Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Mythic381]

So you concede they are a part of one large universe. Thanks!

2 universe-sized structures existing within a larger universe, point?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

How about we address the disqualifier first?

If I'm being honest, you will never convince me that "Is visually treated as a planet but it's actually a universe in everything else" makes any sense, so put me solidly in the High 6-A+ side

 

[ShionAH]

Hear me out what about possibly rating

 

[Stellar_Fish]

2 universe-sized structures existing within a larger universe, point?

Ok correct me if I misunderstand: What you're saying is that they are two separate observable universes that look like planets but exist inside of a larger universe?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

But Alastor did it because Rosie refused to fix his staff and recover his injuries for some unknown reason

Meaning that everything is Rosie’s fault

Alastor almost making a chain reaction of changing the natural order of life and death in all of creation because you said no to a favor that he asked

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Hear me out what about possibly rating

From the creators of "At least 11-C, possibly High 1-A" comes: "High 6-A+, possibly 3-A" and "Likely at most High 6-A+, possibly at most 3-A" yeah no we're not doing that

 

[Mythic381]

Ok correct me if I misunderstand: What you're saying is that they are two separate observable universes that look like planets but exist inside of a larger universe?

Sorry that I ain't a physicist who works for Spindlehorse, next time I'll make sure to tell Vivzie to make a 5-dimensional space between the universes.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Ok correct me if I misunderstand: What you're saying is that they are two separate observable universes that look like planets but exist inside of a larger universe?

This is what I'm understanding based on what people says and it sounds completely psychotic

 

[ShionAH]

I am gonna shoot HUG all of you if we completely ignore a direct statement it being a universe

 

[Alexander]

Sounds like a concession…

so immeasurable speed for Sendokai champions ships?

 

[Mythic381]

This is what I'm understanding based on what people says and it sounds completely psychotic

Again, Vivzie did not hire a physicist to work on the show, and the standards are unclear on what the size of two universes that would actually be just 2 structures existing in a large universe be.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I am gonna shoot all of you if we completely ignore a direct statement it being a universe

Statements are bs if they lead to this:

they are two separate observable universes that look like planets but exist inside of a larger universe

Again, Vivzie did not hire a physicist to work on the show, and the standards are unclear on what the size of two universes that would actually be just 2 structures existing in a large universe be.

So you're admitting that it doesn't make any sense, and they functionally don't work as universes?

 

[ShionAH]

what? I am only saying they are as big as a universe, they just ACT and LOOK like planets. So they are physical things you can just fly into for sure but they are still entire universes in size.

 

[Mythic381]

So you're admitting that it doesn't make any sense, and they functionally don't work as universes?

No one said they don't work as universes lol, the whole argument is that they're two universes that look and act like planets in the sense that they can be physically traversed, no one asked for actual physics here, but if the standards accept they are in a large universe, then that should relate to their size being around the actual size of an observable universe, as out of context, them putting "large" wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Phoenks]

what? I am only saying they are as big as a universe, they just ACT and LOOK like planets. So they are physical things you can just fly into for sure but they are still entire universes in size.

Prove they are the size of a universe

 

[ShionAH]

Prove they are the size of a universe

Vivzie told me they are

Edit: Plus they are compared to our universe since its called a “realm”

 

[Stellar_Fish]

what? I am only saying they are as big as a universe, they just ACT and LOOK like planets. So they are physical things you can just fly into for sure but they are still entire universes in size.

Ok, so you think they are universe-sized planets? That's not really what you've been saying when you call them universes, which is a totally different thing.
I'm willing to accept that if Vivziepop says that they are planets the size of universes but the things she said don't sound like that at all and are a lot more vague.

they're two universes that look and act like planets in the sense that they can be physically traversed

This is nonsense, not really a matter of physics, just a matter of logic, you're basically simultaneously saying that they are and they are not universes.

 

[Alexander]

Alastor almost making a chain reaction of changing the natural order of life and death in all of creation because you said no to a favor that he asked

HEY, YO ENTIENDO EL MEME

 

[Mythic381]

Prove they are the size of a universe

Why would the standards dictate a universe is universe-sized by just being called a universe if it doesn't?

