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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Udlmaster said:
The last episodes were fun, if insanely fast paced.


I'm super surprised that all of Hell roughly compared to Alastor who STILL beat Vox in that scenario?

Likewise, that makes Rosie around TWICE as strong as all of Hell given she basically lost that power after the deal broke and was still able to use Magic and help out with the bubble

Ultra-Mega bad news for Hell though. We saw how powerful Adam was and he beat Alastor, meaning he by himself is stronger than all of Hell's sinners.

Then apparently Lucifer is just unfathomably stronger than that, with Sera likely being around the same strength.
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...AHM, NO, LUCIFER IS STRONGER THAN SERA
 
Also, take my comments on actual stats with a grain of salt. I actively have no clue what's happening in that regard and just making assumptions So as far as I know the overlords only get a possible 8-A rating and will simply be 8-B by default physically
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Also, take my comments on actual stats with a grain of salt. I actively have no clue what's happening in that regard and just making assumptions So as far as I know the overlords only get a possible 8-A rating and will simply be 8-B by default physically
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considering what penny scales too, and all the new feats that we have for a depowered/broken staff Alistair, multi-city block level actually does probably make more sense still, especially since overlords are still definitely physically more powerful than the average sinner who already scales to city block level
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
Lucifer overpowered a barrier on his own that took seven presumably very powerful angels one of which was Sera herself to make in the first place, Lucifer is very clearly the strongest in the verse, or at least one of the strongest until later seasons clarify that
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Yeah, imagine that Sera needed the power of other 6 angels to create a barrier all around Heaven...AND YET ************* LUCIFER DESTROYED THE BARRIER (not to mention, HOW THE **** DID EVEN GOT TO HELL WITHOUT A FIGHT?)
 
So here's what we need:

Calculate the destruction caused by the weapon which would only scale to Lucifer.

Calculate anything regarding Alastor and Vox's fight.

Now we have further proof that angelic steel does indeed in any form nullify magic, as Lucifer couldn't escape Vox's absorbing thingy.

Possible calculation for the creation of that force-field? Which Lucifer should scale for fully destroying against a couple Elder Angels, and also I see the Elders scaling to it because they seem to have created it via light.
 
Ms.Luzifer said:
how much aura did he lose compared to how much he gained
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Trying to say Lucifer has aura or didn’t lose that much is like if I kept taking out thousands from my bank account every month but justified it by saying “oh a few years back I made like 5 bucks so we’re good”. He has lost so much more than he’s ever gained
 
Alexander said:
Yeah, imagine that Sera needed the power of other 6 angels to create a barrier all around Heaven...AND YET ************* LUCIFER DESTROYED THE BARRIER (not to mention, HOW THE **** DID EVEN GOT TO HELL WITHOUT A FIGHT?)
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Dawg, spoilers

Anyways, that just proves Lucifer is the strongest currently.
 
Mythic381 said:
Dawg, spoilers

Anyways, that just proves Lucifer is the strongest currently.
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below the speaker of God and God himself, off course, but because one has no feats and the other is not even present, he is the defacto strongest
 
Anyways, for why Lucifer didn't fight back against Heaven when they banished it? I feel like he just felt so guilty he decided not to fight back.
 
Side note on something the new episodes reveal that got quickly swepped under the rug

Vox and Velvette get interdimensional range now, since VoxTek media is connected to both Heaven and Earth. THE VEES GET THE BEST RANGE IN THE VERSE, LET'S GO BABY! OUR ONLY COMPETITION IS TELEPORTATION AND GOD-DAMN HUMAN ALASTOR
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:

Trying to say Lucifer has aura or didn’t lose that much is like if I kept taking out thousands from my bank account every month but justified it by saying “oh a few years back I made like 5 bucks so we’re good”. He has lost so much more than he’s ever gained
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He neither loses nor gains, he simply peaked in high-school
 
Mythic381 said:
Possible calculation for the creation of that force-field? Which Lucifer should scale for fully destroying against a couple Elder Angels, and also I see the Elders scaling to it because they seem to have created it via light.
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Heaven is stated to be a universe by Vivzie, force field covers entirety of said universe, Lucifer's full power blows through said shield. No calc needed
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Heaven is stated to be a universe by Vivzie, force field covers entirety of said universe, Lucifer's full power blows through said shield. No calc needed
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Where is that mentioned? Considering it's so small and looks only like a planet.
Detective_Blizzard said:
Calc would still be needed, since it doesn't blow up the universe itself and I don't think we have a common feat reference for this
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It didn't, but you can assume the force-field is strong enough to protect all of it, and the weapon destroyed it.
 
