Heisenberg Vs The Screenslaver

[DimeUhDozen]

• Both have one week of prep time.
• No clear line of sight.

Walter White:
Evelyn Deavor:
Incon

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Assuming both have their best equipment here, Walt should take this more times than not. Not only does he have more combat experience, but he has more reliable and proficient ways of winning via guns, poison manip, acid manip, fire manip, etc. whereas most of Evelyn’s equipment she has to be in range to apply it to her opponents. Plus Walt more so excels at prep than even Evelyn imo since he’s taken out foes that were prepared for almost Walt (aka Gus). Also Stealth mastery gives him another advantage of hitting first considering neither have a direct line of sight.

Voting Walt for now unless something further is brought up.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Assuming both have their best equipment here, Walt should take this more times than not. Not only does he have more combat experience, but he has more reliable and proficient ways of winning via guns, poison manip, acid manip, fire manip, etc. whereas most of Evelyn’s equipment she has to be in range to apply it to her opponents. Plus Walt more so excels at prep than even Evelyn imo since he’s taken out foes that were prepared for almost Walt (aka Gus). Also Stealth mastery gives him another advantage of hitting first considering neither have a direct line of sight.

Voting Walt for now unless something further is brought up.

Keep in mind, Evelyn does have a ton of prep time, meaning she can gain access to not only vehicles like helicopters, weapons like bombs, and entire people through her screens to back her up. Elastigirl was prepared to fight someone in the apartment scene, and she's a well-trained superhero who's been fighting since the glory days, and through the person she controlled in that scene, she was able to take her off-guard, setting up the apartment-screen trap and setting conditions that would leave her in a bad spot. Her screens also nigh-instantly put her enemies in a trance, so if Walter takes one look at a screen, whether that be from a TV, a phone, or her goggles, she might have a wincon.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Keep in mind, Evelyn does have a ton of prep time, meaning she can gain access to not only vehicles like helicopters, weapons like bombs, and entire people through her screens to back her up. Elastigirl was prepared to fight someone in the apartment scene, and she's a well-trained superhero who's been fighting since the glory days, and through the person she controlled in that scene, she was able to take her off-guard, setting up the apartment-screen trap and setting conditions that would leave her in a bad spot. Her screens also nigh-instantly put her enemies in a trance, so if Walter takes one look at a screen, whether that be from a TV, a phone, or her goggles, she might have a wincon.

Walt also has access to his vehicles (although nothing like a helicopter), his own bombs, giant magnets that can pull things such as cars, weaponized his own vehicle with a machine gun that he can automatically fire on demand, etc. Considering Walt has a ton of prep too, he could use any number of equipment to take down any number of people she sent at him. He could also theoretically use his magnet to pull in and break all of the screens as well as the mind controlling devices off the people Evelyn sent at him right? That’s actually exactly what he used his magnet for in Breaking Bad (to break Gus’ laptop through a heavily guarded place) and considering he has a week to prepare, he’d have a enough time to set this up too.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

• Both have one week of prep time.
• No clear line of sight.

Walter White:
Evelyn Deavor:
Incon

Also just realized both wear very similar button up shirts lol

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Walt also has access to his vehicles (although nothing like a helicopter), his own bombs, giant magnets that can pull things such as cars, weaponized his own vehicle with a machine gun that he can automatically fire on demand, etc. Considering Walt has a ton of prep too, he could use any number of equipment to take down any number of people she sent at him. He could also theoretically use his magnet to pull in and break all of the screens as well as the mind controlling devices off the people Evelyn sent at him right? That’s actually exactly what he used his magnet for in Breaking Bad (to break Gus’ laptop through a heavily guarded place) and considering he has a week to prepare, he’d have a enough time to set this up too.

I don't think Walt has as much accessibility as Evelyn would considering that she's the CEO of the largest electronics company on the planet, even without the mind-control tech. The machine gun can fire automatically, but not as accurately. In the scene from Breaking Bad, it fires in one direction haphazardly, something Evelyn's tech could easily take out. And considering he would be able to use the magnet on the screens, it would also attract her explosives, making it all the more easier for them to quite literally blow up in his face, thus removing the problem. Considering the Screenslaver's costume and her own gas mask, the poison wouldn't be much of an issue. Walter's acid manipulation takes a lot of time to set up and it was only used to kill someone who was already incapable of moving. The chemicals he used on the superlab also took a while to kick in and Evelyn with the prep time and tactical mind she has would probably realize the problem before it has a time to hinder her. Even considering their battle arena, he'd probably get caught in the explosion too. Her bombs and his mercury would probably be evenly usable for the both of them though. Her using the likes of helicopters and any vehicle with a screen to just crash into him at a faster rate and using lights to flash at him so he wouldn't be able to get a clear shot at her is more than likely as it's the same tactic she uses on Elastigirl several times.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Also just realized both wear very similar button up shirts lol

Also she's Saul Goodman's sister lmao.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

I don't think Walt has as much accessibility as Evelyn would considering that she's the CEO of the largest electronics company on the planet, even without the mind-control tech.

Fair but Walt doesn’t really need that CEO level of accessibility to put up a fight. He can do a heck of a whole lot with his kit. Also besides the screens/mind controlling devices, bombs, helicopter, and electro shocking weapon she doesn’t really utilize much else in combat for someone that’s the CEO of the largest electronics company on the planet.

The machine gun can fire automatically, but not as accurately. In the scene from Breaking Bad, it fires in one direction haphazardly, something Evelyn's tech could easily take out.

From a helicopter? (If we’re assuming she’d be in a vehicle most of the fight) It’d easily take out anyone that she was controlling as it’d take them and her completely off guard as it just pops out of the trunk and starts shooting.

And considering he would be able to use the magnet on the screens, it would also attract her explosives, making it all the more easier for them to quite literally blow up in his face, thus removing the problem.

iirc the magnet can be remotely activated and deactivated to different degrees of magnification therefore Walt really doesn’t need to be around it thus removing the bomb problem and also kinda giving him another edge as the bomb is out of the way.

Considering the Screenslaver's costume and her own gas mask, the poison wouldn't be much of an issue. Walter's acid manipulation takes a lot of time to set up and it was only used to kill someone who was already incapable of moving. The chemicals he used on the superlab also took a while to kick in and Evelyn with the prep time and tactical mind she has would probably realize the problem before it has a time to hinder her.

Fair concerning the poison although it could be an issue if she tried to face Walt without the mask. Walt’s acid could be used as a trap for the people she sends at him, and Walt needed time in that specific situation to leave the building. He has access to matches, blowtorch’s, and thermite to have the fire process faster.

Even considering their battle arena, he'd probably get caught in the explosion too. Her bombs and his mercury would probably be evenly usable for the both of them though. Her using the likes of helicopters and any vehicle with a screen to just crash into him at a faster rate and using lights to flash at him so he wouldn't be able to get a clear shot at her is more than likely as it's the same tactic she uses on Elastigirl several times.

