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High 1-A+ type 1 Yhwach

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So i have a friend who scales yhwach towards High 1-A+ Type 1 because he actualizes all logical worlds and can see all possibilities and he falls under the three laws of thought yet if he could see all possibilities then why didn’t he see uryus arrow that nullified his almighty? I was wondering if this a valid and does this scale him to High 1-A+ or just his hax? Because bleaches cosmology is pretty small.
 
1. yhwachs ability is not simply “fate manip.” it is being able to actualize any logically possible state of affairs. this is nothing intrinsic to anyone or everyone else in the literal sense. the only way he wouldn’t be able to view everyone is if the character exists in no logically possible outcome in which case they aren’t logical and can’t be scaled
2. read this one cuz ur not comprehending it:

HE HAS RESISTANCE TO POWER NULL

3. read this one because you’re not getting it

Almighty negates things before they even occur. What you’re describing needs to reach reality for it to be the case

4. What you’re saying is not the case in every logically possible future unless you can prove it’s a modal necessity.
 
ScrollerGNL said:
1. yhwachs ability is not simply “fate manip.” it is being able to actualize any logically possible state of affairs. this is nothing intrinsic to anyone or everyone else in the literal sense. the only way he wouldn’t be able to view everyone is if the character exists in no logically possible outcome in which case they aren’t logical and can’t be scaled
2. read this one cuz ur not comprehending it:

HE HAS RESISTANCE TO POWER NULL

3. read this one because you’re not getting it

Almighty negates things before they even occur. What you’re describing needs to reach reality for it to be the case

4. What you’re saying is not the case in every logically possible future unless you can prove it’s a modal necessity.
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1. [Yhwach actualizes the possibility where he possesses a different essence/identity from the one he had currently (was Ant [A, A=A], then was altered to Yhwach [Y, Y=Y])](https://imgur.com/a/MBmHeAS)
2. A nomological modality deals with whats possible under the Laws of Nature, change in essence/identity is metaphysical, not physical, so it isn’t dealt with under this modality.
3. A metaphysical modality deals with whats possible when regarding the essence of being, change in essence/identity would be logically impossible under this modality, as the possibilities would have to abide by A, and it cannot equal Y, as it would be violating the Law of Identity (A≠Y).
4. A logical modality deals with whats possible when regarding the Laws of Logic, a change in essence/identity is possible under this modality as it doesn’t abide by/isn’t restricted by the essence of being, meaning an essence can be A in World 1, and Y in World 2, not violating the Law of Identity.

Conclusion: The possibilities within Bleach, which Yhwach has influence over (e.g., actualization of potency), would have to fall under a logical modality, meaning said possibilities are logical possibilities. Now, where would this all scale to? Well, under the revisions of Vsbw's Tiering System, a new Tier presented is known as High Outerversal+ (H1-A+). This Tier is simply all logically possible things, or referred to as a Logical Space. Within Ultima's (creator of said revision) proposal, he had likened High Outerversal+ to all things an Omnipotent being could do, or think of, regarding it as possible worlds, or more simply, Modal Realism. Due to Yhwach's influence over all logically possibilities, he'd qualify for H1-A+ scaling. This is his scale read it carefully also yes i read what you said up top
 
DeathxMoonZ said:
So i have a friend who scales yhwach towards High 1-A+ Type 1 because he actualizes all logical worlds and can see all possibilities and he falls under the three laws of thought yet if he could see all possibilities then why didn’t he see uryus arrow that nullified his almighty? I was wondering if this a valid and does this scale him to High 1-A+ or just his hax? Because bleaches cosmology is pretty small.
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I just wanna clarify that this is his scale and his only and no I don’t believe yhwach scales to High 1-A+
Iiliminal said:
mfs will argue literally anything nowadays holy shit please for the LOVE OF GOD go outside and touch grass 💔
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i mean just a question bro
 
DeathxMoonZ said:
1. [Yhwach actualizes the possibility where he possesses a different essence/identity from the one he had currently (was Ant [A, A=A], then was altered to Yhwach [Y, Y=Y])](https://imgur.com/a/MBmHeAS)
2. A nomological modality deals with whats possible under the Laws of Nature, change in essence/identity is metaphysical, not physical, so it isn’t dealt with under this modality.
3. A metaphysical modality deals with whats possible when regarding the essence of being, change in essence/identity would be logically impossible under this modality, as the possibilities would have to abide by A, and it cannot equal Y, as it would be violating the Law of Identity (A≠Y).
4. A logical modality deals with whats possible when regarding the Laws of Logic, a change in essence/identity is possible under this modality as it doesn’t abide by/isn’t restricted by the essence of being, meaning an essence can be A in World 1, and Y in World 2, not violating the Law of Identity.

