High 3-As in Dragon Ball Super?

[Flashlight237]

Hey there. So, this has been scratching my head lately. So, as it currently stands, the wiki sets Infinite Zamasu (anime) as Baseline Low 2-C, yet considering the infinite gap between 3-A and Low 2-C, let alone High 3-A and Low 2-C, I'm wondering, how is it possible for a handful of DBS characters to hit Low 2-C and several more hit 3-A, yet literally nobody ever hit High 3-A? Granted the gap between 3-A and High 3-A is currently seen as "infinite but not to the same extent as 3-A to Low 2-C," and currently the entire concept of what it takes to be 3-A is being revised, but I felt it'd be important to ask anyhow.

 

[Akreious]

The only people who would scale to High 3-A was later confirmed to be superior to Infinite Zamasu (Low 2-C).

That's why nobody is High 3-A.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Personally, I disagree with Low 2-C Dragon Ball characters.

 

[Akreious]

Personally, I disagree with Low 2-C Dragon Ball characters.

Reasoning? We've been through this song and dance a billion times.

Case 1: Jiren is unlike anyone our characters ever fought before, meaning he's in a league of his own. Includes Infinite Zamasu.

Case 2: Supporting magazines says that Jiren at that point is Goku's strongest adversary

Case 3: Goku even back in the Goku Black saga said that he could've taken on Infinite Zamasu if he had a Senzu

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

If you want me to explain, fine.

1) The fact that we openly acknowledge DB doesn't treat the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C as infinite, since 3-As can even keep up with the Low 2-Cs, which goes against our tiering system.

2) Jiren has demonstrated zero Low 2-C feats, same as anyone else scaled from Infinite Zamasu.

3) Which is contradicted by what is actually shown, so it makes more sense to disregard it.

4) I should totally take Goku's word at face value when his blasts do zero damage and he has to call Zeno to get rid of Infinite Zamasu.

 

[HST_Master]

If you want me to explain, fine.

1) The fact that we openly acknowledge DB doesn't treat the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C as infinite, since 3-As can even keep up with the Low 2-Cs, which goes against our tiering system.

2) Jiren has demonstrated zero Low 2-C feats, same as anyone else scaled from Infinite Zamasu.

3) Which is contradicted by what is actually shown, so it makes more sense to disregard it.

4) I should totally take Goku's word at face value when his blasts do zero damage and he has to call Zeno to get rid of Infinite Zamasu.

• Ant said in the last DB CRT that our standards should be revised, as many others series act the same as DB(not treating the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C as infinite)

• Jiren is acknowledged to be the strongest opponent at that point in the story by both Characters and supporting magazines and his ki is capable of surprising both Shin, who was there with Infinite Zamasu, and Beerus, who along with Whis, sensed Infinite Zamasu.

I should totally take Goku's word at face value when his blasts do zero damage and he has to call Zeno to get rid of Infinite Zamasu

This is ignoring the context of the situation. Goku and Vegeta were so Exhausted from fighting as Vegito, they couldn't even turn Super Saiyan let alone Blue, they had to attack in base. So yes. Goku is believable when he says they have a chance if they were at full strength.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There aren't really any feats in between the 3-A and Low 2-C's that put them at High 3-A just like there aren't any feats for anywhere between 4-B and 3-A between Buu saga and Super. Also, it's been discussed multiple times about the Low 2-C's being well above Infinite Zamasu. Beerus was able to sense that Zamasu's power level was less than his and wasn't afraid of him. Where as Beerus outright sensed even UIO Goku and casual Jiren as being well above Zamasu and likely surpassing his own; which they do surpass him with full powers. So Low 2-C isn't going anywhere; plus there is a discussion that we might get rid of High 3-A as a tier.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

In any case, the OP's question has been answered so this can be closed.

 

[AKM sama]

DB doesn't treat the gap between Infinite Zamasu and Vegito Blue as being infinite, and it's not infinite even if their respective tiers suggest that. That doesn't mean they'll not get those ratings if they fulfill the required conditions as per this site. Seriously, most fiction don't treat the gap as being infinite, only we do. But they still get the ratings due to fulfilling the required conditions.

I constantly hear people saying that they all should be 3-A or they all should be Low 2-C because the gap isn't infinite. That doesn't matter, we rate them based on the feats they've shown or scaling they posses and that's it. We can't be so rigid as to apply our own rules which are followed by some handful of verses, to most of fiction that they don't follow. Flexibility is a necessity when it comes down to such things.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose I can close the thread since the OP was pretty much answered?

 

[Schnee_One]

@Dark

There is a High 3A feat in Jiren and Goku shaking the void

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Schnee One The World of Void being infinite was a mistranslation.

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh

Nevermind

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I suppose I can close the thread since the OP was pretty much answered?

Now you can.

 

[JooCipher]

btw I think High 3-A is getting cut down from what i remember

 

[Warren_Valion]

@Schnee One The World of Void being infinite was a mistranslation.

Since when?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Warren there is a staff thread regarding revisions for the 3-A and High 3-A Tier here; it's staff only, but you're welcome to read it.

Anyway, I will close this thread.