Idk, Central Park’s fairly big and he and Walt has pipe bombs as well that can be remotely detonated or rigged to detonate. Mercury would probably only be used as a last resort or if he rigged it as a trap or something. He could use multiple vehicles to drive around in this situation or even throw her off on his exact location via stealth mastery. I’d argue he has a better shot while she’s on the pursuit looking for him and distracted by Walt’s other stuff.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Also she's Saul Goodman's sister lmao.

We all know Saul would annihilate her with his SI

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Idk, Central Park’s fairly big and he and Walt has pipe bombs as well that can be remotely detonated or rigged to detonate. Mercury would probably only be used as a last resort or if he rigged it as a trap or something. He could use multiple vehicles to drive around in this situation or even throw her off on his exact location via stealth mastery. I’d argue he has a better shot while she’s on the pursuit looking for him and distracted by Walt’s other stuff.

I dunno considering she’s really good at multitasking. During the battle on the boat, she had to control multiple supers at once while tracking down Violet and Dash. And if she’s that focused while dealing with people with superhuman abilities like invisibility and super-speed, she shouldn’t have a problem with Walter. This is also taking into account that unlike Walt, she doesn’t have to physically be in the vehicles in order for them to pose a threat. She didn’t have a problem making that chopper attempt to ram into Elastigirl’s even from halfway across the city. Even if it does come down to close combat after all is said and done, her AP and Dura are sufficiently stronger than his.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Missed some points, so let's address them here.

Fair but Walt doesn’t really need that CEO level of accessibility to put up a fight. He can do a heck of a whole lot with his kit. Also besides the screens/mind controlling devices, bombs, helicopter, and electro shocking weapon she doesn’t really utilize much else in combat for someone that’s the CEO of the largest electronics company on the planet.

Uh... yeah she does. She utilizes multiple people on the helicopter fleet for her scheme, as well as the train driver, the pizza guy, Elastigirl, Bob, the supers... etc... All of this was because she wanted to keep a low profile as some random terrorist as to not draw attention to herself, which she wouldn't do for this fight.

From a helicopter? (If we’re assuming she’d be in a vehicle most of the fight) It’d easily take out anyone that she was controlling as it’d take them and her completely off guard as it just pops out of the trunk and starts shooting.

In... only one direction. Walt isn't able to properly aim it, just where his car is. And I don't think he'd be able to react to a helicopter just ramming it at top speed, much less upwards from it's position. And even if he did kill the person steering it, it would still crash there in a fiery explosion as intended.

iirc the magnet can be remotely activated and deactivated to different degrees of magnification therefore Walt really doesn’t need to be around it thus removing the bomb problem and also kinda giving him another edge as the bomb is out of the way.

Fair, but it would still reveal the location of the magnet and where Evelyn needs to throw it in order to get it out of the fight.

Fair concerning the poison although it could be an issue if she tried to face Walt without the mask. Walt’s acid could be used as a trap for the people she sends at him, and Walt needed time in that specific situation to leave the building.

Once the first guy goes down, Evelyn would simply just tell the others, "hey, this place is filled with acid, maybe don't tread there", and Walt leaving that location in particular would make her suspicious of the trap anyways.

He has access to matches, blowtorch’s, and thermite to have the fire process faster.

And Evelyn has access to her screens with just a click of a button, not to mention having it be much more unsuspecting than fire which reveals itself as a threat much faster than her tech which is specifically designed to not look like a threat at first.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

I dunno considering she’s really good at multitasking. During the battle on the boat, she had to control multiple supers at once while tracking down Violet and Dash. And if she’s that focused while dealing with people with superhuman abilities like invisibility and super-speed, she shouldn’t have a problem with Walter.

In that said scene, she gets really distracted and taken off guard by Jack Jack and when shit hits the fan she abandons ship and tries to get away and completely relies on the ship annihilating the city. And tbh she did a pretty poor job managing the situation considering not only did she get distracted, but had the most experienced and powerful supers in the palm of her hand and still lost to inexperienced super kids (one being an infant) Walt doesn’t need super powers to win this fight, he’s proved his own in outsmarting Gus, keeping his identity safe for 2 years before getting caught by Hank who was head of the DEA (which was by pure coincidence), and many more examples of feats.

This is also taking into account that unlike Walt, she doesn’t have to physically be in the vehicles in order for them to pose a threat. She didn’t have a problem making that chopper attempt to ram into Elastigirl’s even from halfway across the city. Even if it does come down to close combat after all is said and done, her AP and Dura are sufficiently stronger than his.

That’s if she spotted Walt, who’s to say he doesn’t park one of his vehicles (like the RV) in the park as a trap as she (or her henchmen) investigates or rams it with her vehicles only to get blown up? Also AP and Dura doesn’t really matter since Walt has a gun and a ton of other equipment to get around that. I don’t see Evelyn sneaking up and spotting Walt before he spots her nor having the combat experience to disarm him either

Uh... yeah she does. She utilizes multiple people on the helicopter fleet for her scheme, as well as the train driver, the pizza guy, Elastigirl, Bob, the supers... etc... All of this was because she wanted to keep a low profile as some random terrorist as to not draw attention to herself, which she wouldn't do for this fight.

That’s what I was eluding to when I said mind control powers (that being with her fleet of people she’s controlling on hand) but like I said earlier, Walt has an entire week to get his equipment ready. This should be more than enough time to set up stuff to take out human level - mayybe street level mind controlled people. Also if we’re using the supers in this fight then it’s a stomp lol.

In... only one direction. Walt isn't able to properly aim it, just where his car is. And I don't think he'd be able to react to a helicopter just ramming it at top speed, much less upwards from it's position. And even if he did kill the person steering it, it would still crash there in a fiery explosion as intended.

The only reason he didn’t use it more effectively in the finale of Breaking Bad was because he had nothing really left to live for after killing Jack and the gang. He could probably make some adjustments or make use it at a proper time to kill any of her henchmen and/or her if she was there in those circumstances.

Fair, but it would still reveal the location of the magnet and where Evelyn needs to throw it in order to get it out of the fight.

Yea fair but Walt would likely make numerous magnets. If he can make a pipe bomb, a machine gun rig, a magnet that can pull in cars, etc in less than a day for each one he’s probably going to make multiple kinds of his shit. Even if he didn’t, he’d at least get a number of her screens, bombs, and/or vehicles out of the way.

Once the first guy goes down, Evelyn would simply just tell the others, "hey, this place is filled with acid, maybe don't tread there", and Walt leaving that location in particular would make her suspicious of the trap anyways.

Fair but it would at least be effective against some of her especially if made use of it more than once in several different locations.

And Evelyn has access to her screens with just a click of a button, not to mention having it be much more unsuspecting than fire which reveals itself as a threat much faster than her tech which is specifically designed to not look like a threat at first.

