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Hellaverse Mega CRT (Concluded and Applied)

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İt doesnt work like that i suppose
You know the Metro Man thing? Ya know "Live out an entire day with everyone else frozen around you"? Yeah Emily would be 5325.63381x faster than that. There's no "getting caught off guard" for an FTL by a guy who'd be in the Subsonic+ to Supersonic+ range.
 
Do we allow scaling verses to FTL based on singular feat in the first place. I have heard that is usually would count as just outlier.

If she was FTL Vox wouldn't have caught her off-guard, she would literally be over 1 MILLION times faster than him.
In fiction(and irl) people can be caught off guard by massively slower opponents and things. For example, Kars and UV laser.

But premise is dubious anyways. Emily is not massively faster than overlords
 
You know the Metro Man thing? Ya know "Live out an entire day with everyone else frozen around you"? Yeah Emily would be 5325.63381x faster than that. There's no "getting caught off guard" for an FTL by a guy who'd be in the Subsonic+ to Supersonic+ range.
The thing is characters like vox and overlords way faster than their own current scales they are not ftl but not that lower
 
The proposed AWs chainscale still has the issue of Adam being pierced by Charlie's Pitchfork, despite not being damaged previously at all and Lucifer being stabbed pretty easily, with the reason the cables didn't go too deep simply being the length of the prongs.
(Plus the idea of Adam having lower dura due to being off guard is weird, honestly).
The only way we can somewhat reconcile this imo is if we say that Charlie's weaponry is somehow of higher quality than average AWs, which wouldn't necessarily be a stretch given that her shield could bend an AW on contact.
 
The proposed AWs chainscale still has the issue of Adam being pierced by Charlie's Pitchfork, despite not being damaged previously at all and Lucifer being stabbed pretty easily, with the reason the cables didn't go too deep simply being the length of the prongs.
(Plus the idea of Adam having lower dura due to being off guard is weird, honestly).
The only way we can somewhat reconcile this imo is if we say that Charlie's weaponry is somehow of higher quality than average AWs, which wouldn't necessarily be a stretch given that her shield could bend an AW on contact.
Not to argue against the OP or anything but Charlie is using a thick as shield against thin ass metal. You might as well take a brick and smash it into the blade at that point.
 
The proposed AWs chainscale still has the issue of Adam being pierced by Charlie's Pitchfork, despite not being damaged previously at all and Lucifer being stabbed pretty easily, with the reason the cables didn't go too deep simply being the length of the prongs.
(Plus the idea of Adam having lower dura due to being off guard is weird, honestly).
The only way we can somewhat reconcile this imo is if we say that Charlie's weaponry is somehow of higher quality than average AWs, which wouldn't necessarily be a stretch given that her shield could bend an AW on contact.
Maybe AWs has limited dura neg?
 
Not to argue against the OP or anything but Charlie is using a thick as shield against thin ass metal. You might as well take a brick and smash it into the blade at that point.
M.O.L's hull was much thicker and yet Vaggie's spear never bent at all
Maybe AWs has limited dura neg?
You'd need an explicit statement for that
 
The proposed AWs chainscale still has the issue of Adam being pierced by Charlie's Pitchfork, despite not being damaged previously at all and Lucifer being stabbed pretty easily, with the reason the cables didn't go too deep simply being the length of the prongs.
(Plus the idea of Adam having lower dura due to being off guard is weird, honestly).
The only way we can somewhat reconcile this imo is if we say that Charlie's weaponry is somehow of higher quality than average AWs, which wouldn't necessarily be a stretch given that her shield could bend an AW on contact.
honesty, was gonna have Charlie's trident just >=Her shield since they come from the same magic
 
The proposed AWs chainscale still has the issue of Adam being pierced by Charlie's Pitchfork, despite not being damaged previously at all
What's exactly the problem? It just means her pitchfork is potent enough to do that. It's not like anyone previously in that fight used an Angelic weapon against him.
 
What's exactly the problem? It just means her pitchfork is potent enough to do that. It's not like anyone previously in that fight used an Angelic weapon against him.
The OP proposes that Lucifer > Adam > AWs with the idea that Adam was weakened when he was stabbed. But that doesn't explain how he got stabbed by Charlie's Pitchfork. Hence why I proposed the idea of making her weaponry > average AWs.
That doesn't cover how Lu got stabbed by multiple angelic cables though
 
I mean I doubt that considering said powers were being used as MoL's power source
His energy was used to power the MoL, not his powers. Those were negated, because otherwise he would have shapeshifted or teleported out.

Or maybe they're the same thing and his powers were drained, he's weakened either way
 
Why tf are we the only verse that actually applies antifeats man.

Hard disagree on the speed downgrade, I will reply in length later. Thats ass. Not gonna let that embarrassment pass.

Like first of all, Vox fires before Emily even notices whats happening and goes for the save. Its a FTL beam, Emily couldn’t go from her position to there to save Alastor and still only get her wing clipped if she was a billion times slower. Not even gonna mention how Alastor directly reacts to the beam by turning back right as it hits Em (although its more iffy).
Opinions on the rest of the CRT besides speed?
 
No idea how this argument is supposed to work lol, anyways.

At 3.53 Vox locks in and fires at Alastor. I don't understand how you thought he fired 4 seconds later when they literally SHOW us when he actually fired. Furthermore Charlie reacts to this attack so its definitely accurate in the timing of events (why wouldn't it be??)

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At 3.55 which is 2 seconds later when Charlie reacts, Emily starts flying from their location to Al.

At 3.56 she is already there and grabs him, pulls him out of the jaw all while we SEE the beam STILL traveling in the background. It didn't "just fire" we ALREADY saw it fire two entire scenes ago!!

