Hypersonic MHA questioning/possible calc removal?

[Thebadtimetrio32]

Right before making this thread, I realized that we also use Deku blitzing bullets for Hypersonic, so rather this will be focusing on a major calc that is used on the wiki, one that's even on main calculations for speed.

I'm here because I'm confused about why Ida's calc of blitzing Stain's slash right before hitting Shoto is used. There's a couple things I question about it, but if I'm wrong please let me know

First things first, I wanna talk about the method of the calc, more rather the speed used for it. Stain being faster than Ingenium's normal speed is without a doubt true, however I think Stain's speed should be much more than that.

On the profile, we have 5% Deku equal if not faster than Ingenium's reciprocal burst, which is the thing that preforms the feat I'm getting into. The thing with this is: On the Stain profile, it's accepted that Stain himself can outpace this same 5% Deku, and imo should be the same as the one who was doing the feat against Todoroki that Ida's reciprocal burst even blitzed.

To me, it sounds like:

5% Deku => Reciprocal burst

Reciprocal Burst >>> Holding Back Stain

Holding Back Stain > 5% Deku?

Honestly, to me it sounds like the calc is inconsistent. On first glance, it really sounds like 5% Deku => Reciprocal Burst >>> Holding Back Stain > 5% Deku. Like I said, if I'm wrong on this and am misunderstanding the calc or scaling that is used here, please let me know, but I wanted to voice the complaint just in case it's valid and it needs changing. Thank you for listening.

 

[TheRustyOne]

The profile is overexaggerating Stain's speed, since he admitted Recipro Burst Iida was fast. And he stated Izuku's power was lacking.

Stain was "holding back" by not trying to kill Izuku, he wouldn't slow himself down. Izuku was able to move around him and land a direct hit, they're all comparable.

The current speed scaling comes from Number 6's base speed being Mach 8.58, with Izuku's calculation supporting that Hypersonic rating.

I thought we removed Iida's calculation from the main calculation page? I swear there use to be a thread, but I cannot find it...am I going mad?

However, Iida isn't blitzing Stain he's just kicking his sword before it hits Todoroki. Stain reacted to Iida fine and even blocked his strike. Stain couldn't avoid the kick breaking his sword because he's committed to that movement already. He isn't capable of stopping himself because he'd need to decelerate all of his speed first.

Imaging throwing a punch at full speed, once it reaches full speed you normally cannot stop it mid swing. The same case here, Stain's reached full speed and cannot stop.

Just wanted to make that clear.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

The profile is overexaggerating Stain's speed, since he admitted Recipro Burst Iida was fast. And he stated Izuku's power was lacking.

Stain was "holding back" by not trying to kill Izuku, he wouldn't slow himself down. Izuku was able to move around him and land a direct hit, they're all comparable.

Yea that makes sense to me, Stain was fighting on par with each of them individually (besides Shoto, he kind of embarrassed him). I was just confused cause the scaling seemed ciruclar

I thought we removed Iida's calculation from the main calculation page? I swear there use to be a thread, but I cannot find it...am I going mad?

Nah it's still there along the Deku calc, although shouldn't the mach 8.58 Number 6 calc be on the main calcuations page? It's definitely higher than Mach 7 and is used as the speed rating for characters.

However, Iida isn't blitzing Stain he's just kicking his sword before it hits Todoroki. Stain reacted to Iida fine and even blocked his strike. Stain couldn't avoid the kick breaking his sword because he's committed to that movement already. He isn't capable of stopping himself because he'd need to decelerate all of his speed first.

Imaging throwing a punch at full speed, once it reaches full speed you normally cannot stop it mid swing. The same case here, Stain's reached full speed and cannot stop.

I understand the analogy, and I kinda figured this was the idea for it. Is the idea also that Ida's travel speed should be >> Stain's? Cause Stain's travel speed should be at an all time high like you said, but his combat speed would be at it's highest too I think? So it seems like Ida here would be moving much faster than his travel or combat speed, I understand what you're saying though.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Yeah, Stain can't travel as fast as Iida can. Being able to react and block his attack doesn't mean he can run at the same speed.

However, Iida's calculation should be removed from the main calculation page.

Number 6 is on the main calculation page, although it could be labeled better to show it makes Number 6 Mach 8.58.

 

[Therefir]

As you can see on Stain's page, his running speed is only Superhuman, and in the anime he was running towards Shoto with his sword extended, so what Iida really "blitzed" was Stain's running speed, not his combat speed.

Stain was able to block an attack from Recipro Burst Iida a few moments later, meaning his combat speed is comparable while his running speed is vastly inferior.

Same thing applies when he fought 5% Deku, Stain doesn't have the feats to scale to 5% Deku's movement speed, but his combat speed does scales.

I agree with the calc being moved to the secondary calcs section and adding Base Number 6's speed.

 

[Thebadtimetrio32]

As you can see on Stain's page, his running speed is only Superhuman, and in the anime he was running towards Shoto with his sword extended, so what Iida really "blitzed" was Stain's running speed, not his combat speed.

Stain was able to block an attack from Recipro Burst Iida a few moments later, meaning his combat speed is comparable while his running speed is vastly inferior.

Same thing applies when he fought 5% Deku, Stain doesn't have the feats to scale to 5% Deku's movement speed, but his combat speed does scales.

I agree with the calc being moved to the secondary calcs section and adding Base Number 6's speed.

Ah ic, that's good enough for me. How much votes do I need to move the calc to secondary then?