Fair but it’s not effective if she can’t find Walt and the fire could be effective if he had a “screw it” moment and set Central Park on fire or if he set one of her men on fire. Also probably should’ve mentioned this earlier but Walt has 3 vehicles on hand in this situation, and with 80 million dollars on hand he could probably park a ton of vehicles for set up options or for get away options. Also Walt will probably invest in a ton of equipment for prep with his 80 million dollars on hand. Again Walt excels at prep, and with a week, he’d definitely come up with a good plan or tactic to use with all his equipment at use.

 

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In that said scene, she gets really distracted and taken off guard by Jack Jack and when shit hits the fan she abandons ship and tries to get away and completely relies on the ship annihilating the city. And tbh she did a pretty poor job managing the situation considering not only did she get distracted, but had the most experienced and powerful supers in the palm of her hand and still lost to inexperienced super kids (one being an infant) Walt doesn’t need super powers to win this fight, he’s proved his own in outsmarting Gus, keeping his identity safe for 2 years before getting caught by Hank who was head of the DEA (which was by pure coincidence), and many more examples of feats.

Fair, but Jack-Jack was a completely unaccounted for factor in her plan and is generally a mindfuck and a half for even his parents. Walt is a guy who is 100 times more easier to factor in than the unpredictable powers of a super baby. Plus, Evelyn's been keeping this entire situation under wraps for a while, and I can't imagine it would have been easy doing so while keeping close contact with her brother. Especially on such a large scale.

That’s if she spotted Walt, who’s to say he doesn’t park one of his vehicles (like the RV) in the park as a trap as she (or her henchmen) investigates or rams it with her vehicles only to get blown up? Also AP and Dura doesn’t really matter since Walt has a gun and a ton of other equipment to get around that. I don’t see Evelyn sneaking up and spotting Walt before he spots her nor having the combat experience to disarm him either

I think you're overestimating Walt's stealth skills just a little bit. If one of her henchman investigates it, that gives away his location plus if you're suggesting that he uses his prep time to place explosives there, that's exactly what The Screenslaver does in her first outing. Hide an explosive ahead of time in the apartment while being equally stealthy and taking Elastigirl off-guard. She may not have direct combat experience, but the mind that drives her stealthy slaves is still her mind. She says as much that she gave her a good fight through him.

That’s what I was eluding to when I said mind control powers (that being with her fleet of people she’s controlling on hand) but like I said earlier, Walt has an entire week to get his equipment ready. This should be more than enough time to set up stuff to take out human level - mayybe street level mind controlled people. Also if we’re using the supers in this fight then it’s a stomp lol.

Supers wouldn't be fair, and we're not. Just whoever is available in Central Park.

The only reason he didn’t use it more effectively in the finale of Breaking Bad was because he had nothing really left to live for after killing Jack and the gang. He could probably make some adjustments or make use it at a proper time to kill any of her henchmen and/or her if she was there in those circumstances.

You could argue Evelyn was setback similarly by having to keep a low profile for her plan to work; framing it on some surly pizza guy instead of CEO, thus not being able to make the most out of her resources and purposefully making it so that Elastigirl won the fight in order for her to play into her hands. He would have to be dealing with a Screenslaver who used all of the resources on hand and her riches.

Yea fair but Walt would likely make numerous magnets. If he can make a pipe bomb, a machine gun rig, a magnet that can pull in cars, etc in less than a day for each one he’s probably going to make multiple kinds of his shit. Even if he didn’t, he’d at least get a number of her screens, bombs, and/or vehicles out of the way.

And in Central Park, they would stick out like a sore thumb. Especially if they were magnets pulling them in that direction. And if she has a week to prepare, she shouldn't have a problem getting all the explosives she can if she was able to get just one while keeping a low profile.

Fair but it would at least be effective against some of her especially if made use of it more than once in several different locations.

Who's to say she wouldn't do the same with her equipment?

Fair but it’s not effective if she can’t find Walt and the fire could be effective if he had a “screw it” moment and set Central Park on fire or if he set one of her men on fire. Also probably should’ve mentioned this earlier but Walt has 3 vehicles on hand in this situation, and with 80 million dollars on hand he could probably park a ton of vehicles for set up options or for get away options. Also Walt will probably invest in a ton of equipment for prep with his 80 million dollars on hand. Again Walt excels at prep, and with a week, he’d definitely come up with a good plan or tactic to use with all his equipment at use.

And Evelyn would do the same. She could set up Central Park as someplace filled with screens and set it up like some kind of festival, the same way she set up the apartment where she was hiding the pizza guy as a place filled with lights. Again, you haven't answered for any of my propositions regarding the screens. If Walt looks at one of the screens, he's done for. And even if he blocks his vision, he would have to go through the entire fight blind just like Elastigirl was in the fight which is something he lacks the senses for. Driving or sneaking around blind is not easy, especially if there are lights everywhere giving you no place to hide.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Also, Walt didn't make the magnet. He bought it from Old Joe. And there's no guarantee that he would have more.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Fair, but Jack-Jack was a completely unaccounted for factor in her plan and is generally a mindfuck and a half for even his parents. Walt is a guy who is 100 times more easier to factor in than the unpredictable powers of a super baby. Plus, Evelyn's been keeping this entire situation under wraps for a while, and I can't imagine it would have been easy doing so while keeping close contact with her brother. Especially on such a large scale.

Fair, Jack Jack is such a mindfuck but a magnet pulling in all her screens, bombs going off, acid, fire, and other traps happening simultaneously between all of the people Evelyn controlling would be overwhelming. Same goes for Walt’s situation. He’s trying to keep his drug operation under wraps while hiding all this from his family, his brother in law that head of the DEA, making sure to launder his money well enough to not seem suspicious, while also dealing with Skyler, Jessie, Tuco, Todd, Saul’s etc bullshit at the same time.

I think you're overestimating Walt's stealth skills just a little bit. If one of her henchman investigates it, that gives away his location plus if you're suggesting that he uses his prep time to place explosives there, that's exactly what The Screenslaver does in her first outing. Hide an explosive ahead of time in the apartment while being equally stealthy and taking Elastigirl off-guard. She may not have direct combat experience, but the mind that drives her stealthy slaves is still her mind. She says as much that she gave her a good fight through him.

I mean, the guy was capable of sneaking into Skyler’s house while being under high protection of the police undetected and keep in mind he was probably the most wanted criminal in America at that point. How does it give away Walt’s position? He parks the RV and sneaks off or he plants the vehicle their before she can even have a location on him. I’d assume that my opponent would be in a RV or other vehicle in the middle of Central Park lol. Fair concerning the explosives, although Walt can do the exact same thing. I’d argue that it’s harder to control multiple people’s mind than one person controlling his own lol. Especially considering all the stuff that will be happening in this fight. Also who’s to say Evelyn doesn’t come with her henchmen to come and look for Walter? Putting herself at risk as well.

