Honkai: Star Rail — Vandalism stuff

[Voidnether]

This CRT serves to fix any vandalism that has no CRTs attached to it, with additional justifications + scans.

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• Immortality (Types 2, 3) + Regeneration (Mid) So, this is an inherent trait that each and every Self-Annihilators have — In which they're able to talk whilst having their heads decapitated + Self-Annihilators straight up reattach their decapitated heads later on.

• Resistance to Imaginary Energy
Well, given it was already established very, very back then when Astral Express cast profile were created in which they have Resistance to Imaginary Energy due to Doomsday Beast + Cocolia — I propose that Emanators would have resistance to this, given neither Acheron or Aventurine were affected and the Astral Express cast when they fought in Penacony. Acheron's imaginary energy is passive the moment she unsheathed her sword against Aventurine, and it was later on explained Aventurine survived due to the Cornerstones but it was mainly about Acheron's Path of Nihility. Astral Express cast straight up resisted it cause they fought enemies like Doomsday Beast or Cocolia before the Penacony Arc even happened.

When you guys were unraveling the secrets beneath the Penacony's surface, I already fell into the Primordial Dreamscape. The Preservation's Cornerstone shielded me from the contamination of the Nihility, but in doing so, it completely shattered to smithereens.

• Extraordinary Genius Combat Intelligence
Jingliu stays, the rest aren't as you don't have to be Extraordinary Genius too just to be on par / equal to them — Jingliu's justification, I believe is the most straightforward example of Extraordinary Genius combatant hence I have no problem with it.

That is all, I won't be covering Aeon Physiology as that would be on Shiroiyo and I also wouldn't be covering for Low 2-C either when Trailblazer later had a plan to be 1-B
(I already removed its Low 2-C)

Some information though, I have removed the Immortality stuff (and regeneration) but if this is accepted then I would add it back: However I haven't removed Resistance to Imaginary Energy stuff yet for Emanators, I plan to change the justifications entirely and I haven't changed the Extraordinary Genius combatant rating to Genius combatant for those that scales off to Jingliu. Like I said in the thread, I would do it later on when I have the time but yeah. That's it.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems good to me.

@JustSomeWeirdo @Theglassman12 @Duedate8898 @Armorchompy @CrimsonStarFallen @LordTracer @Emirp sumitpo

What do you think about this?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Looks good

 

[Furina003]

• Immortality (Types 2, 3) + Regeneration (Mid) So, this is an inherent trait that each and every Self-Annihilators have — In which they're able to talk whilst having their heads decapitated + Self-Annihilators straight up reattach their decapitated heads later on.

This immortality is intended for Acheron, right? If so, I actually agree with immortality and regeneration, but what makes me confused is, what is the connection between a character who can regenerate his head and Acheron? Is there a scan if their immortality and regeneration abilities are the same? Even though they are both Self-Annihilators, the immortality and regeneration abilities should have their own scans if Acheron is able to do the same thing because this is an individual ability.

 

[EddisherSound]

Agree

 

[Voidnether]

This immortality is intended for Acheron, right? If so, I actually agree with immortality and regeneration, but what makes me confused is, what is the connection between a character who can regenerate his head and Acheron? Is there a scan if their immortality and regeneration abilities are the same? Even though they are both Self-Annihilators, the immortality and regeneration abilities should have their own scans if Acheron is able to do the same thing because this is an individual ability.

It's an inherent trait, not an individual one,
it simply refers to Self-Annihilators as a whole. An example of this would be like this:

The shadow of Nihility covers the stars equally, and Self-Annihilators may form in any world. If we call them phenomena, these poor souls do share one thing in common: Their various existential properties — such as corporeal body, mental cognition, and personal memories... will gradually fade away in their journey of self-annihilation.

If it were to be an individual ability, then it's mostly Acheron vs Zephyro scenario where Zephyro doesn't necessarily have Acheron's abilities and vice versa even if they're both Self Annihilators but in this case: The Immortality stuff is just something that they all have tbh

 

[PedjaTarzan]

agreed

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

• Extraordinary Genius Combat Intelligence
Jingliu stays, the rest aren't as you don't have to be Extraordinary Genius too just to be on par / equal to them — Jingliu's justification, I believe is the most straightforward example of Extraordinary Genius combatant hence I have no problem with it.

