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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Comiphorous said:
I never said they're weaker. i just said it's fairly inconsistent on how much stronger they are considering they're a bunch of featless bums who sort of just exist. Stream statement from before the show came out is very obviously better than what's shown in the show itself!
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I don't know man, unless you want them to absolutely annihilate sinners to showcase their big power difference, I suggest they stay featless, considering they're supposed to be at a level where everyone below them gets absolutely stomped, and higher absolutely stomps them, which they don't have much beef with each other so I don't think we'd see them fight too. (Asmodeus VS Mammon could happen though.)
 
Mythic381 said:
I don't know man, unless you want them to absolutely annihilate sinners to showcase their big power difference, I suggest they stay featless, considering they're supposed to be at a level where everyone below them gets absolutely stomped, and higher absolutely stomps them, which they don't have much beef with each other so I don't think we'd see them fight too. (Asmodeus VS Mammon could happen though.)
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Also like, everyone was absolutely scared of them, Stolas got put down like a dog by Satan and was scared of Asmodeus.
 
Mythic381 said:
I don't know man, unless you want them to absolutely annihilate sinners to showcase their big power difference, I suggest they stay featless, considering they're supposed to be at a level where everyone below them gets absolutely stomped, and higher absolutely stomps them, which they don't have much beef with each other so I don't think we'd see them fight too. (Asmodeus VS Mammon could happen though.)
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regardless the whole idea that they should be downgraded to 9-B based of SINNERS goes against the show's poorly done class system.

And even then, if we use that logic then Stolas would need to upscale the overlords because he's above them in the hierarchy. Imps being 8-C is not that bad if they scale to Stolas.
 
Comiphorous said:
Theres one 9-B feat listed for the entire verse.
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There is another one accepted, and I made three more.
Comiphorous said:
Was that Sinner secretly IMP stacked on top of eachother? don't think that matters and isn't relevant to the IMP. Just to remind you this is the same show that is at this very moment tackling the whole "place in the hierarchy doesn't equate to your power" with the Overlords, specifically with the Vees, and Helluva Boss tackles that same thing with Blitzo wanting to be more than just being walked over by sinners.
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Still shows that place of low tiers is about Tier 9.
Comiphorous said:
Anyways, 8-C+ Imps are fine.
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That's your opinion. I think Tier 9 is just the right place.
Anonymous_Learner said:
Brother how?
Loona, who's imp level, needed a whole transformation to harm Andrealphus and their demon transformations are much stronger than base iirc
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Didn't other IMPs fight Andrealphus as well?
 
Comiphorous said:
regardless the whole idea that they should be downgraded to 9-B based of SINNERS goes against the show's poorly done class system.
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I agree. (As I mentioned the hierarchy has clear outliers.)
Comiphorous said:
And even then, if we use that logic then Stolas would need to upscale the overlords because he's above them in the hierarchy.
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Why was Stolas downgraded anyways?
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Didn't other IMPs fight Andrealphus as well?
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They did fight him, but non of them actually harmed him except transformed Loona and with weapons.
Comiphorous said:
Fine question actually. Not sure. He should probably get a depowered key instead of being downgraded honestly-
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The downgrade says he physically scales equal to before and after he got depowered, which sounds a bit funny to me.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Cuz hierarchy does not imply physical superiority
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so what was the point in comparing them to sinners not even an hour ago????? Your entire downgrade literally just feels your basing it off vibes instead of what's actually been shown in the show.
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Welp, too bad.
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So the weapons scale higher than their physical stats? Every piece of fiction does that?
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Cuz hierarchy does not imply physical superiority, only with power for IMPs, especially since Vivz compared powers when talking about Alastor vs. Stolas.
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I mean, isn't it kinda implied that his power has bearing on his physical stats? The whole Blitzo not knowing he could be harmed, Striker needing to use the rope to nullify his power to make him vulnerable, and the whole song with Octavia. (I swear if someone says "illusion")|
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Welp, too bad.
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Weapons they stole from Andrealphus mind you.
 