Supers wouldn't be fair, and we're not. Just whoever is available in Central Park.

Ok cool

You could argue Evelyn was setback similarly by having to keep a low profile for her plan to work; framing it on some surly pizza guy instead of CEO, thus not being able to make the most out of her resources and purposefully making it so that Elastigirl won the fight in order for her to play into her hands. He would have to be dealing with a Screenslaver who used all of the resources on hand and her riches.

Walt’s situation wasn’t really a setback and more of a last thing on his to do list situation before he had nothing to do with his life/fulfilled everything he wanted to and truly lived. Same thing with Walt in this situation, she’d have to deal with a Walt with all his resources and riches and truly being the danger lol.

And in Central Park, they would stick out like a sore thumb. Especially if they were magnets pulling them in that direction. And if she has a week to prepare, she shouldn't have a problem getting all the explosives she can if she was able to get just one while keeping a low profile.

Wouldn’t really matter if it stuck out like a sore thumb, what would matter is all her equipment being pulled by something from multiple different areas of the park. She would be put a massive disadvantage if she happens to be in a vehicle or is actively looking for Walt along side her men and she gets pulled in somehow, is in radius of a bomb exploding, or is projectile hit by something being pulled in.

Who's to say she wouldn't do the same with her equipment?

Who’s to say that Walt wouldn’t be more efficient with his equipment than hers given all the edges he has with stuff?

And Evelyn would do the same. She could set up Central Park as someplace filled with screens and set it up like some kind of festival, the same way she set up the apartment where she was hiding the pizza guy as a place filled with lights. Again, you haven't answered for any of my propositions regarding the screens. If Walt looks at one of the screens, he's done for. And even if he blocks his vision, he would have to go through the entire fight blind just like Elastigirl was in the fight which is something he lacks the senses for. Driving or sneaking around blind is not easy, especially if there are lights everywhere giving you no place to hide.

If she did that, it would just be more dangerous for her because of magnetism, fire manip, explosion manip, etc. Imagine a bajillion screens being pulled in by a magnet somewhere of his choice.

Also, Walt didn't make the magnet. He bought it from Old Joe. And there's no guarantee that he would have more.

There’s no guarantee that he wouldn’t utilize it again, find a way to get more via connections , or that there’s no guarantee that Old Joe just doesn’t have more lol

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Fair, Jack Jack is such a mindfuck but a magnet pulling in all her screens, bombs going off, acid, fire, and other traps happening simultaneously between all of the people Evelyn controlling would be overwhelming. Same goes for Walt’s situation. He’s trying to keep his drug operation under wraps while hiding all this from his family, his brother in law that head of the DEA, making sure to launder his money well enough to not seem suspicious, while also dealing with Skyler, Jessie, Tuco, Todd, Saul’s etc bullshit at the same time.


I mean, the guy was capable of sneaking into Skyler’s house while being under high protection of the police undetected and keep in mind he was probably the most wanted criminal in America at that point. How does it give away Walt’s position? He parks the RV and sneaks off or he plants the vehicle their before she can even have a location on him. I’d assume that my opponent would be in a RV or other vehicle in the middle of Central Park lol. Fair concerning the explosives, although Walt can do the exact same thing. I’d argue that it’s harder to control multiple people’s mind than one person controlling his own lol. Especially considering all the stuff that will be happening in this fight. Also who’s to say Evelyn doesn’t come with her henchmen to come and look for Walter? Putting herself at risk as well.

That isn't typically how Evelyn operates. Most of the time, she operates from a distance as mission control until she absolutely has to get involved, so it's more than likely they'll be attacking each other with their explosives like it's a minefield with cars and hijacked vehicles causing an entire explosion-fest while she can safely operate from somewhere like her plane.

Walt’s situation wasn’t really a setback and more of a last thing on his to do list situation before he had nothing to do with his life/fulfilled everything he wanted to and truly lived. Same thing with Walt in this situation, she’d have to deal with a Walt with all his resources and riches and truly being the danger lol.

So they'd be even in that respect.

Wouldn’t really matter if it stuck out like a sore thumb, what would matter is all her equipment being pulled by something from multiple different areas of the park. She would be put a massive disadvantage if she happens to be in a vehicle or is actively looking for Walt along side her men and she gets pulled in somehow, is in radius of a bomb exploding, or is projectile hit by something being pulled in.

Which she wouldn't do since she absolutely loves having her resources do the work for her. Take her first "fight" with Elastigirl for example. Or using Elastigirl to fight Mr. Incredible. They're both gaslighting manipulators who do all they can to make sure everything is under their control. And even so, once the magnet is found, she can use a chopper to crash into it thus stopping the problem.

Who’s to say that Walt wouldn’t be more efficient with his equipment than hers given all the edges he has with stuff?

It wouldn't make that much more of a difference since both have the resources to make good use of their equipment.

If she did that, it would just be more dangerous for her because of magnetism, fire manip, explosion manip, etc. Imagine a bajillion screens being pulled in by a magnet somewhere of his choice.

I don't think the magnet would be that powerful. She could make the screens planted into the ground as they usually are for these types of events. Much less easier to pull in than a car or a couple of shelves. Even then, Walter would have to activate them and have them all work to the extent that they would get him out of the situation. And if they ended up in that location? Chopper crash on the location. Bye bye, magnet. I'm guessing the magnet is remote-activated so benefit of the doubt. Her screens can also be activated via remote so the lights can be lit up/chopper directed towards the magnet in time. Walter also has to either be looking at the screens or looking away from the lights in this situation so he would still be open to attack.

There’s no guarantee that he wouldn’t utilize it again, find a way to get more via connections , or that there’s no guarantee that Old Joe just doesn’t have more lol

That's assuming. Evelyn definitely can buy more explosives and screens since there's a market for that and she's CEO of the biggest media firm in the world, but we have no idea if Old Joe has more since there was no explicitly stating that was the case in-show, or if Walter can even find as many as necessary to pull in the screens anywhere. He has one week to get them all and plant them. I don't see him getting that kind of prep time in a week, whereas as a CEO with a lot of people at her disposal, Evelyn can definitely get in that kind of work. And that's even assuming that he would even think to need the magnets since he's not a mind-reader and he doesn't know what Evelyn is willing to pull.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

******* magnets. How do they work?

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

That isn't typically how Evelyn operates. Most of the time, she operates from a distance as mission control until she absolutely has to get involved, so it's more than likely they'll be attacking each other with their explosives like it's a minefield with cars and hijacked vehicles causing an entire explosion-fest while she can safely operate from somewhere like her plane.

She can’t stall up there forever, eventually she’d run out of people or equipment and either have a “fine I’ll do it myself” moment or she’d have to mind control other people and leave Central Park to go find some. Giving Walt more time to be prepared.

So they'd be even in that respect.