We don't give such ratings to combat skill anymore, as highlighted in the Intelligence Page:

Unlike general intelligence, combat skill is not ranked on a scale with labels like "Genius" or "Supergenius." Due to the many factors involved, a simple rating system would fail to accurately capture a character's combat proficiency. For instance, it wouldn’t make sense to say someone who can learn any real-world martial art by watching it for a minute is necessarily superior to someone who has mastered a single martial art to a superhuman level. These are different types of skill that can’t be easily compared.

Using one-word ratings for combat skill could lead to misunderstandings, as a higher rating wouldn’t always mean that a character is objectively more skilled than someone with a lower rating. To avoid this confusion and better represent a character's abilities, we omit such ratings.

Just wanted to point that out. No comment on the rest yet. Will comeback later.

 

[Voidnether]

We don't give such ratings to combat skill anymore, as highlighted in the Intelligence Page:


Just wanted to point that out. No comment on the rest yet. Will comeback later.

Alright, so it's only the matter of like removing the intelligence rating and just like keep the justification but on an entirely different tabber from the main intelligence one (for combat?) Also bump btw

 

[TrueBK98]

Phainon, this is his justification for being a Lord Ravager:

(Bearing countless coreflames from 33 million cycles and been gazed upon by Nanook, the Aeon of Destruction, Phainon ascended to the status of a Lord Ravager, an Emanator of Destruction, making him capable of incinerating entire galaxies, something he has demonstrated in battle against Zephyro, another Lord Ravager.

• There's no scan of his "ascension".
• His body was constantly being burned away because of the coreflames.
• Being gazed upon alone is not enough to a Lord Ravager. Trailblazer got gazed upon by multiple Aeons. Feixiao got gazed upon by Lan even though she was already an Emanator. Cyrene got gazed upon by Fuli and she didn't become an Emanator.
• 3-B character destroying galaxies doesn't mean that he's a Lord Ravager.
• Btw, this link, "demonstrated in battle against Zephyro", does not show the fight.
• In Pom-Pom's Intel, Lord Ravagers have their lives spared and their annihilation delayed. That wasn't the case for Phainon. He didn't obey Nanook even once to be a Lord Ravager.

Acheron's profile has this:

it is eventually implied that she is also capable of killing IX, The Nihility.

• That's her end goal and it hasn't happened yet. Shouldn't be there until she finally accomplished it.

 

[Furina003]

It's an inherent trait, not an individual one,
it simply refers to Self-Annihilators as a whole. An example of this would be like this:

If it were to be an individual ability, then it's mostly Acheron vs Zephyro scenario where Zephyro doesn't necessarily have Acheron's abilities and vice versa even if they're both Self Annihilators but in this case: The Immortality stuff is just something that they all have tbh

give me scene that mentions that their physiology is what gives them immortality and regeneration, because the text you gave only mentions one of their similarities is that their bodies are constantly corrupted, not that they get immortality or regeneration. so it doesn't prove anything

The shadow of Nihility covers the stars equally, and Self-Annihilators may form in any world. If we call them phenomena, these poor souls do share one thing in common: Their various existential properties — such as corporeal body, mental cognition, and personal memories... will gradually fade away in their journey of self-annihilation.

 

[Voidnether]

give me scene that mentions that their physiology is what gives them immortality and regeneration, because the text you gave only mentions one of their similarities is that their bodies are constantly corrupted, not that they get immortality or regeneration. so it doesn't prove anything

???
It should be blatant enough tbh

 

[Furina003]

???
It should be blatant enough tbh

I don't understand why it's called blatant, it's just a depiction of each of them experiencing corruption, not with get immortality or regeneration.

 

[Voidnether]

I don't understand why it's called blatant, it's just a depiction of each of them experiencing corruption, not with get immortality or regeneration.

Yeah and it's for everyone that becomes a self-annihilator, their immortality and regeneration is also the same when Acheron as a self-annihilator walked the farthest anyway. Why wouldn't Acheron upscale when she's the "Emanator" herself?

 

[Furina003]

Yeah and it's for everyone that becomes a self-annihilator, their immortality and regeneration is also the same when Acheron as a self-annihilator walked the farthest anyway. Why wouldn't Acheron upscale when she's the "Emanator" herself?

