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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Chritin
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He's such a pathetic *****. I hate him.He is actually such a pathetic *****. I love him
Now THIS pathetic *****. I love him.
Ruby_R_Dracula
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Seperate it between seasons
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yeah that sounds good
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She doesn’t scale to Val physically, only with knife. But, she casually severely harmed Pentious. Also her travel speed & equipment is crazy.
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oh yeah, did anyone calced her travel speed?
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Alright after finally finishing all episodes, here are my thoughts:
- 1st episode: 7/10. Solid start, good Vox villain build-up, nice backstory for him, good portrayal of Charlie's struggles and the conflict around Hotel is pretty clear. Songs are nice though there are better ones. Pretty much everything about this episode is nice, but nothing really outstanding. Just a good beginning.
- 2st episode: 6-7/10 (semi-joke, but really I rate it around there). It's basically a complimetary for first episode. Pentious characterization and struggles was nice, Emily was likeable, Sera and Lute were good too, but the episode feels kinda too long and without any real progress.
- 3rd episode: 3/10. If I could have excluded Cherri Bomb stuff from rest, then it would have been freaking 0/10. Charlie is so, SO stupid and annoying. She suddenly has negative IQ. I don't think I need to elaborate if you watched the episode; initially thought it was because she was on emotions from amazing news but then it went like this for an ENTIRE EPISODE. Cherri Bomb's feelings for Pentious could have been built up more but it's still nice as it is. Also Pentious' background is pretty good stuff. Songs are nice. Still, main plot was trash and I'm just erasing it from my memory.
- 4th episode: 8.5-9/10. Alastor and Vox's backstories are amazing, Alastor's mysterious plan to free himself is intriguing, songs are just great, Niffty was good here too (her first solo!), and the fight was great (choreography, fighting styles, Alastor's ragebaiting, Niffty & Val's 2nd interaction, etc. - you name it). I knew most of this but it was still really great. This episode still continued with Charlie's negative IQ arc, but just less timeframe and a bit softer. Another problem is we're still kinda stuck where we were at the beginning with no big changes, and it's been already half a season. Like c'mon, give us some plot progression.
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I think people overhate Charlie a little, has if she wasn't annoying in the pilot...MAN SHE WAS, but i still love her even if she is annoying, because i know she is not annoying because of being annoying
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I hate her in the third episode because she acts so damn stupid. In Pilot-Season 1, she is more like naive and delusional, but here she is outright dumb.
First of all, interview with freaking Vees themselves to tell everyone about Pentious being redeemed with ZERO proof, then SPEEDRUNNING redemption and in that process thinking that mimicking Pentious will do it and even accidentally putting her friends in danger. All while other characters quite literally point out to her that these are terrible ideas, yet she goes for it with puppy eyes.
Instead of making Vox a master propaganda genius, they just did Charlie dumber than a rock, which is not believable at all.
Chritin
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I think the issue is we've had a season for Charlie to learn that sometimes, people like Vox are simply assholes, and she seems almost willfully ignorant to that. It isn't like Emily who hasn't really had experience with people taking advantage of her or simply being rude. Like, we are repeating the same issues she had last season. It's even worse when you look at things like how she was treating Angel. Last season Angel's issues with her simply came from her trying to help but only making things worse. Here, she actively starts digging into Angels problems in an uncalled for situation.
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Oh and also it's funny how in first season, they went with Alastor to spread info, but here Charlie for some reason desperately wants VoxTek. Not only stupid but also inconsistent. C'mon.
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I will counter this and say this:
-it has been the first time in all of her live, where she was CORRECT and her dream was true, she has been told by everyone (not girlfriend), that redemption is not possible and is impossible, and she even stated that she hoped that Redemption was possible because if it wasn't, then her whole live has been a joke, since it meant that one of her friends died FOR NOTHING and everyone was right at laughing at her.
-Charlie barely had anything to work with, since Emily didn't tell her much about how Sir Pentious got redeemed, she just told her "hey, yeah, Sir Pentious is redeemed, the hotel works"...which tells her almost nothing except that it is possible, but the process is still unknown to her, is not until the end that she discovers how it could be done.
-the plan was not supposed to be dangerous, it was only dangerous because of Vox interventions (yes, she messed up in that one, but she didn't intentionally try to murder them).
-Even in the same series, they mentioned that they could have dealt with the vees if they ever try to do something bad or drastic (they are not even dangerous, ALASTOR IS SUPERIOR TO THEM, they even comment on that), but off course, they didn't factor that Alastor won't intervine because...well...he is Alastor.
so it was basically multiple factores in general, is not has massively bad has people made it out to be, is a flaw.
that was Vox, not Charlie, but okay?Charlie didn't asks what Angel did to be on Hell
Alastor won't help them, the guy literraly says he likes to be difficult
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Then don't talk about it if you don't have proof? Or don't try speedrunning it with 100% certainty that it will work to Vs?
Yea I didn't say she intended to murder them, just that it adds up to her messing up.
Husk just said that in case Vox & Velvette pose threat (like, actual threat e.g. killing), Al would save them.
