A, if this guy is a far more fundamental being (a concept)?
This is what I am saying. Layered enhanced senses kicks in when two characters are in the same ball park (souls to souls or concepts to concepts), but when one is able to see concepts (accepted by the wiki to be something far more fundamental) than why being layered in the soul department should be important? Enhanced Sense is a hax that gives important to the quality of what is perceived, not the layering.
After this comment, I wont continue this debate further since the match seems to already be in the Inconclusive grace, so it is useless to continue this debate. Thank you for the discussion, it was pretty fun for me.
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And that's what matters in the end, amen