The calc has Stolas' height at 3.3 meters huh, Sun's density link doesn't work, it also assumes Stolas takes the same force as friction of Moon does, but realistically, Moon would take the entire force onto itself and Stolas would be unaffected.
Yeah, 8-C calc is definitely dunk.

Mythic381 said:
I mean, isn't it kinda implied that his power has bearing on his physical stats? The whole Blitzo not knowing he could be harmed, Striker needing to use the rope to nullify his power to make him vulnerable, and the whole song with Octavia. (I swear if someone says "illusion")|

Weapons they stole from Andrealphus mind you.
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Mythic381 said:
It isn't the weapons they use on the usual, rewatch the episode my friend.
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Makes sense.
Stolas upscaling from IMPs is probably fine then.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Still shows that place of low tiers is about Tier 9.
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I already noted that the low tiers don't matter to the IMP because the characters are far above the norm. The show literally talks about this. Make the low tiers tier 9 i don't care. It wouldn't affect the characters you're trying to downgrade.
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Can't they take blows from these weapons? Or do they one-shot each other with them?
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You don't need them to shoot eachother in the head to realize it scales above their physicals.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
The calc has Stolas' height at 3.3 meters huh, Sun's density link doesn't work, it also assumes Stolas takes the same force as friction of Moon does, but realistically, Moon would take the entire force onto itself and Stolas would be unaffected.
Yeah, 8-C calc is definitely dunk.
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Get an actual calc member to have their word on it then. Otherwise a calc member said it was okay.
 
Comiphorous said:
I already noted that the low tiers don't matter to the IMP because the characters are far above the norm. The show literally talks about this. Make the low tiers tier 9 i don't care. It wouldn't affect the characters you're trying to downgrade.
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Yeah, I just explained why I was arguing that beforehand.

Also, values to which IMPs scale to are higher than value to which Demon died anyways.
Comiphorous said:
You don't need them to shoot eachother in the head to realize it scales above their physicals.
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Sure.

Comiphorous said:
Get an actual calc member to have their word on it then. Otherwise a calc member said it was okay.
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I'll start a CGT, alright.
 
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Major issues about Stolas' 8-C calc

The calc has Stolas' height at 3.3 meters, but that's based on non-canonical pilot episode. Sun's density link also doesn't work, and I doubt that the source was very reliable. Most importanty, calc assumes that Stolas takes the full friction, but Moon would actually shield most if not all of...
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Mythic381 said:
Praise me peasants
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thanks gang, we know have Stolas upscaling them physically and that's fine by me
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
We've got plenty of calcs, it's just that the verse is so unpopular among CGMs that nobody wants to check them!
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Stuff like this is the whole reason I wanna learn calcing feats and stuff to eventually become a cgm (though i know it wouldn't happen for a long time) 🥀💔
 
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The Control of the First Man (Makima vs Adam)

Let's see how this Goes Rules: -Speed Equalized -Both Combatants are 1000 Meters Away from eachother -Makima has Knowledge of Adam's Status -Battle takes place in a Abandoned City -Sba Makima: @Ms.Luzifer, @Arkansalter2, @GodEarh206, @GunshyFever, @Epiccheev, @Acertainbcplayer, @Pyro9278...
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Organized the Calcs
Added Notes for why some characters are 8-A
and changed some of the icons on the verse page cuz some of them suck.
 
I have a question on something that's been bugging me for a minute.
What happened to Asmodeous' profile? Was there some controversy I don't know about that warranted it's deletion or was the profile just that bad?
 
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HELLUVA BOSS; Character Reworks

New Profiles https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ms.Luzifer/Blitzing https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ms.Luzifer/ClankerClown Old Profiles https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blitzo https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Robotic_Fizzarolli Changes: General: -Added Scans -Added Stat Values...
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