Himmler upgrade

[ArbitraryNumbers]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ArbitraryNumbers/Datamining_the_John_Clowder_games

I did some datamining for Gingiva and found that Himmler learns a move called "11th Dimension" at level 25. The game describes it as "a place where the general laws of nature collapse". This seems pretty straightforward to me, and it sounds like High 1-C reality warping.

I don't think this scales to anyone but the characters who use it. It would imply that the verse is full of High 1-C beings who can tank multiverses being tossed at them, which would take away any significance 11th Dimension has as an attack. It would be like creating an underwater flood.

So I think this attack should grant Himmler, as well as anyone else who uses it, a "Low 2-C, High 1-C via reality warping" ranking.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It seems to be only title-based though. I wouldn't consider an attack that is just called 11-D to be enough for such a massive upgrade.

Also if it was true, I do think it would scale to people. Mostly because common enemies being this much above god tiers doesn't really make sense, plus this attack actually directly damage people.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I guess I can get behind that point. Wouldn't it still grant reality warping, since the attack is described as "a place where the laws of nature collapse"? As well as a resistance to it due to the characters being able to tank it?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Reality Warping itself is fine, but I don't think we grant general resistance to reality warping from feats like that, since it's such a wide ability.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Yeah true. How about Law Manipulation, more specifically then? Since it refers to the laws of nature?

Tbh it would explain a lot about the verse if it all took place on a higher plane of existence

 

[DMB_1]

Sounds more like Physics Manipulation

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Tbh I wish I could downgrade this verse back to 9-B bc then we'd get more matches

Also yeah, physics manipulation

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Also I'm gonna have to bring up the potential High 1-C ranking again.

I know it's title based, but "11th Dimension" is a very straightforward name that isn't commonly used as hyperbole, like "lightning-fast" is. In this case it is described as a place where the laws of nature as we know them are twisted and skewed, like a higher dimensional plane of existence would be. This is also within the context of a verse where inter-dimensional travel, mentions of space-time fabric, black holes, parallell worlds, cosmic devourers, and other weird dimension-related BS, is relatively commonplace.

When I look at all of this it doesn't seem very vague at all. To me, it seems quite clear that "11th Dimension", in this context, means exactly what it says.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Having attacks wield weird and abstract names is far from uncommon in games like this. It's almost a staple honestly. And taking this attack name literally while ignoring every other single attack names that definitivelly cannot be taken literally is nitpicky.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

You do have a point there. There are tons of attacks like "Needles can do that" or "Swirly Whirl" that don't make any sense and are left entirely to speculation as to what they do.

 

[Andytrenom]

I also don't think it's enough.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Saikou.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Saikou makes much sense.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we close this thread?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Seems like it, unless Numbers has anything else he'd want to say.