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And that is NOT all, Emily then TURNS AROUND before the beam can actually tag her!! Literally if she just flew down or tried to dodge instead of getting shocked and off guarded I bet she would have dodged it just fine especially since it barely only hit one of her wings. No idea how you can see her face and think "yeah she definitely knew what to do here but couldn't because of the speed difference" lmao?? Girl has never been in a argument let alone battle for like her entire life, was she supposed to do a tactical roll and matrix her way out??

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She can not do ANY of this if she was Subconic. That would make her 2.6 million times slower than MoL.
 
My guy... that's angelic weapon. Ones you are making Tier 5 right now, you think they have normal gun speed? What?
Its Overlord level weapons, we see characters can seemingly "create" their own weapons or whatever Angel does. So I don't see why these would be normal, either way you could even argue they are play fighting so there could not even be a threat at all. Kinda like tag, is your friend strong enough to one shot you??
Valentino didn't go to a human shop and buy a random gun, we have a million characters use guns that arent subsonic.
Same ol', IMP one is sorta fair since they do have bad antifeats.

Like what?? Let me just drop some heat






https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dante_(Shin_Megami_Tensei)

Pick whatever you want from FTL to MHS to Immesurable speed guns.
 
See I actually agree with that, but the problem is that this is just one feat that's millions of times faster than every thing else against pretty much every other speed feet being into the subsonic to supersonic ranges.
Its literally done by a Top Tier, a Seraphim. Anyone above Vox scales to this, IMPs scaling is the thing thats inconsistent. Additionally like others mentioned Baxter has a Relativistic feat

HOW is this inconsistent to Adam or Lucifer for example??
 
Its literally done by a Top Tier, a Seraphim. Anyone above Vox scales to this, IMPs scaling is the thing thats inconsistent. Additionally like others mentioned Baxter has a Relativistic feat

HOW is this inconsistent to Adam or Lucifer for example??
Emily's not really a top tier. She gets caught by by Base Vox, who got hit by a drink Val threw, Husk and Niffty are relative to him, and they were about to due to the Exorcists without Lucifer's intervention. Regular sinners like Angel and Cherri fought the Exorcists too. Val's Robo-Fizz should scale because it managed to hit Cherri, and etc... Until you end up with everyone in the verse at FTL
 
It happened canonically didn't it? Unless you're arguing for Base Vox being millions of times faster than the other Vees.
Its a gag feat, its a joke, those get ignored especially when inconsistent. Yes this is real.

Idc if you scale Val to Vox just from the narrative but that doesn't cause any concern because the real antifeats are from IMP who only scale for one singular actual feat that can be debunked
 
That's all I wanted to say

MoL was fired before that I don't understand why Op did not mention that scene we saw directly before.

She turned around before it tagged her and was shocked, that isn't antifeat.

Don't use gun logic, especially not Hell or ANGELIC WEAPONS.

Just downgrade Imps because they are the ones that are inconsistent.

Farewell.
 
Its a gag feat, its a joke, those get ignored especially when inconsistent. Yes this is real.
It's not inconsistent though? Hell the gag in question is just someone throwing a drink at someone else, it's not even as much of a gag as Niffty running across the city Looney Tunes style, and yet we still take that feat seriously.
Idc if you scale Val to Vox just from the narrative but that doesn't cause any concern because the real antifeats are from IMP who only scale for one singular actual feat that can be debunked
I.M.P also scale to Goetias like Andrealphus, like the entirety of their fight in Sinsmas would have never happened if they had such a big speed gap. And Unless you want Pentious to be millions of times faster than a member of the Ars Goetias, they all scale to that feat.
Hell Striker managed to catch Stolas mid-flight, which if I recall was the argument used to remove his FTL flight speed
 
Emily's not really a top tier. She gets caught by by Base Vox, who got hit by a drink Val threw, Husk and Niffty are relative to him, and they were about to due to the Exorcists without Lucifer's intervention. Regular sinners like Angel and Cherri fought the Exorcists too. Val's Robo-Fizz should scale because it managed to hit Cherri, and etc... Until you end up with everyone in the verse at FTL
Emily caught off guard by vox
And vox is clearly faster and stronger and faster than val
Husk and niffty about to loose to exorcists because of their number.
Overlords arent ftl but they doesnt scale too low
They are far faster than their own value
 
Emily caught off guard by vox
How, she was deadass looking straight at him if she was FTL and he wasn't she would have easily perceived his attack and dodged.
And vox is clearly faster and stronger and faster than val
No? Like Vox is only that fast because of his electricity transformation. Otherwise he's never portrayed as faster, especially not in base.
Husk and niffty about to loose to exorcists because of their number.
Again if they weren't FTL, numbers wouldn't matter, they'd basically look like statues to them.
Overlords arent ftl but they doesnt scale too low
They are far faster than their own value
Do you have a reason to say this?
 
How, she was deadass looking straight at him if she was FTL and he wasn't she would have easily perceived his attack and dodged.
Classic plot hole in fiction, like batman can stop flash by putting his arm to flash's direction.
No? Like Vox is only that fast because of his electricity transformation. Otherwise he's never portrayed as faster, especially not in base.
Vox always portrayer as fastar then vees
Vox can fight with weakened alostor while other vees struugle to fight against niffty and husk.
Again if they weren't FTL, numbers wouldn't matter, they'd basically look like statues to them.
Exorcirsts are getting no diffed by one by but they didnt loose because of their number.
No exorcist did defend himself against husk and niffty , they got no diffed.
Do you have a reason to say this?
İ said it wrong
İf they dont get scaled to emily, we probably scale them at the same level as angel dust, cherrie or imps.
So im saying they would be faster than their own scale, more close to emily but not ftl
 
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