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So real tbh
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Funny how this episode is the only one in season 2 with the original cartoon premise of "demons being hired to kill humans" and it's probably the worst episode of the show?
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Trust me the finale of S2 is giving that competition
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Apology Tour says hi
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Probably shows that people don't like the premise that much if they are going to be like 22 minutes
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ok what IS people thing with apology tour???
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Nah.
The first and third episodes of the first season are pretty cool.
Cherubs is probably my favorite episode of HB.
I was curious, why?
It's ok for me.
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because they were 11 minutes and not all centered around the mission (spring broken actually was not even a mission, it was just collecting dead bodies to have a parking lot)
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I got the numbering wrong, I meant episodes 1 and 4.
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alr. hmmmm
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okay someone from the calc group or whatever it's called, asked the original calcer to change the rock to soil on the Millie making a crater calc, unless they want to take a rejection
for fun I decided to do it myself
and the feat went from 8-C to 9-B..... well I just need to wait until @Emerald either changes the calc or accepts the rejection
A Accepted 9-B+ Calc for the Big fish that Millie kills in spring broken. (besides the LS, everything else is apparently accepted)
11:50 and 12:33 in Loo Loo Land
Blitz Repeatedly Survives getting flinged into the air by Robo-Fizz
which is probably just gonna be 9-B but idk if this could even be calced
21:40 in exes and oohs
Millies rips out a spine, Class K and probably 9-B probably needs a Calculation
15:10 THE FULL MOON
Millies survives a Blast from one fo the Cherub's Armor things's missiles (never bothered to learn the names) which caused a big Explosion
16:43 two of the Same Missiles causes a Building to Collapse
this definitely needs a calc. Probably still in the Tier 9 Ranges
-Sinners
This Calc of Sir Pentious surving Explosions caused by Alastor
The Pilot one became 8-C and the One from Ep 2 was 8-B the calc needs to be evaluated tho
and if it did every sinner would now be 8-B
with alastor having 8-A Powers due to creating an 8-A Explosion
and that's it. I don't think there are more good feats for the sinners other than that :/
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Basically, what we're doing is establishing that tier 8 has enough tier 9 things backing it that it works. A single anti-feat does not outdo a dozen feats.
Though, we have a few things going on that I should note: Millie vs the Big Fish has an 8-A calc for Millie, Due to Pentious being severely injured by an 8-C feat and injured by an 8-B feat that is safe to throw out as an outlier since Millie doesn't outscale Pentious.
Speaking of Pentious, we should make use of a "Likely" between 8-C and 8-B, since both feats come from his durability and the 8-C one actually damaged him more.
People who scale to Alastor are 8-A, which is... uh... Vox. Literally just the TV man. Al doesn't really have a lot of scaling, and what scaling he does have is other characters being scared of the guy or Adam one-shotting his barrier and proceeding to stomp him. This is the same CRT that would give "At most 7-A" AP to his shadows for harming Adam... y'know, part of the reason I got invulnerability removed from angels? Unless we downgrade Adam's durability for some reason, yeah. Still vehemently against Alastor physically scaling to Adam though, don't get your hopes up.
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My a** ain't gonna mention speed, cuz after stalking every Thread related to the Hellaverse Speed, it just made me extremely confused on their speed rating
speaking fo Hellaverse
we should probably get someone to change the Verse name to that since that's the official name now...
and probably get someone to remove this zoophobia Profile as this was back when people thought it's canon to The hellaverse.. and there's also no calcs for this. other than smth related to a gray wolf.
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speaking fo Hellaverse
we should probably get someone to change the Verse name to that since that's the official name now...
and probably get someone to remove this zoophobia Profile as this was back when people thought it's canon to The hellaverse.. and there's also no calcs for this. other than smth related to a gray wolf.
Zillion
No one truly knows where Zill came from, or even what he is. As a child, he was often teased for his appearance, which was deemed unusual even amongst the diverse inhabitants of Safe Haven. Despite the ridicule, Zill worked hard to build a reputation as a kind creature, a friend to many, and...
