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Hellaverse Mega CRT (Concluded and Applied)

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Anonymous_Learner said:
while it is true Adam's page states that Adam blitzes Alastor after "getting serious," Alastor's page already has that Alastor>=Adam in speed and that he only got blitzed after his staff broke which greatly weakened him so i don't really think that is needed.
At most, I could add a section of another CRT that reworks Adam's speed justifications but nothing more
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Okay ty🙏
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Angelic Weapons upgrade


It's come to my attention that the angelic weapons just greatly upscale 9-A due to being able to kill overlords and I believe it's time for that to change. They should be Tier 5 and the reason for that is for their feats against Lucifer and Adam.
Firstly and most obviously, An angelic weapon is the reason adam is dead and repeatedly pierced his flesh after the fact. However, it should be noted due to something that'll come up later that Adam was off-guard and, more importantly, had already suffered a major beating from Demon Form Lucifer and was gonna die from this last blow (Though, tbf, it was a magical attack). 2nd of all, angelic weapons pierce through base lucifer and draw blood from him, the same guy who powered the thing that caused the Tier 5 feat.
So, due to all the reasons above, it stands to reason that Angelic Weapons should scale to tier 5. What does this mean then? Well, it just means that all people who wield angelic weapons should have tier 5. However, there are things in the verse that can withstand Angelic weapons

For starters, FP!Alastor's casual shield is able to tank and be impenierable to Angelic Weapons with Alastor's staff likely upscaling it since it holds a majority of his magic and it being capable of protecting alastor from death, Charlie's Shield can break angelic weapons, Vaggie can't break the might of lilth or break Lucifer out of his bubble
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Therefore, all in all, scaling chain goes "Lu>Adam>Alastor's staff>Alastor's Barrier>Charlie's shield>Might of Lilith>AW"
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FinePoint said:
I'm sympathetic to some of the arguments here, but it does seem clear to me that Emily's implied speed in that scene was an outlier.

Overall, I approve of the OP.
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Could I ask to put this on an hold on? This ongoing CRT is heavily involving this and could completely invalidate this entire point if it passes.

That or me doing so with my CRT, up to you lol.
 
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I'd prefer we let this one go though since i spent like weeks on this giant crt but, if staff votes against it, nothing i can do
in any case, if your crt goes through first, i remove Lucifer from the scaling chain and make Charlir have a L7C shield and trident with Alastor have L7C barriers and staff, cuz, regardless of your CRT, Angelic weapons scale to adam no matter how you slice it
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
I'd prefer we let this one go though since i spent like weeks on this giant crt but, if staff votes against it, nothing i can do
in any case, if your crt goes through first, i remove Lucifer from the scaling chain and make Charlir have a L7C shield and trident with Alastor have L7C barriers and staff, cuz, regardless of your CRT, Angelic weapons scale to adam no matter how you slice it
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Given that you've given a solution, I would not mind temporailry close my CRT before yours gets fully applied.
 
As I have mentioned in the Adam CRT, the main crux of scaling for the Tier 5 AWs is Adam downscaling from Lucifer which is something I oppose, and I already told my reasons on why I do not think it's legit anyways, so I'll let that to be tackled in the CRT after this.

Regardless, the FTL point seems on point, idrc of anything else that was not mentioned.
 
ShionAH said:
Uh? No? Angelic Weapons can also tear into Lucifer’s skin.
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My main issue is that it can just be a feat of the MoL and that's it, we do not give "material scaling" in other verses otherwise.

Verses which base themselves on a Tier 0-based unity where everything is ultimately part of the same, unique being do not have everyone as equal in stats just because they're all made of the same "essence".

Steel is not scaling to super OP mechas because both are metal.

Etc.
 
StrymULTRA said:
My main issue is that it can just be a feat of the MoL and that's it, we do not give "material scaling" in other verses otherwise.

Verses which base themselves on a Tier 0-based unity where everything is ultimately part of the same, unique being do not have everyone as equal in stats just because they're all made of the same "essence".

Steel is not scaling to super OP mechas because both are metal.

Etc.
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The machine itself isn’t what does that, its literally very small cables that rip into Lucifer. Vox also considers them strong enough to hurt “the big boys” which may be referring to the Adam and as well as Seraphims as he planned to take over Heaven

Not even mentioning how those little cable things where made by Carmilla who strictly uses the steel from the Exorcist

It simply doesn’t add up. These little tiny cables made of Angelic strel are NOT a BILLION times stronger than LITERAL ANGELIC SWORDS. Thats an ABSURD claim you need to prove coupled by the fact that it doesn’t make sense narratively either.
 
it's not stated to be angelic steal, doesn't really act like angelic steal, and Lute (seemingly) prefers actual angelic sword over her prosthetic holy arm.
it not angelic steel
DarkLock92 said:
So we don't consider it as made of angelic steel?
Cause if we do we should do it like Bucky where it's only the durability that gets the big scaling
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Anonymous_Learner said:
it's not stated to be angelic steal,
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Granted
Anonymous_Learner said:
doesn't really act like angelic steal
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How so? If you're referring to the wall punch, that could just be because Lute can't punch that hard.
Anonymous_Learner said:
and Lute (seemingly) prefers actual angelic sword over her prosthetic holy arm.
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And Adam prefers his axe to his punches or lasers, and it could just be that Lute is better at swordplay than h2h
Anonymous_Learner said:
it not angelic steel
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You can't be sure but neither can I tbh
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I mean, we used to complain about how bad consistency is with "invinicibility" stuff, now AWs are hella inconsistent: they can harm Lucifer, kill General of Exorcists, be completely blocked by Alastor, or be a regular arm for Lute lmao.
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Well for that last one it's only because we don't have enough info to accurately say it's an AW, though it probably is. It'll be scaled higher if we get more info
 
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