 

[Mythic381]

This is nonsense, not really a matter of physics, just a matter of logic, you're basically simultaneously saying that they are and they are not universes.

Point me to where I said they aren't universes? Acting and looking like something doesn't mean I'm that thing.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Point me to where I said they aren't universes? Acting and looking like something doesn't mean I'm that thing.

If they functionally don't work as universes and they don't look as universes they are not universes. How do you even define universe at that point?

 

[Mythic381]

If they functionally don't work as universes and they don't look as universes they are not universes. How do you even define universe at that point?

I think you failed to understand what I meant when I said "work like planets" the only part that they work like planets is just in reference to them being within the same space so you can physically travel between them.

 

[Alexander]

Prove they are the size of a universe

man, THE CREATOR SAYS THEY ARE UNIVERSES, why would she even say those words if she didn't understand their meaning (now we are arguing she does not known basic terminology?)

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I think you failed to understand what I meant when I said "work like planets" the only part that they work like planets is just in reference to them being within the same space so you can physically travel between them.

Yeah that's the definition of a universe.
You can't see a universe in the sky, you can't travel to it physically. If it was a universe-sized planet it would be a totally different object with totally different properties.
What do you define universe as at this point? It becomes a buzzword, an empty signifier.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

man, THE CREATOR SAYS THEY ARE UNIVERSES, why would she even say those words if she didn't understand their meaning (now we are arguing she does not known basic terminology?)

I mean not necessarily, she could just mean a lot of things, but if she genuinely meant that they are universes in the sense that we're talking about, yeah, she doesn't understand what a universe is.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah that's the definition of a universe.
You can't see a universe in the sky, you can't travel to it physically. If it was a universe-sized planet it would be a totally different object with totally different properties.
What do you define universe as at this point? It becomes a buzzword, an empty signifier.

ah, there is no other universe in our reality, only one, also we can see galaxies in the "sky" if we had enough vision and not ******* pollution

 

[Alexander]

I mean not necessarily, she could just mean a lot of things, but if she genuinely meant that they are universes in the sense that we're talking about, yeah, she doesn't understand what a universe is.

"a lot of things"and they are like...2?3 at max, that is alot to you??????????????????????????
also i think anyone who has seen Helluva Boss could minimally know that she, clearly, has a BASIC understanding on how a ******* universe is.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

ah, there is no other universe in our reality, only one, also we can see galaxies in the "sky" if we had enough vision and not ******* pollution

Galaxies are totally different things from universes. And don't be silly, y'know there's an established meaning for what a universe, and an alternative universe is.

"a lot of things"and they are like...2?3 at max, that is alot to you??????????????????????????

Saying that two things are totally different universes can have a lot of meanings depending on the context and in the sense once says it. One thing is true tho: Two things can't be true in the same sense at the same time. So if she says they are different universes she probably meant it in a different sense. That's giving her the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming she doesn't understand her own work and she's a moron which is kinda what you're doing, cause anyone would be able to tell the difference between a universe and a planet.

 

[Alexander]

Galaxies are totally different things from universes. And don't be silly, y'know there's an established meaning for what a universe, and an alternative universe is.

i said it has a example, and yes, i know what are the meaning for alternate universes and whatever.

Saying that two things are totally different universes can have a lot of meanings depending on the context and in the sense once says it. One thing is true tho: Two things can't be true in the same sense at the same time. So if she says they are different universes she probably meant it in a different sense. That's giving her the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming she doesn't understand her own work and she's a moron which is kinda what you're doing, cause anyone would be able to tell the difference between a universe and a planet.

and she says universe twice, more than saying planet (and only says planet, in reference to something else, not has them being actual planets).
so clearly...what

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Okay this is my conclusion from what I'm seeing: You guys use universe as a buzzword without actually caring about what a universe is or even about basic logic, and go off on a statement which either means something completely different or is just wrong. Because what Vivzie meant is that we have to pretend that the planets she drew, which work as planets, are universes, and says the word universe and realm many times?

 

[ShionAH]

Vivzie: Hey so they may look like planets and be physical like them but they are actually universes! They are realms that exist in the same space for story telling

You: Uhh what? So they are planets?