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Basically, current calcs are sorta wrong by staff votes, and things need to be calculated. That should be a seperate thread from the Sinner downgrade though, since two verse-wides in a single thread is definitely going to be overwhelming in a verse that struggles to get staff votes.
yeah probably, ain't gonna be me though
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speaking of tier 8 we probably need a new calc for that tier since the 8-C Millie crater calc would likely turn into 9-B unless Emerald takes the Calc Group's Rejection
I'm aware of that calc, I just forgot to mention it
aight
I mean ig also Rosie due to the S2 Leaks but then again we probably gonna wait till s2 comes out until we make her a profile
so am i
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I see people asking staff to change the names of character profiles in the all purpose thread I should try asking there
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Just use the Pentious scaling. Like, seriously, most of the Helluva tier 9 feats are done with ease lmfao
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on a different note, is it okay to add characters into the verse's profile
I noticed that both Rolando and anduolel f*** i Cant spell, the elsa bird both have a profile yet aren't one the verse's page
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I noticed that both Rolando and anduolel f*** i Cant spell, the elsa bird both have a profile yet aren't one the verse's page
Andrealphus
Andrealphus is a supporting antagonist of Helluva Boss who made his debut in the episode "Western Energy". He is a Marquis of the Ars Goetia, the brother of Stella, and, by extension, the brother-in-law of Stolas and the uncle of Octavia. Tier: At least Low 7-C, possibly higher Name: Andrealphus...
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Rolando (Helluva Boss)
Rolando is the antagonist of the 10th episode in the second season of Helluva Boss, "Ghostf**kers". He is an Infestor Demon that posed as the manager of a hotel called the One Star Wonder on Earth, terrorizing the people who attended it, and killing those who caught onto his secret. He...
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okay how would we explain why they scale to sir Pentious, besides sir Pentious being stated to be a wimpy fighter and the fact the Imp's feats were done easily
considering the whole hierarchy thing
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Tbf that crater has an unknown depth, so it’s not really an anti-feat. The calc did just a minimum estimation, it can be whatever deep, thus energy can be whatever high, but we scale to the minimum since we don’t know. So I wouldn’t use this as an anti-feat.
Why is Alastor 8-A if he only did a 8-A explosion. He does not have a UES.
Still disagreed with that.
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Blitz overpowers a sinner that was getting on his nerves and threw them out a window(The potential overpowering was offscreen, admittedly), with Pentious being considered a wimpy fighter this basically means this sinner would be comparable to him. Obviously, Blitz is very strong for an Imp, so at the end of the day the rest of his crew is downscaling from him and thus Pentious, but we aren't talking not scaling at all difference.
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What it is is just taking the current Low 7-C calc and applying surface area to it, as well as confirming Alastor didn't cause shit and the blimp blew up on its own.
He was also well within melee range of it... We also don't know how he caused it, for all we know he smacked Pentious so hard the air combusted and his power made it green. Should note though, that he was in the process of transforming into Demon Form for this, so knock yourself out with how to scale it, whatever you come up with I'll probably agree with to some extent.
Oh, and Husk/Angel Dust do get hurt by rando sinners or hellborn(I don't care to have this lengthy debate that boils down to tosh again.) so that's another reason to scale Blitz to that lot.
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I'm guessing why just the 8-C not the 8-B(?) is cuz Sir Pentious was more damaged by the 8-C one than the 8-B one and also 8-B is a "likely"
or are we scaling blitz and the i.m.p to both tier 8 calcs as a whole?
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I know. What I’m saying is that it can’t be an anti-feat for 8-B or higher, only a supportive, since the depth can be whatever as our calc is bare minimum estimation, and depth is directly proportional to the energy Sir Pentious tanked. Basically, Pentious should be straight up 8-B.
That thing looks like it is in the air. Also, how does magic make punch do green explosives? That’s too much into assumption area.
No, Alastor should just be “at least 8-B”, tbh.
Fair.
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it'd be both. it's not like Pentious varies in durability or something, he's just got two conflicting feats and the easiest way to sort it out without resorting to semantics is just "8-C, likely 8-B" for the scaling
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And the bare minimum is what we have a calculation for. If you have another calculation for that explosion and its crater, feel free to provide it, until then the calc and subsequent 8-C stands. Just makes "likely 8-B" more solid.
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so what is the reason Alastor wouldnt have Low 7-C Powers due to making that explosion in the pilot.
is it cuz his tentacles was destroyed from it?
is it cuz his tentacles was destroyed from it?
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Because he didn't cause it. There's literally no proof other than assumption he did.
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I’m not saying to upgrade the calc to 8-B. It’s basically that you can’t use it as an anti-feat. Mathematically speaking, energy >= 8-C, NOT strictly equal to 8-C nor <= 8-C. We scale it to 8-C because we don’t know the exact depth, we stick to bare minimum. It can be higher, never lower, thus you cannot say it is an anti-feat. It’s like saying that the General of Excorsists vaporizing Pentious’ ship is an anti-feat for 7-A (arguing that he vaporized it and not atomized it, for example), so he should be “at least 7-C, likely 7-A”, even though the calc is bare minimum estimation.
Another example would be saying something character did very casually is still an anti-feat, even though this is not his best, even though he scales to that feat at the bare minimum, not lower or strictly to it. E. g. smth like “Sans should be 10-B, likely 9-A because he broke stick which any human can do”, even though this is a bare minimum estimation for his power.