Yeah but with the counters Walt has to some of her equipment, it’d arguably be more valuable to him imo

Which she wouldn't do since she absolutely loves having her resources do the work for her. Take her first "fight" with Elastigirl for example. Or using Elastigirl to fight Mr. Incredible. They're both gaslighting manipulators who do all they can to make sure everything is under their control. And even so, once the magnet is found, she can use a chopper to crash into it thus stopping the problem.

She’d be wasting not only Walter’s equipment but her own at that point, maybe just her own if he has multiple magnets lol. I agree to her camping out for most of the battle and the manipulation aspect of both characters, but I would think she’d only be able to do much multitasking through random people she found and trying to meditate through Walt’s kit.

It wouldn't make that much more of a difference since both have the resources to make good use of their equipment.

It doesn’t make much of a difference that Walt’s more efficient with his resources to arguably be a bit better at abusing her tactics?

I don't think the magnet would be that powerful. She could make the screens planted into the ground as they usually are for these types of events. Much less easier to pull in than a car or a couple of shelves. Even then, Walter would have to activate them and have them all work to the extent that they would get him out of the situation. And if they ended up in that location? Chopper crash on the location. Bye bye, magnet. I'm guessing the magnet is remote-activated so benefit of the doubt. Her screens can also be activated via remote so the lights can be lit up/chopper directed towards the magnet in time. Walter also has to either be looking at the screens or looking away from the lights in this situation so he would still be open to attack.

I feel like a Class 5 magnification pull would be enough to at least rip the screen from off a pole. Also Walt couldn’t go full power because it was tipping over the getaway vehicle he was using the magnets, he wouldn’t have that problem here and can utilize its full power as well being away from the magnet. Also what if Evelyn tries to get a hit in on Walt and her helicopter or plane gets slightly affected by the magnet? I’d argue she’d either freak out and abandon ship or the magnet might pull the jet plane in and harming her in the process. Although the chopper getting rid of the magnet isn’t that big of an issue for Walt if he happens to have more than one.

That's assuming. Evelyn definitely can buy more explosives and screens since there's a market for that and she's CEO of the biggest media firm in the world, but we have no idea if Old Joe has more since there was no explicitly stating that was the case in-show, or if Walter can even find as many as necessary to pull in the screens anywhere. He has one week to get them all and plant them. I don't see him getting that kind of prep time in a week, whereas as a CEO with a lot of people at her disposal, Evelyn can definitely get in that kind of work. And that's even assuming that he would even think to need the magnets since he's not a mind-reader and he doesn't know what Evelyn is willing to pull.

There’s nothing stating that Joe DIDN’T have more lol. I’d argue a class 5 force is enough to get a lot in the area, especially if he has more than one. Walt is the best meth manufacturer in South America, and has 80 million dollars on hand, I’m pretty sure he has the ability to at least purchase another one or more. I mean, Walt is a major multitasker as well, so making Mercury, pipe bombs, getting poison ready, his chemicals and fire equipment, AND getting at least a couple magnets wouldn’t be hard nor would it be outlandish to think that considering his history with multitasking and preparation.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

******* magnets. How do they work?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

She can’t stall up there forever, eventually she’d run out of people or equipment and either have a “fine I’ll do it myself” moment or she’d have to mind control other people and leave Central Park to go find some. Giving Walt more time to be prepared.

She would do the first, I agree, but I don't think it would come to that since she has a lot of screens to hack. Cars with screens inside them, choppers, planes, people on their phones.

Yeah but with the counters Walt has to some of her equipment, it’d arguably be more valuable to him imo

That's fair, but I'll be arguing for the idea that he only has just the one.

She’d be wasting not only Walter’s equipment but her own at that point, maybe just her own if he has multiple magnets lol. I agree to her camping out for most of the battle and the manipulation aspect of both characters, but I would think she’d only be able to do much multitasking through random people she found and trying to meditate through Walt’s kit.

Another proposition then. Evelyn strategically ramming the helicopter against the magnet but not to the extent that it would crash, leaving it still viable for further use. Also, she was able to make extremely good use out of just the pizza guy she found so I wouldn't underestimate her.

It doesn’t make much of a difference that Walt’s more efficient with his resources to arguably be a bit better at abusing her tactics?

It would, just not to a tide tide-tipping degree.

I feel like a Class 5 magnification pull would be enough to at least rip the screen from off a pole. Also Walt couldn’t go full power because it was tipping over the getaway vehicle he was using the magnets, he wouldn’t have that problem here and can utilize its full power as well being away from the magnet. Also what if Evelyn tries to get a hit in on Walt and her helicopter or plane gets slightly affected by the magnet? I’d argue she’d either freak out and abandon ship or the magnet might pull the jet plane in and harming her in the process. Although the chopper getting rid of the magnet isn’t that big of an issue for Walt if he happens to have more than one.

The weight of your average chopper ranges from 1,590 kg to 3,180 kg, and the average weight of a car is 1,302 kg. The chopper comes out of this on top since that is still quite a gap. And let's assume Evelyn gets a few screens; a few really big screens like jumbotrons. That would come out to 11,339.809 kg, stuff the magnet couldn't even fathom pulling away. And the final nail in the coffin to your theory, Evelyn's plane getting pulled in by the magnet. Your average plane weighs in at a whopping 80,000 kg. I'm afraid that even at max power, that magnet is not handling that.

There’s nothing stating that Joe DIDN’T have more lol.

Schrodinger's Cat something something visual novel something something invalid argument.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

She would do the first, I agree, but I don't think it would come to that since she has a lot of screens to hack. Cars with screens inside them, choppers, planes, people on their phones.

Great thing about Walt is that he doesn’t have ANY screen based equipment lmao. Anyways I’d argue that it probably would come to that when she’s used up all her people/magnet goes brr and takes the goggles off her henchmen.

That's fair, but I'll be arguing for the idea that he only has just the one.

Ok that’s fair but I’ll be arguing for the idea that he at least has more than one lmao.

Another proposition then. Evelyn strategically ramming the helicopter against the magnet but not to the extent that it would crash, leaving it still viable for further use. Also, she was able to make extremely good use out of just the pizza guy she found so I wouldn't underestimate her.

Strategically taking out a magnet without any damage that would make it unusable? I see it as extremely unlikely that it would be more useful than a straight up **** it and crashing into it. It would also only leave her henchmen or herself open to attack if she tried to do it herself.

It would, just not to a tide tide-tipping degree.

Likely enough or at least a bit of a degree to give Walt more grounds on winning

The weight of your average chopper ranges from 1,590 kg to 3,180 kg, and the average weight of a car is 1,302 kg. The chopper comes out of this on top since that is still quite a gap. And let's assume Evelyn gets a few screens; a few really big screens like jumbotrons. That would come out to 11,339.809 kg, stuff the magnet couldn't even fathom pulling away. And the final nail in the coffin to your theory, Evelyn's plane getting pulled in by the magnet. Your average plane weighs in at a whopping 80,000 kg. I'm afraid that even at max power, that magnet is not handling that.