Hmmm

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Vivzie: Hey so they may look like planets and be physical like them but they are actually universes! They are realms that exist in the same space for story telling

You: Uhh what? So they are planets?

Hmmm

Vivzie: Hey so they may not be universes but they are actually universes! Did you see how I call them realms?

Me: So they are not universes

You: Bro she's not a physicist bro you don't get it bro it's the power of imagination bro

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Vivzie: Hey so they may look like planets and be physical like them but they are actually universes! They are realms that exist in the same space for story telling

You: Uhh what? So they are planets?

Hmmm

Series: they see each other as planets, they can literally shoot lasers physically from one place to another

You: hmmm oh yes these are very separate universes and 93 billion light-years wide! I'll continue to use secondary source to disprove the primary one!

 

[Mythic381]

Okay this is my conclusion from what I'm seeing: You guys use universe as a buzzword without actually caring about what a universe is or even about basic logic, and go off on a statement which either means something completely different or is just wrong. Because what Vivzie meant is that we have to pretend that the planets she drew, which work as planets, are universes, and says the word universe and realm many times?

Holding us accountable for something we didn't write and are just arguing because it's stated by the author, with the only issue of the possibility of them just being planets literally being addressed by her that they are only representations of it.

Currently only problem is that we are using them as "buzzwords" and they aren't possibly universe-sized despite being called ones, and despite the damn fact that the wiki already has a to counter that, in which they'd only be considered structures within a larger universe.

Do what you will with that knowledge, but matter of the fact is that they're considered universes, wiki doesn't accept them as two separate spacetimes but can accept them as existing within the same space, which isn't even a problem with Hellaverse only, as if it was you clearly wouldn't have seen the wiki make an answer for it.

 

[Mythic381]

Series: they see each other as planets, they can literally shoot lasers physically from one place to another

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact it acknowledges the own problem and elaborates of them being cosmic representations and just acting like ones, but what the heck, who cares.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Holding us accountable for something we didn't write and are just arguing because it's stated by the author, with the only issue of the possibility of them just being planets literally being addressed by her that they are only representations of it.

It is so much of a representation that Vox quite literally shot from one place to another?

Currently only problem is that we are using them as "buzzwords" and they aren't possibly universe-sized despite being called ones, and despite the damn fact that the wiki already has a to counter that, in which they'd only be considered structures within a larger universe.

This means they are no longer their own universes, since universes are by definition "all of space and time and their contents". You can't have TWO "all of space and time"'s in one bigger "all of space and time".

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact it acknowledges the own problem and elaborates of them being cosmic representations and just acting like ones, but what the heck, who cares.

If Vivz elaborates on something which makes it a physically impossible interpretation, then I'm not buying that impossible interpretation.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Holding us accountable for something we didn't write and are just arguing because it's stated by the author, with the only issue of the possibility of them just being planets literally being addressed by her that they are only representations of it.

Currently only problem is that we are using them as "buzzwords" and they aren't possibly universe-sized despite being called ones, and despite the damn fact that the wiki already has a to counter that, in which they'd only be considered structures within a larger universe.

Do what you will with that knowledge, but matter of the fact is that they're considered universes, wiki doesn't accept them as two separate spacetimes but can accept them as existing within the same space, which isn't even a problem with Hellaverse only, as if it was you clearly wouldn't have seen the wiki make an answer for it.

As I said, arguing that they are universe-sized planets it's a totally different argument because they are totally different things from what a universe is and what the word universe actually means. Saying that the sky is purple and collectively acting like it is won't change its color.

 

[Alexander]

Series: they see each other as planets, they can literally shoot lasers physically from one place to another

You: hmmm oh yes these are very separate universes and 93 billion light-years wide! I'll continue to use secondary source to disprove the primary one!

and you can clearly ******* see the planet of Anti-spiral in the head of Granzeboma...THE GALAXY SIZED MECH

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

and you can clearly ******* see the planet of Anti-spiral in the head of Granzeboma...THE GALAXY SIZED MECH

Don't care about that Bill victim smh