Scanning this is what I want to see.. they are both corrupted does not necessarily mean they have the same immortality and regeneration. the scan must be clear. if there is a mention that immortality and regeneration are obtained from their physiology then I will agree and if there is no then I disagree for immortality type 2 and regeneration aimed at acheron. I will not argue further if there is no such scan. it will only complicate the evaluation of this crt

 

[Voidnether]

Scanning this is what I want to see, if there is no. they are both corrupted does not necessarily mean they have the same immortality and regeneration. the scan must be clear. if there is a mention that immortality and regeneration are obtained from their physiology then I will agree and if there is no then I disagree for immortality type 2 and regeneration aimed at acheron. I will not argue further if there is no such scan. it will only complicate the evaluation of this crt

It's not a single individual, it's a group. In the next Part (3), it's explained that they're a group of Sin Thisters. Which literally equate that their immortality and regeneration isn't just for one specific unnamed Self-Annihilator

Ember Universe: After the destruction subsides, a group of "Sin Thirsters" emerge from the void, feeding on the sense of guilt. They appear fleetingly, and dance around in jubilation, having gained a new lease on life. They represent the souls of the deceased: the Swarm that has died and been reborn, and the civilizations that have been destroyed and reconstructed...

This is the continuation of that scan

 

[Furina003]

It's not a single individual, it's a group. In the next Part (3), it's explained that they're a group of Sin Thisters. Which literally equate that their immortality and regeneration isn't just for one specific unnamed Self-Annihilator

This is the continuation of that scan

This is really confusing and unclear, the one who got kicked in the head was one of the victims caused by the swarm disaster, while the arrival of the Sin Thirsters happened after the disaster had subsided. Was the corpse whose head was kicked one of the Sin Thirsters?, while the Sin Thirsters came after the disaster had subsided.
after I read this, it seems like Resurrection and transformation, rather than immortality or regeneration. because they resurrected the victims from the previous destruction.

 

[Voidnether]

This is really confusing and unclear, the one who got kicked in the head was one of the victims caused by the swarm disaster, while the arrival of the Sin Thirsters happened after the disaster had subsided. Was the corpse whose head was kicked one of the Sin Thirsters?, while the Sin Thirsters came after the disaster had subsided.
after I read this, it seems like Resurrection and transformation, rather than immortality or regeneration. because they resurrected the victims from the previous destruction.

Yeah but that's an addition tbh, it's the same victim themselves that can somehow attach his head back hence the immortality and regeneration. Sin Thirsters are basically those that are "awake" when a Self-Annihilator turns into nothingness (Nihility). So, if it's a group of them then it generally should be fine given in the databank — The physiology of a self-annihilator is really messed up

These phenomena can hardly be explained by the laws of nature. As described in the handwritten notes of the Doctors of Chaos — Some Self-Annihilators have their skin turn into something like rotten wood, full of holes and scars. Some have their endocrine system disrupted, becoming unable to distinguish between pleasure and pain and turning numb to everything. Some lose their memories, others lose their senses... It is as if they have been deprived of the meaning of their lives by some entity, and can only keep watching in dreams and illusions as their own forms disappear into a black hole at the end of the horizon.

Hence the reason why I believed that atleast warrants immortality / regeneration, because it's definitely not normal for a person to even be able to survive like this

Phainon, this is his justification for being a Lord Ravager:

• There's no scan of his "ascension".
• His body was constantly being burned away because of the coreflames.
• Being gazed upon alone is not enough to a Lord Ravager. Trailblazer got gazed upon by multiple Aeons. Feixiao got gazed upon by Lan even though she was already an Emanator. Cyrene got gazed upon by Fuli and she didn't become an Emanator.
• 3-B character destroying galaxies doesn't mean that he's a Lord Ravager.
• Btw, this link, "demonstrated in battle against Zephyro", does not show the fight.
• In Pom-Pom's Intel, Lord Ravagers have their lives spared and their annihilation delayed. That wasn't the case for Phainon. He didn't obey Nanook even once to be a Lord Ravager.

Acheron's profile has this:

• That's her end goal and it hasn't happened yet. Shouldn't be there until she finally accomplished it.

Then just add the scan where Phainon gets gazed by Nanook, being gazed upon is not enough hence the Irontomb justification because Phainon essentially merged with Irontomb in Amphoreus. Lord Ravager is identical with multiple galaxies destruction, as stated by Welt when the Overlords are capable of incinerating entire galaxies and this refers to the Lord Ravagers. If it doesn't show the fight then just add that one animated short, I can't open links atm. Anyways, Phainon in itself isn't a Lord Ravager but Irontomb is — Phainon merged with Irontomb, hence the Emanators.

