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[Robo432343]

So a vampires third eye has been shown to grant resistance to Zorin's mind hax. However, Zorin was able to pierce through that resistance by going deeper and further into base Seras' mind and ended up hypnotizing her again. Zorin should get at least 1 layer of mind hax from this. However True vampire Seras was able to become immune to Zorin's mind hax by drinking blood which made her memories appeared fragmented to Zorin, making the mind hax near impossible. Seras as well as Alucard should get 1 layer of resistance.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Alucard currently has social influencing because of this:

But i think it should be changed to fear manipulation because a BOPE officer shoots himself instead of fighting Alucard after calling him a monster.

Maybe. For me it was how people seem to be afraid before he even does anything, but in fairness that soldier had just seen Alucard butcher his team and that same monster was standing over him mocking him.

Also Alucard should have possession
[Can reform himself by possessing [bugs and bats]

That's animal manipulation. Although I guess we could talk about him turning bugs and bats into his body (maybe they're familiars?).

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Alucard currently has social influencing because of this:

But i think it should be changed to fear manipulation because a BOPE officer shoots himself instead of fighting Alucard after calling him a monster.

And if you go to the fear manip page:



Also Alucard should have possession
[Can reform himself by possessing [bugs and bats]

seems to make sense for fear manip (Maybe Fear Manip is the source for the social influencing in a way?)

Not sure on possession since animal manip is kind of there

 

[Phsccarvalho]

because a BOPE officer shoots himself instead of fighting Alucard after calling him a monster.

I mean, he did it after seeing Alucard brutally massacring all of his BOPE colleagues.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So a vampires third eye has been shown to grant resistance to Zorin's illusion hax. However, Zorin was able to pierce through that resistance by going deeper and further into Seras's mind and ended up hypnotizing her again

Wouldn't that just be a weakness to their resistance? Their resistance is still there, just wasn't strong enough to resist that type of hax...

Would've just been a more potent hypnotism/mind manipulation affecting her (Says the same on her profile)

You wouldn't get resistance negation for increasing the temperature of heat to affect someone who has a form of resistance to heat for example

 

[Random-Helper323]

Wouldn't that just be a weakness to their resistance? Their resistance is still there, just wasn't strong enough to resist that type of hax...

Would've just been a more potent hypnotism/mind manipulation affecting her (Says the same on her profile)

You wouldn't get resistance negation for increasing the temperature of heat to affect someone who has a form of resistance to heat for example

This was the basis of my saying there was a layer on top of the mind hax in Hellsing. Zorin's wide area illusions are baseline, and base Seras resists. Zorin's direct mind entry is higher (layered) and breaks through base Seras' resistance, but True Vampire Seras resists that.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[Random-Helper323]

Actually, there might be something for fear hax after all. The Millennium vampires were deathly afraid of Seras despite having little known reason to be.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[MonkeyOfLife]

So a vampires third eye has been shown to grant resistance to Zorin's mind hax. However, Zorin was able to pierce through that resistance by going deeper and further into base Seras' mind and ended up hypnotizing her again. Zorin should get at least 1 layer of mind hax from this. However True vampire Seras was able to become immune to Zorin's mind hax by drinking blood which made her memories appeared fragmented to Zorin, making the mind hax near impossible. Seras as well as Alucard should get 1 layer of resistance.

This was the basis of my saying there was a layer on top of the mind hax in Hellsing. Zorin's wide area illusions are baseline, and base Seras resists. Zorin's direct mind entry is higher (layered) and breaks through base Seras' resistance, but True Vampire Seras resists that.

This isn't layers... Again more potent hax against a resistance /=/ layer

It only becomes a layer if that same hax that was resisted before, was able to bypass the resistance... But this situation isn't the same at all, Zorin used a more potent mind hax, going deeper into her mind to affect her more, would just be a more potent mind hax than before

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

it's also just a different ability...
imgur.com/a/illusion-manipulation-GYMiKz0

imgur.com/a/9TLG5Lb

So this thread can be adding Memory Manipulation to Zorin's page and possibly explain it's stronger mind hax potency from the ability before

Seras would get a resistance (Or negation) to that ability also whenever she fully became a vampire

Seras, who had sucked Bernadotte's blood and become a full-fledged vampire, defeated Zorin without being able to do anything. At the same time, the Major and the others were not even watching over Zorin.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[Apex_Predator_GX]

This thread deserves more attention.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

One is Perception Manipulation, and the other is Memory Manipulation, so they can't be compared.

 

[Random-Helper323]

One is Perception Manipulation, and the other is Memory Manipulation, so they can't be compared.

Really? They're both mind manipulation though.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Really? They're both mind manipulation though.

Well, both powers are considered extensions of mind manipulation, but with specific uses.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Well, both powers are considered extensions of mind manipulation, but with specific uses.

Isn't that still a stronger "layer" of mind hax then, if she resisted one but not the other, then powered up and resisted both?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Isn't that still a stronger "layer" of mind hax then, if she resisted one but not the other, then powered up and resisted both?

No, because firstly, her profile is outdated, and she doesn't even have Mind Manipulation on it. Secondly, resisting Perception Manipulation doesn't suddenly mean you can resist every mind-related hax.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[Ruby_R_Dracula]

birmp

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Get bump idiot
also giving my opinion on this real quick for funsies, don't plan on contributing much cuz I'm not really good at debating or arguing

So a vampires third eye has been shown to grant resistance to Zorin's mind hax.

first off thats Perception and Illusion Creation, which Ig are associated to mind manip, but they got their own pages, and also different types of Mind Hax

However, Zorin was able to pierce through that resistance by going deeper and further into base Seras' mind and ended up hypnotizing her again. Zorin should get at least 1 layer of mind hax from this.

Telepathy (specifically Mind Reading) and Memory Manipulation both are also associated with Mind Manip but again are different types and as stated by SpaceMan, are of different uses

that would probably be like saying someone with Mind Hax resistance but specifically Resistance to Mind Reading cannot be Mind Controlled/Hypnotized by someone

both are Mind Haxs with different uses.

also these are abilities that my girl, Seras hasn't shown to Resist

so disagree with layering

However True vampire Seras was able to become immune to Zorin's mind hax by drinking blood which made her memories appeared fragmented to Zorin, making the mind hax near impossible. Seras as well as Alucard should get 1 layer of resistance.

The reason Zorin wasn't able to use her Hax was cuz Pip's memories (whose soul was drank and absorbed by Seras) was blending with her's.

https://imgur.com/gallery/seras-blood-drinking-aw0Xqgx

but I don't disagree with the resistance,

disagree with layering tho, but agree with Seras and Alucard having this resistance, since Alucard has the same reason why Seras Resists it

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[FinePoint]

I essentially agree with Spaceman here.