Alright you got me with the plane and chopper. There being a couple of jumbotrons in Central Park is funny to me though with all the screen type shit, I’d assume Walt would get the memo that screen = bad and attempt to go behind it and bomb it or try to look away from it.

That’s even if she’d really want to spend money on Jumbotrons instead of just regular screens, goggles, or bombs and stuff. At least with Walt, I could see him at least buying another magnet given the success of its use. It’s really unlikely that Evelyn would go the 4k 200,000 in. screen route in the middle of Central Park imo.

Schrodinger's Cat something something visual novel something something invalid argument.

Fair but what’s stopping Walt from purchasing at least another one given its success if not that?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Great thing about Walt is that he doesn’t have ANY screen based equipment lmao. Anyways I’d argue that it probably would come to that when she’s used up all her people/magnet goes brr and takes the goggles off her henchmen.

So now that we have the magnet out of the way, she has less of a reason to come down.

Strategically taking out a magnet without any damage that would make it unusable? I see it as extremely unlikely that it would be more useful than a straight up **** it and crashing into it. It would also only leave her henchmen or herself open to attack if she tried to do it herself.

Alright, we'll keep it to the kamikaze technique, but it still very much a useful solution to wiping out his magnet. In the film, she has three usable choppers. Two for your proposed magnets and one for the vehicle with the machine gun, and even then, she has plenty of screens to work with. New York is filled with screens and she is in her natural playing field.

Alright you got me with the plane and chopper. There being a couple of jumbotrons in Central Park is funny to me though with all the screen type shit, I’d assume Walt would get the memo that screen = bad and attempt to go behind it and bomb it or try to look away from it.

That’s even if she’d really want to spend money on Jumbotrons instead of just regular screens, goggles, or bombs and stuff. At least with Walt, I could see him at least buying another magnet given the success of its use. It’s really unlikely that Evelyn would go the 4k 200,000 in. screen route in the middle of Central Park imo.

That's true, but even so, she still would go in for a hefty amount of weighted screens. Screens that would be separated quite a bit. And even considering the weight, it would have to use up its power, enough to drag in his own guns, cars and explosives. That is also accounting for the explosives Evelyn has on the field. They wouldn't be able to get all of them, and Evelyn has the option of retreating into the city where there are screens galore for Walter to catch her and promptly get flashbanged by all the lights once they're both out of tricks. Evelyn could also just autopilot the plane to crash into Walter while she hops off and escapes into the city where she would have the advantage.

Fair but what’s stopping Walt from purchasing at least another one given its success if not that?

I accept the proposition of at most two magnets.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

So now that we have the magnet out of the way, she has less of a reason to come down.

I feel like that most of the goggles and screens would be magnetized and broken before one of the choppers goes kamikaze on it. I was mainly saying once she’s out of all her people she’s found and if she had a hard time spotting Walt, she’d try to go after him herself. She seems like the “fine I’ll do it myself” type villain when things don’t go as planned.

Alright, we'll keep it to the kamikaze technique, but it still very much a useful solution to wiping out his magnet. In the film, she has three usable choppers. Two for your proposed magnets and one for the vehicle with the machine gun, and even then, she has plenty of screens to work with. New York is filled with screens and she is in her natural playing field.

He also has the RV, his mint green car, his car he purchased after that, and any other car he decides to purchase and rig. Central Park is the least screen filled part of New York, if her main battle ground was the park then I’d assume she’d focus on her screen filled park wonderland lol. The only reason she’d go to the city part of it would be to get access to people, which wouldn’t it be time consuming to hack the broadcast of what’s showing in Times Square or wherever there happens to be a screen when have your own screens (That the magnets will be taking care of anyway)?

That's true, but even so, she still would go in for a hefty amount of weighted screens. Screens that would be separated quite a bit. And even considering the weight, it would have to use up its power, enough to drag in his own guns, cars and explosives. That is also accounting for the explosives Evelyn has on the field. They wouldn't be able to get all of them, and Evelyn has the option of retreating into the city where there are screens galore for Walter to catch her and promptly get flashbanged by all the lights once they're both out of tricks. Evelyn could also just autopilot the plane to crash into Walter while she hops off and escapes into the city where she would have the advantage.

Would she explicitly go for weighted screens or for spacing? She has no prior knowledge of Walt’s capabilities with equipment. Regardless the weight or spacing of the screens, the screen wouldn’t be the main issue compared to the goggles. I’d imagine Evelyn would freak out similar to how she did with the boat battle if her mind controlled people went out and would either take matters into her own hands or dip. If she left into the city, again I think he’d be smart enough to put together screen=bad and wouldn’t go into the city and further strategize until she decided to go back. If she decided to get out of the plane, Walt wins via his gun or any number of his equipment.

If she decided to go autopilot mode on him, she’d have to exit the plane right? If it was mid air, then I don’t think she has anything that would save her fall and she’d probably die. If she tried to do it on the ground in Central Park and attempt to escape, the plane would have to build up speed and Walt would have time to react. Plus she’d be left open for attack.

I accept the proposition of at most two magnets.

I’ll accept and agree to two magnets as well. Both being i different places of Central Park should do the job on her goggles and screens. And she’d at some point have to get in range to fight in combat with Walt where he would win via his gun or by other means.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I feel like that most of the goggles and screens would be magnetized and broken before one of the choppers goes kamikaze on it. I was mainly saying once she’s out of all her people she’s found and if she had a hard time spotting Walt, she’d try to go after him herself. She seems like the “fine I’ll do it myself” type villain when things don’t go as planned.

She would, but not before expending every single resource she has available, which is not going to be easy.

He also has the RV, his mint green car, his car he purchased after that, and any other car he decides to purchase and rig. Central Park is the least screen filled part of New York, if her main battle ground was the park then I’d assume she’d focus on her screen filled park wonderland lol. The only reason she’d go to the city part of it would be to get access to people, which wouldn’t it be time consuming to hack the broadcast of what’s showing in Times Square or wherever there happens to be a screen when have your own screens (That the magnets will be taking care of anyway)?

He can't just remote control all of them or be in different places at once. If she blows one up with him inside, he's a dead man. And she wouldn't just rely on a plan that has backfired as you've said, which is why when all expendable options are finished, she would retreat to restock. That or hijack the screens of some more cars or people.

Would she explicitly go for weighted screens or for spacing? She has no prior knowledge of Walt’s capabilities with equipment. Regardless the weight or spacing of the screens, the screen wouldn’t be the main issue compared to the goggles. I’d imagine Evelyn would freak out similar to how she did with the boat battle if her mind controlled people went out and would either take matters into her own hands or dip. If she left into the city, again I think he’d be smart enough to put together screen=bad and wouldn’t go into the city and further strategize until she decided to go back. If she decided to get out of the plane, Walt wins via his gun or any number of his equipment.