Conclusion: The possibilities within Bleach, which Yhwach has influence over (e.g., actualization of potency), would have to fall under a logical modality, meaning said possibilities are logical possibilities. Now, where would this all scale to? Well, under the revisions of Vsbw's Tiering System, a new Tier presented is known as High Outerversal+ (H1-A+). This Tier is simply all logically possible things, or referred to as a Logical Space. Within Ultima's (creator of said revision) proposal, he had likened High Outerversal+ to all things an Omnipotent being could do, or think of, regarding it as possible worlds, or more simply, Modal Realism. Due to Yhwach's influence over all logically possibilities, he'd qualify for H1-A+ scaling. This is his scale read it carefully also yes i read what you said up top
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ScrollerGNL said:
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What is this? I can’t see it
 
Yeeeeah no. This stretches too much and uses 450 million assumptions. Its fate hax. Stated fo be fate hax. Shown to be fate hax, not logic hax. Simply choosing an existing possibility/timeline/possibility isn't "choosing all logical and illogical possibilities". Otherwise To Aru's magic gods would be high 1-A+ by default
 
VoidGoji said:
Yeeeeah no. This stretches too much and uses 450 million assumptions. Its fate hax. Stated fo be fate hax. Shown to be fate hax, not logic hax. Simply choosing an existing possibility/timeline/possibility isn't "choosing all logical and illogical possibilities". Otherwise To Aru's magic gods would be high 1-A+ by default
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I see thank you
 
DeathxMoonZ said:
So i have a friend who scales yhwach towards High 1-A+ Type 1 because he actualizes all logical worlds and can see all possibilities and he falls under the three laws of thought yet if he could see all possibilities then why didn’t he see uryus arrow that nullified his almighty? I was wondering if this a valid and does this scale him to High 1-A+ or just his hax? Because bleaches cosmology is pretty small.
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Bro's Friend read Bleach Isekai
 
I think one thing that people dont think about when scaling stuff off site is that other sites and people use differnt tiering systems and define things differntly then we may here. But in this case. its just wank LOL
 
It really is bad practice to just randomly ask about "Offsite people think this character/verse is High 1-A+, could you debunk them for me?"
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
It really is bad practice to just randomly ask about "Offsite people think this character/verse is High 1-A+, could you debunk them for me?"
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I asked was it valid or not, if you can’t answer a simple question then don’t respond simple as that.
 
He wasn't being rude, he just told you it's a bad practice to come and ask to people to debunk offsite arguments (even if they are incredibly bad such as this)
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
He wasn't being rude, he just told you it's a bad practice to come and ask to people to debunk offsite arguments (even if they are incredibly bad such as this)
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Never asked him to debunk it i just asked if it was valid or not literally
 
Ehhh fair enough.

Also, being honest, this one is very self evident so I don't think it was necessary of course the others laughing and mocking the post didn't help but still...
 
I was just informing a general statement. Plus, it is common for people to just make some random questions and answers board to pull up some offsite article for having extremely controversial takes on extremely controversial verses. As it often leads to people who worked hard or have already heard repeated arguments before (Or some cases infinitely worse versions of repeated topics). And then it ends up becoming a time waister for many.

But, if it wasn't obvious already, the answer is that "No, it would not qualify for High 1-A+ scaling."
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I was just informing a general statement. Plus, it is common for people to just make some random questions and answers board to pull up some offsite article for having extremely controversial takes on extremely controversial verses. As it often leads to people who worked hard or have already heard repeated arguments before (Or some cases infinitely worse versions of repeated topics). And then it ends up becoming a time waister for many.

But, if it wasn't obvious already, the answer is that "No, it would not qualify for High 1-A+ scaling."
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Simple answer thank you
 
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