It’s a sheer impact for his tentacles smashing the ship into the ground. If I somehow make a large plane land into the earth, I will not have same AP as explosion, it’s mostly plane’s weight that caused that, not me.
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Orange, I'm not budging on this one. There's a difference between an effortless 7-C feat and an effortless 10-B feat and a feat that we can only calc the bare minimum of because of multiple unknowns surrounding it. We have a calculation for one, we do NOT have a calculation for your theoretical higher interpretation. If there was, and it was accepted over the current Low 7-C one, I'd be using the result of surface area from that one.
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Nah, sorry, Pentious is one of the only characters that I actually like here, so I am fighting over it.
There is no difference at all. The reason why “effortless” is a justification because it means that character is >= whatever feat he did. Likewise, “not knowing exact depth” should indeed be a justification because it means that Pentious is >= whatever energy we estimate he tanked. Otherwise, it’s double standards, and downgrade General of Exorcists and Lucifer to 7-C, likely 7-A if you wanna be consistent. There is no difference except in how the logic applies.
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Hazbin Hotel - Alastor Snaps his Fingers (v2)
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I’m not saying there was no effort. I’m saying that the calc is only about visible part of crater. We never get an angle to see how actually deep it is.
Basically:
It can be kilometers deep for all we know, it’s just that part is hidden by the earth, and DarthSpiderr had to work with only the visible part.
Basically:
It can be kilometers deep for all we know, it’s just that part is hidden by the earth, and DarthSpiderr had to work with only the visible part.
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And? Orange, we both know how I feel about assumptions, and this boils down to one.
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This is not an assumption. Saying that the true depth of the crater is indeed a valid statement. I’m not saying “assume it is 2x big”, I’m saying it can be whatever depth beyond the visible calculated one.
In fact, saying “the depth of crater is strictly 18.smth meters” is a wrong statement, not mine. We have straight tiers for worse amount of supportives. See Undertale. Heck, even Hazbin’s own top tier has only ONE 7-A feat, all else are just supportives or way lower.
TL;DR: You’re just acting like the number is a strict exact calculated one and not a mere minimum estimation that can be supportive at best if there is a higher calc.
In fact, saying “the depth of crater is strictly 18.smth meters” is a wrong statement, not mine. We have straight tiers for worse amount of supportives. See Undertale. Heck, even Hazbin’s own top tier has only ONE 7-A feat, all else are just supportives or way lower.
TL;DR: You’re just acting like the number is a strict exact calculated one and not a mere minimum estimation that can be supportive at best if there is a higher calc.
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Oh, and by the way, General of Exorcists has the same if not worse case than Pentious. He got slammed into the ground which made a crater less than Pentious’ one and started bleeding because of it.
Downgrade Pentious = downgrade General of Exorcists.
Downgrade Pentious = downgrade General of Exorcists.
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And yet one has a number, one has an assumption with shaky ground to stand on. This is either justification for an at least 8-C or more justification for likely 8-B, and I'd lean towards the latter, personally.
I disagree with the feat itself being used, but not for reasons of "it's higher than the others"
Orange, if I was busting your back over that one when almost all things point to Adam outscaling everyone who may have anti-feats in store for him, I'm fairly certain I'd have zero support. I like more than one feat in a tier, yes, but when the area of scaling is as completely devoid of actual proper feats as Hazbin's god-tiers are, you take what you can get.
This isn't an entire several-season show like EMH where everyone is rated High 6-C based on literally one singular ******* feat, this is Hazbin, where the god-tiers who scale to Adam do nothing but create shit and have literally one fight scene at best.
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I'd be happy, calculate the crater, if there's enough imp feats over it, it gets invalidated as a reverse outlier though. fair warning.
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Religious reasons.
Heh.
Having a number does not make it an anti-feat, lol. If I calculate that I have 356 people in my town, does it mean that the true population of people on Earth can’t be billions? Is it an “anti-feat”?
This is just your standards, “has a number” = “it’s an exact 100% number”. Maths doesn’t work like that (not even maths, just logics).
Still, that’s how the site currently is.
<= 8-C, 7-C and 7-A, with Alastor, an 8-C character, being able to slightly harm him. Pretty fair that it will pull it to 7-C at least. Sure.
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If you're done, I'm still waiting for the proof the crater is deeper than calculated. Until you have that, you're screaming assumptions into space.
And how do you know where Alastor's shadows scale? We already have him using his powers to cause 8-A explosions, and he's happy to use the shadows in his full demon form, why wouldn't he be using an 8-A shadow to try and hurt Adam?
In fact, if it ends up 9-B there's already multiple I.M.P feats in 9-A, and even Stolas has an 8-C durability feat, so... yeah that sort of thing dies to reverse outlier, sorry.
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