Neither does Walt, yet you insist on him bringing more than one magnet. And you've yet to give me an exact range of the magnet's usage or why it wouldn't just blow up when the same amount of pull required on the screens would be necessary to pull the explosives onto it as well. And if Evelyn just stocked the explosives on top of the screens, the magnets would just blow up. And seeing as getting rid of just two screens wouldn't be enough to do her in, she would be able to spam lights and kamikaze choppers all she wanted on Walter. Or we could just The End MGS3 this and have Evelyn simply wait out her victory until Walter dies of cancer, which given her range advantage in the plane, wouldn't be implausible.

I’ll accept and agree to two magnets as well. Both being i different places of Central Park should do the job on her goggles and screens. And she’d at some point have to get in range to fight in combat with Walt where he would win via his gun or by other means.

She still has her motorcycles that can catch up with Maglev trains. She can just use that to run him over as well. But honestly, I refuse to believe the magnets are as overpowered as you keep saying they are. She'd know where they are based on the pull her devices would be getting them, you haven't answered my reasoning for Walt's own equipment being dragged away as well nor her own explosives, and in the first place, there's no guarantee that he wouldn't immediately get flashbanged by the screens faster than he can activate the magnets. If he sees the lights once, he is entranced. The magnet will have to have at least a few seconds to kick in and drag all of those screens towards it. Evelyn only needs a second to turn on the lights with a button push that her thumb would already be on by the time the fight has started. It doesn't matter if the magnets are pulled. It needs time. Turning on a screen requires no time at all.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Not to mention, Walter needs time to make the connection that the best way to remove the screens from the equation is to use the magnets, which he probably wouldn't go for as what he leads with, since that would probably be his guns or his explosives. He would need time to process the situation, make the connection, and then take action. This is not instantaneous. Meanwhile, Evelyn's very first opening is with mind manip. It's her villain name. It's her opening play and she would be able to activate it way quicker than the magnets would.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

She would, but not before expending every single resource she has available, which is not going to be easy.

Didn’t she heavily depend on mind control despite there being screens in the boat she could’ve utilized? Like I said, she’d either dip or face him head on.

He can't just remote control all of them or be in different places at once. If she blows one up with him inside, he's a dead man. And she wouldn't just rely on a plan that has backfired as you've said, which is why when all expendable options are finished, she would retreat to restock. That or hijack the screens of some more cars or people.

True but if she’s allowed to place screens around the park, I don’t see why he couldn’t park multiple vehicles and rig them with pipe bombs. If she saw some random vehicle in the middle of the park, she’d probably investigate and get blown up. Also he doesn’t have to be in a vehicle, he’d probably be hiding somewhere in Central Park or in another vehicle apart from what he’s rigged and wait for her to take the bait on his traps or for her to come out, similarly to his original plan with killing Gus via his rigging his car. While simultaneously dealing with the screens.

Neither does Walt, yet you insist on him bringing more than one magnet. And you've yet to give me an exact range of the magnet's usage or why it wouldn't just blow up when the same amount of pull required on the screens would be necessary to pull the explosives onto it as well. And if Evelyn just stocked the explosives on top of the screens, the magnets would just blow up. And seeing as getting rid of just two screens wouldn't be enough to do her in, she would be able to spam lights and kamikaze choppers all she wanted on Walter. Or we could just The End MGS3 this and have Evelyn simply wait out her victory until Walter dies of cancer, which given her range advantage in the plane, wouldn't be implausible.

Because of the success of the magnet, the fact that he has prep, and because similarly to Evelyn he could utilize New York in the fact that it’s mostly metal materials to his advantage. The range is likely several meters considering it pulled stuff from inside a fairly large building separate from their target area as well as stuff outside. Fair on the bomb thing although two full powered magnets would be able to at least pull a few dozen of her screens over to the magnets, any mind goggles in range, and of course the bombs. She’d still have to take care of any other vehicles Walt has rigged as well with either a pipe bomb, machine gun, Mercury, etc. I don’t think choppers are home free in terms of attacking Walt. Evelyn waiting a few days, months, perhaps even a year for Walter to succumb to cancer that we can’t accurately pinpoint the timeframe of when it will truly end him? Yea sounds totally plausible. If anything that would give Walt more time to strategize.

She still has her motorcycles that can catch up with Maglev trains. She can just use that to run him over as well. But honestly, I refuse to believe the magnets are as overpowered as you keep saying they are. She'd know where they are based on the pull her devices would be getting them, you haven't answered my reasoning for Walt's own equipment being dragged away as well nor her own explosives, and in the first place, there's no guarantee that he wouldn't immediately get flashbanged by the screens faster than he can activate the magnets. If he sees the lights once, he is entranced. The magnet will have to have at least a few seconds to kick in and drag all of those screens towards it. Evelyn only needs a second to turn on the lights with a button push that her thumb would already be on by the time the fight has started. It doesn't matter if the magnets are pulled. It needs time. Turning on a screen requires no time at all.

Walt headshots her before she can even run over him. I never said the magnets were overpowered, just perfect for this particular situation. If all my metal stuff in my house started to randomly move, I probably wouldn’t even know what to think upon first glance and it would take me a second to pin point the exact location of the magnet. Walt could space his shit out over the park to where it doesn’t get pulled in. You’d think someone as smart as Walt would take into consideration that his equipment could be at risk of getting ****** by an off brand magneto type force. Tbh, he’d probably want to lead with it considering new work is full of metal type stuff and the fact that there’s randomly screens in Central Park. There’s no guarantee at that point that Walt doesn’t magneto the screens before she turns them on, yes it requires time but maybe a few seconds at most. The only reason it took a while in the initial scene is because he wanted to not cause that big of a scene among the heavy cop guarded area, not give it to much power, and to break one specific item. Here he wouldn’t have that issue so he’d probably crank both magnets on high and have it go to work. Could the light end up catching Walt’s eye? Yes, but between trying to mind goggle people, putting people in a trance, and getting her vehicles ready, I’d presume she’d go for mind control considering she needs people to fly her vehicles and try to find Walt, which would take time if she doesn’t already have people on hand. And once her screens start getting pulled in, she’d probably start freaking out similarly to the boat scene and completely focus on stopping the magnet before turning on the screens.

Not to mention, Walter needs time to make the connection that the best way to remove the screens from the equation is to use the magnets, which he probably wouldn't go for as what he leads with, since that would probably be his guns or his explosives. He would need time to process the situation, make the connection, and then take action. This is not instantaneous. Meanwhile, Evelyn's very first opening is with mind manip. It's her villain name. It's her opening play and she would be able to activate it way quicker than the magnets would.

Like I said earlier, if you had a gigantic magnet and saw a huge park full of screens and were in one of the most screen filled cities in the world, I’d think you’d have a “Ferb I know what we’re going to do today” moment during prep.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I wish I was someone smarter so I could think of the obvious Professor Layton wincon.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

OH THAT'S RIGHT, SHE CAN JUST BOMB HIM FROM THE HELICOPTERS.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

OH THAT'S RIGHT, SHE CAN JUST BOMB HIM FROM THE HELICOPTERS.