Mythic381 said:
Where is that mentioned? Considering it's so small and looks only like a planet.
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There was an interview article posted a bit ago where Vivzie just outright says that heaven and hell are two universes
Mythic381 said:
It didn't, but you can assume the force-field is strong enough to protect all of it, and the weapon destroyed it.
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That's just getting into the semantics of it, as I said I have no stakes on the stats. I'm just saying a calc is likely since the weapon only peirced through heaven and not blown it up (plus arguing on how much a giant shield should be able to negate is a nebulous argument cause it can range bloody anywhere depending on theoretical damage)
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
No, since he doesnt destroy both of em. Since neither is infinite hes likely getting my mentioned Multi-Solar since he's only greatly effecting heaven instead of obliterating it
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Althought, it is implied that the blast would have destroyed all of Hell and Heaven
 
Alexander said:
Althought, it is implied that the blast would have destroyed all of Hell and Heaven
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From what I saw the only statements made about the weapon blowing up was that its "take half of pentagram city with it". But hey episode just came out and we can filter out all the details with time

Also put a spoiler on my quote
 
Though chat, I'm confused about something, why did Charlie saying Vox is the strongest sinner made him be considered the strongest sinner? How does the logic work here?
 
Mythic381 said:
Though chat, I'm confused about something, why did Charlie saying Vox is the strongest sinner made him be considered the strongest sinner? How does the logic work here?
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perception matters more, he was the most powerful single sinner at the time, in a different way than Al having raw power, in other words, Al tricked the contract he had with Rosie just like he did with Vox, a technicality. Why is Al getting more aura than the king of hell
 
DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt said:
he did blast the gates and all, I think the shot just conveniently missed and went through mostly the airspace, that's what the scene implies anyway
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It's shown to have blasted directly forward from the gates, so it likely hit SOME stuff

Mythic381 said:
Though chat, I'm confused about something, why did Charlie saying Vox is the strongest sinner made him be considered the strongest sinner? How does the logic work here?
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2 options, by vote of popular opinion Alastor's contract was broken as Vox was seen as the strongest sinner by 100% of hell's population (and then proved to be comparable to a very serious Alastor after the fact). Or option 2 bro has a passive accelerated development tied to his ratings, so when Hell believed he was the strongest he became the strongest (also explains why he started getting his ass kicked when people stopped believing in him)
 
Also, looking back on it, we do have a common feat reference

Vox's weapon caused all of Heaven to shake, that's just multi-solar off rip
 
Its stated in the song that EVERYONE would die if they don’t stop it soI am not sure if Carmilla is a dumbass who underestimated her own creation or if the show is being dramatic

I am SO sad Adam didn’t come back or do anything like Alex implied I also HATE how Lute had a whole episode saying she will be one of the main problems only to do nothing

Adam and Sera both scale to Lucifer

Seraphims are immune to angelic weapons which is INSANE
 
ShionAH said:
Its stated in the song that EVERYONE would die if they don’t stop it soI am not sure if Carmilla is a dumbass who underestimated her own creation or if the show is being dramatic

I am SO sad Adam didn’t come back or do anything like Alex implied I also HATE how Lute had a whole episode saying she will be one of the main problems only to do nothing

Adam and Sera both scale to Lucifer

Seraphims are immune to angelic weapons which is INSANE
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Actually no, Lucifer will upscale Sera
 
ShionAH said:
Its stated in the song that EVERYONE would die if they don’t stop it soI am not sure if Carmilla is a dumbass who underestimated her own creation or if the show is being dramatic
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That could just be in reference to how Vox is a bloody psychopath and would cause the death of everyone with his rampage. Which given with what we see..... yeah that has some backing to it

ShionAH said:
I am SO sad Adam didn’t come back or do anything like Alex implied I also HATE how Lute had a whole episode saying she will be one of the main problems only to do nothing
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MAN am I happy I got to do the Vees and not Lute. Would've been a waste of effort on my part to try and revise this verse's Akainu
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Also, looking back on it, we do have a common feat reference

Vox's weapon caused all of Heaven to shake, that's just multi-solar off rip
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Only real argument is that it could be considered an outlier, which I'd say no because we haven't seen Lucifer using his full power except against someone he was massively stronger than.
 
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