About Acheron, I mean her goal is just close to Zephyro but uh make another thread about this if you really disagree with it since entire reasoning is on that honkai stuff CRT. Best you can get is a possibly though, I don't really care about that tbh

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Yeah but that's an addition tbh, it's the same victim themselves that can somehow attach his head back hence the immortality and regeneration. Sin Thirsters are basically those that are "awake" when a Self-Annihilator turns into nothingness (Nihility). So, if it's a group of them then it generally should be fine given in the databank — The physiology of a self-annihilator is really messed up

Hence the reason why I believed that atleast warrants immortality / regeneration, because it's definitely not normal for a person to even be able to survive like this

Then just add the scan where Phainon gets gazed by Nanook, being gazed upon is not enough hence the Irontomb justification because Phainon essentially merged with Irontomb in Amphoreus. Lord Ravager is identical with multiple galaxies destruction, as stated by Welt when the Overlords are capable of incinerating entire galaxies and this refers to the Lord Ravagers. If it doesn't show the fight then just add that one animated short, I can't open links atm. Anyways, Phainon in itself isn't a Lord Ravager but Irontomb is — Phainon merged with Irontomb, hence the Emanators.

About Acheron, I mean her goal is just close to Zephyro but uh make another thread about this if you really disagree with it since entire reasoning is on that honkai stuff CRT. Best you can get is a possibly though, I don't really care about that tbh

yea like nether said phainon LR key includes both him pre and post irontomb merging, you can however remove acheron justification and change phainons LR Key to “Khaslana” but yea everything nether explained is fine

 

[Voidnether]

yea like furina said phainon LR key includes both him pre and post irontomb merging, you can however remove acheron justification and change phainons LR Key to “Khaslana” but yea everything furina explained is fine

THAT'S NOT FURINA BRO

 

[PedjaTarzan]

THAT'S NOT FURINA BRO

I swear i need to go to eye doctor

 

[TrueBK98]

yea like nether said phainon LR key includes both him pre and post irontomb merging, you can however remove acheron justification and change phainons LR Key to “Khaslana” but yea everything nether explained is fine

Post-merged shouldn't be there as Phainon isn't the one in control after merging. Irontomb is a different individual and should have a separated profile, Phainon merging should be added there.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Post-merged shouldn't be there as Phainon isn't the one in control after merging. Irontomb is a different individual and should have a separated profile, Phainon merging should be added there.

they are actually one, Irontomb is just complete phainon to accordance of what lygus has planned ill wait for 3.6/7 to see what will new phainon form bring and then update
profile and make irontomb one as well

 

[TrueBK98]

they are actually one, Irontomb is just complete phainon to accordance of what lygus has planned ill wait for 3.6/7 to see what will new phainon form bring and then update
profile and make irontomb one as well

If "Irontomb is just complete phainon" then just add a separated key for Irontomb, a separated profile for Irontomb isn't needed anymore. If we're going to make separated profile for Irontomb, mentions the merging there. Having pre and post merged combined into one also make it harder to create match ups as well.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I agree with OP

 

[FinePoint]

Seems fine, spare for the change in standards which Lephyr mentioned.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I nominate @Voidnether to apply the crt

 

[Voidnether]

I nominate @Voidnether to apply the crt

Smh

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Bump

 

[Voidnether]

Bump

2 staff approvals are already enough, it's just the matter of applying it tbh. Intelligence section should be like Ichigo where it had multiple tabbers showcasing it and everyone's just genius with their own feat. Other than that it's just applying immortality to Acheron, then add more justifications for their resistance to img energy

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

2 staff approvals are already enough, it's just the matter of applying it tbh

You can apply the changes?

 

[Voidnether]

You can apply the changes?

Not for the intelligence section tho, I could apply the immortality and the rest since I genuinely know nothing for the intelligence part. It was like either you or Aernasilver (In which I was gonna ask you this yesterday) but yeah

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Not for the intelligence section tho, I could apply the immortality and the rest since I genuinely know nothing for the intelligence part. It was like either you or Aernasilver (In which I was gonna ask you this yesterday) but yeah

I can apply the downgrade of the intelligence sections to everyone affected with the exception of Jingliu, since she has consistent feats to back this as you said, but the rest should be downgraded to Gifted or Genius?

 

[Voidnether]

I can apply the downgrade of the intelligence sections to everyone affected with the exception of Jingliu, since she has consistent feats to back this as you said, but the rest should be downgraded to Gifted or Genius?

Rest are Genius, pretty sure on the vandalism thread like they were Genius before they were Extraordinary Geniuses

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

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