She wouldn’t lead with it, it has a chance of getting magnetized, and she probably wouldn’t know where Walt’s exact location to bomb him would be considering his stealth mastery.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

I wish I was someone smarter so I could think of the obvious Professor Layton wincon.

I’ve been there so many times man.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

She wouldn’t lead with it, it has a chance of getting magnetized, and she probably wouldn’t know where Walt’s exact location to bomb him would be considering his stealth mastery.

That's the thing. It WOULD get pulled in by the magnet. And it WOULD explode.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

That's the thing. It WOULD get pulled in by the magnet. And it WOULD explode.

Your point being? Walt doesn’t need to be near the magnet at all, it’s remotely operated lol

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Your point being? Walt doesn’t need to be near the magnet at all, it’s remotely operated lol

Don't you see? That would be the idea. The explosives would be pulled in by the magnet and then the explosives would explode. Near the magnets. Destroying the magnets.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Don't you see? That would be the idea. The explosives would be pulled in by the magnet and then the explosives would explode. Near the magnets. Destroying the magnets.

Ah okay I see what you’re saying, I thought you were saying she’d attempt to spot bomb him from a helicopter lol.

By the time she would have even thought of that, a shit ton of the screens and mind goggles would be destroyed. Should would attempt to have her henchmen deal with it first but would then have it fail then would try to kamikaze only for her to waste materials, and then she’d attempt to bomb it from the airplane. That takes up a shit ton of time, and by the time she resort bombin, it’s virtually useless considering most of her resources are destroyed by off brand magneto

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Ah okay I see what you’re saying, I thought you were saying she’d attempt to spot bomb him from a helicopter lol.

By the time she would have even thought of that, a shit ton of the screens and mind goggles would be destroyed. Should would attempt to have her henchmen deal with it first but would then have it fail then would try to kamikaze only for her to waste materials, and then she’d attempt to bomb it from the airplane. That takes up a shit ton of time, and by the time she resort bombin, it’s virtually useless considering most of her resources are destroyed by off brand magneto

Who's to say she wouldn't think of bombing him from the choppers first? Evelyn (thank god) doesn't think like me, so she wouldn't kamikaze them first. I agree that that the henchmen and screens would fall first, but she would then have the much better option of bombing him from above with the choppers. And even then, she would still be stocked up on bombs to the point where she could set Central Park aflame, even with the available explosives she has.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Who's to say she wouldn't think of bombing him from the choppers first? Evelyn (thank god) doesn't think like me, so she wouldn't kamikaze them first. I agree that that the henchmen and screens would fall first, but she would then have the much better option of bombing him from above with the choppers. And even then, she would still be stocked up on bombs to the point where she could set Central Park aflame, even with the available explosives she has.

I’d argue for kamikaze first cause keep in mind she’s a manipulative person who likes to have other people do the work for her. She’d probably have a “oh shit” moment when the magnets start pulling everything in and panic like she did with Jack Jack and command her other henchmen flying the choppers to do something. Kamikazing in the process. Walt could honestly do the same thing with his pipe bombs, fire manip, etc. Also her bomb was a timer, if anything there might be timer bombs that get pulled in and don’t detonate for another 5 minutes or some shit. She’d then fly down due to having no other option and attempt to face off Walt only for to get a swift bullet to the head.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I’d argue for kamikaze first cause keep in mind she’s a manipulative person who likes to have other people do the work for her. She’d probably have a “oh shit” moment when the magnets start pulling everything in and panic like she did with Jack Jack and command her other henchmen flying the choppers to do something. Kamikazing in the process. Walt could honestly do the same thing with his pipe bombs, fire manip, etc. Also her bomb was a timer, if anything there might be timer bombs that get pulled in and don’t detonate for another 5 minutes or some shit. She’d then fly down due to having no other option and attempt to face off Walt only for to get a swift bullet to the head.

Yeah, but she would have people unload the bombs for her by your own logic. It's not improbable that she would do that since she was the one who had the pizza guy plant the bomb in the first place and she could easily have the timer bombs detonate for an earlier time like 10 or 20 seconds. And even then, she could bomb him herself from the plane, which was your suggestion.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Yeah, but she would have people unload the bombs for her by your own logic. It's not improbable that she would do that since she was the one who had the pizza guy plant the bomb in the first place and she could easily have the timer bombs detonate for an earlier time like 10 or 20 seconds. And even then, she could bomb him herself from the plane, which was your suggestion.

No, I meant she’d have them flying the choppers, to which the she’d have them crash into the magnets out of panic. Even if she did attempt to bomb it, it’s a timer bomb, it takes a few minutes to detonate. Even after that, he’d still have destroyed her screens, goggles, choppers (if they decided to be suicide bombers which imo they probably would), and technically the bombs. She might have a few other bombs on hand, but I doubt she’d have as much bombs to bomb an inflame Central Park as screens considering she’s the Screenslaver. And her screens would be destroyed.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

No, I meant she’d have them flying the choppers, to which the she’d have them crash into the magnets out of panic. Even if she did attempt to bomb it, it’s a timer bomb, it takes a few minutes to detonate. Even after that, he’d still have destroyed her screens, goggles, choppers (if they decided to be suicide bombers which imo they probably would), and technically the bombs. She might have a few other bombs on hand, but I doubt she’d have as much bombs to bomb an inflame Central Park as screens considering she’s the Screenslaver. And her screens would be destroyed.

But a timer on a timer bomb can be set. And I doubt that you would have considered the kamikaze bombers had I not suggested the strategy. Her first usage of a bombing involved the person setting it up to be left alive, so I wouldn't think she would give them up that easy. Even then, Evelyn can still bomb him from way up high with the plane while Walter wouldn't have the range to hit her from way up high. She would have that many bombs because of her wealth and considering she had a week to prepare, she would absolutely go all out on the bombs now that she's free from the setbacks of her low profile. Walter may command the ground, but she has the air advantage.

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

But a timer on a timer bomb can be set. And I doubt that you would have considered the kamikaze bombers had I not suggested the strategy. Her first usage of a bombing involved the person setting it up to be left alive, so I wouldn't think she would give them up that easy. Even then, Evelyn can still bomb him from way up high with the plane while Walter wouldn't have the range to hit her from way up high. She would have that many bombs because of her wealth and considering she had a week to prepare, she would absolutely go all out on the bombs now that she's free from the setbacks of her low profile. Walter may command the ground, but she has the air advantage.

Fair, if you’d given me some time I’d probably thought of it eventually tho lol. I still think she’d depend more so on screens, and I highly doubt she’d keep a time bomb on her plane when it could be utilized on the ground/without prior knowledge I doubt she’d think to keep her time bombs in the air to utilize it for this specific moment.