Yet he did in first episode. Like, she doesn't even try but immediately goes with Vox.
Mythic381
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There's a difference between naive and outright dumbass
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She has proof (well this one sounds like complicated to say that)and she was overjoyed about it (again, she has been told by everyone, that she was wrong).
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again, Alastor could have hardly helped in that situation if he continued to be that hostile...also I REMEMBER SOMETHING, Alastor told Vaggie that he will only let her do the filming once, and thats it...oh shit.
Charlie will be a dumbass if she allowed dangerous people on her hotel, with no protection whatsoever.
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Ngl I'm getting RWBY flashbacks where I end up finding the main character the least interesting character on the show and would prefer episodes where she's not the focus.
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If I ever remember how to make gallery stuff I might just a gallery section for all her outfits on the profile.
Mythic381
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the only reason why i can accept Charlie...is mostly because everyone in the show, is literraly, incapable of not being jerks, they are funny, they have charisma, YES THANKS.
but god dammit, you could count with your fingers characters who are actually nice and mean well in this show and are not jerks, even if a little bit...and Charlie is one of those.
i can accept she has flaws and all, but people made her seem has if she is the somehow the worst character in the show just for...being...the only actually good person in Hell (and yes arguments can be made for others in Helluva Boss, but Charlie is definitely the top tier)
but god dammit, you could count with your fingers characters who are actually nice and mean well in this show and are not jerks, even if a little bit...and Charlie is one of those.
i can accept she has flaws and all, but people made her seem has if she is the somehow the worst character in the show just for...being...the only actually good person in Hell (and yes arguments can be made for others in Helluva Boss, but Charlie is definitely the top tier)
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irony that she did so in the pilot...and people don't complain about that?
Mythic381
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Here's an important thing you're missing, realistically speaking, an Overlord wouldn't just knock on the door of your hotel, introduce himself and just go in, if he had bad intentions he would've realistically started from before entering the hotel, which is the whole point of why he said:
Mythic381
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Yeah, that's definitely a big problem with HH, even from the pilot Alastor was considered way more interesting. (technically she wasn't considered the least interesting back then, as you could argue Vaggie was, but Alastor's popularity was just insane.)
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Rewatched the pilot and lol, Alastor's personality there is completly different. I wish the show still had him more silly
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True, tho Season 2 one is definitely closer to his Pilot self, probably because he has much less screen time to boast his ego and is more mysterious.
Mythic381
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THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT, THE GOAT!
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Ngl I feel like Alastor was planned initially to be actually there for entertainment rather than soul-owned stuff, and his miss for 7 years is a soft retcon given that Vaggie heard about him. Kind of like Lucifer retcon but way softer.
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nah, i feel like is just nostalgia
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The Lucifer retcon could barely count has a retcon even, since he pretty much has no character dialogues or CHARACTER in general, more than endless speculation with 100% of them being "he is a bad father".
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It's pretty evident that in the Pilot, the intention was that Lucifer just completely thought she was a failure overall, and was likely a bad father. In series, they just didn't talk for long because of mutual misunderstanding.
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Oh btw this reminded me, I'm happy that Season 2 made a callback on Pilot with Charlie calling her mom once again in first episode.
Man, Charlie in the beginning was really solid, why did they have to completely ruin it for another forced Charlie-Angel Dust conflict or whatever the reason was :<
Man, Charlie in the beginning was really solid, why did they have to completely ruin it for another forced Charlie-Angel Dust conflict or whatever the reason was :<
Mythic381
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Genuinely isn't, this version of Alastor gets ragebaited easily, while pilot Alastor was getting insulted by Husk constantly and genuinely didn't care about what anyone said, while in the show bro TWITCHED from Carmilla not caring about bro.
Not to mention Alastor is clearly more goofy-sided in the pilot, while the show tries to make him more sinister, which I wouldn't say went well.
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again, no proof of that more than vague lines, and a character...not even present.
man, i have seen Sendokai fathers being worse and they actually show how bad of a parents they are...ON SCREEN AND WITH ACTUAL DIALOGUE
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because Husk is his slave, and even Series Alastor didn't care when he talked back at him, he only cared when he mentioned things HE DISLIKED.
Mythic381
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This version of Lucifer isn't meant to just be all torture and just 100% evil with no redeeming qualities, I mean people in Hell have actual lives despite the fact he hates all sinners.
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i was reffering to the idea that the lucifer in the pilot was a bad father, which again, i don't agree, mostly because he has basically no character for him at all, AND NO DIALOGUES ON HIS OWN.
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Alastor got ragebaited in a matter of seconds by Lucifer TWICE, like wth
"I'm Radio Demon! Be scared!"
Oh and also I wish they kept Alastor as the only character to not curse tbh.
Anonymous_Learner
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"Just Nostalgia"
man, I HATED Hazbin hotel and avoided it for years, only getting into it from powerscaling and my close friend helping me get into it, and I prefer Pilot Alastor (though, I liked S1 Alastor and I actually really enjoy season 2 Alastor)
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