Pretty sure this was already debated, and I believe it was concluded that March seeing conceptual 1-A+ souls would allow her to see a 3 dimensional soul regardless of how layered the invisibility was. And if that wasn't the general consesous than that's definitely how I see it going, since it would make little sense to me that someone able to see conceptual Tier 1 souls would have troubles seeing a regular 3 dimensional soul, imho.
Also grace time gets resetted because the change of dynamics. It was graced for Ichigo and then grace for incon
No that was refuted as I remember. Seeing conceptual souls only grants you baseline enhanced senses
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March was able to see and talk with the Messenger, the context when Welt said that (The feat for layered invisibility): Welt and Himeko wasn't able to see the Messenger and it's the Trailblazer who could see it since the Messenger allows it.
Don't know why it's not on the profile though, Enryu and Aernasilver are the ones who work on the profile so this could be revised, yeah.
yes, so unless she actually needs layered invisibility sensing feat which she has + black swan has already that listed on her profile i think she can see ichigo, if not i can just quickly drop a crt and solve it
Yes but that's a non factor in regarding invisibility
Okey boss
Actually, no one said anything else about that argument after the conceptual nature of souls was pointed out. If the Invisibility was something active, like Camouflage of something, I could get behind it, but it is caused by his nature as a Shinigami/soul. Considering that March can sense being far more complex than that (conceptual 1-A+ stuff), Ichigo being undetectable to her seems a big assumption to me, that kinda even borders on the NLF territory. But again, that's my opinion, people can disagree with it.
Grace for inconclusive restarted here, btw
Having HDE comprehension doesn't mean you can see something that has layered invisibility
What you think of ThanatosX's comment?
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Well both characters can fight it. Ichigo's soul hax is countered by March's forcefield while March's ice is countered by Ichigo's dodging skill, speed amps and layered invisibility
7th's ice is 1A+ so it would be a game of who can one shot first.
Which is why I'm going with incon.
I know. I was the first to vote on that. But your comment made it seem Ichigo has 1-A soulhax, he doesn't. His soul hax isn't a wincon at all here.
Btw if you have uncountable layers of soul damage, would it be like soul damage on 4D level?
Ok so which is better, uncountable layers of soul damage or 4D soul damage?
4-D because dimensionality > layers
Well, it is a fairly competitive match thanks to their respective mentalities and their different ability interactions. It's unironically one of the most fair matches I'd seen in a while
Ok so does that apply to every ability? Like EE, Fate manip and etc
As long as those layers aren't 4-D themselves, that'd be correct. And yes, this applies to all haxes, except really weird interactions (but that's something specific that has to be analyzed case by case)
Huh, I always thought haxes like ee/fate manip that works on a higher dimensional is just range and doesn't effect the layering system
Ok for like hax to be 4D, does it mean it must effect a 4D cosmology or would simply effecting a 2-C character is ok?
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First part, unless that character has the following:
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Because we already take into account for the current votes.no one saw this
