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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Thats literally the problem tho Reaper, logically Charlie literally CANT be in one shot range of a guy who is literally accepted to be physically inferior to basically everyone around him
Yeah? And logically, Viv would have kept her ******' story straight, instead of contradicting herself so many times we had to ban WoG without back-up/if it has contradictions. Sure is strange for someone who's in the "Top 3 of Hell" to not instantly stomp a rando sinner, right?
 
Yeah? And logically, Viv would have kept her ******' story straight, instead of contradicting herself so many times we had to ban WoG without back-up/if it has contradictions. Sure is strange for someone who's in the "Top 3 of Hell" to not instantly stomp a rando sinner, right?
I agree with that, like, she SHOULD be stronger than Alastor, but what we see cant lend enough to that, and some bum sinner can evenly match her apparently. Even assuming she was still holding back, we have no way of knowing how much, I love this verse but I hate its scaling.

and the fact that this is one of the verses where we can literally ignore WoG is such a testament to how bad its scaling can be
 
I don't know, next season is going to be something with Alastor:
"I can't fight her, no matter how much experience i have, she is just stronger than me...but, i can definitely manipulate her into doing what i want"
will that be enough/
 
Yeah? And logically, Viv would have kept her ******' story straight, instead of contradicting herself so many times we had to ban WoG without back-up/if it has contradictions. Sure is strange for someone who's in the "Top 3 of Hell" to not instantly stomp a rando sinner, right?
We straight up don't see characters being that physically strong in their base form, yet Charlie was able to hold her own against a demon form, so she's strong in her base form to be on the level of demon forms. I don't see how it's a contradiction if her base form is not meant to be planet level so that she one-shots all of them.

We already know her transformations are pretty powerful, as she was able to survive a punch from Adam, and straight up tanked one while he was enraged when she transformed even more.

Even more, it's quite literally nonsensical to assume that Charlie is weaker in durability than Sir Pentious, or that Katie Killjoy in her demon form wouldn't scale to Sir Pentious.
 
We straight up don't see characters being that physically strong in their base form,
You watched Happy Hotel, didn't you? Look at literally any overlord we see fighting, or Weakened Alastor, even. Damn, we just never see Overlords do impressive things in their base form, nope, definitely not feats we currently scale basically everyone to, perfromed by Vox and Val! That would be wild!
yet Charlie was able to hold her own against a demon form, so she's strong in her base form to be on the level of demon forms. I don't see how it's a contradiction if her base form is not meant to be planet level so that she one-shots all of them.
of a random demon form we don't know the scale of beyond doing 9-C damage to the area. We see Demon forms hurt themselves by bumping their head on roofs, like Angel Dust. It's not that huge of an amp outside of very specific scenarios.
We already know her transformations are pretty powerful, as she was able to survive a punch from Adam, and straight up tanked one while he was enraged when she transformed even more.
And Niffty survived one of his blasts. Adam can be casual, and often is.
Even more, it's quite literally nonsensical to assume that Charlie is weaker in durability than Sir Pentious, or that Katie Killjoy in her demon form wouldn't scale to Sir Pentious.
Why do you think 9-B is on the profile to begin with, mythic? You're inventing a problem that's not there.
 
You watched Happy Hotel, didn't you? Look at literally any overlord we see fighting, or Weakened Alastor, even. Damn, we just never see Overlords do impressive things in their base form, nope, definitely not feats we currently scale basically everyone to! That would be wild!
We haven't seen overlords do practically anything impressive physically wise, and the only ones we've seen really battle it out in their base forms were Alastor and Vox, guess what they did?
These stuff are not impressive in the grand scheme of things, when you have sinners like Angel Dust or Cherri Bomb scaling to them.

Compare that to the insane collateral damage done by Full Demon Form Alastor vs 100% Vox, or even the average output done by their abilities.
of a random demon form we don't know the scale of beyond doing 9-C damage to the area. We see Demon forms hurt themselves by bumping their head on roofs, like Angel Dust. It's not that huge of an amp outside of very specific scenarios.
We literally see Angel Dust in their normal form a second later, before they even bumped their head.
And Niffty survived one of his blasts. Adam can be casual, and often is.
She didn't even survive the blast, it was the shockwave. He had no reason to be casual with Charlie when she drew blood from him a second ago.
Why do you think 9-B is on the profile to begin with, mythic? You're inventing a problem that's not there.
What way did you read that comment? Charlie is weaker than Sir Pentious in durability, and Katie Killjoy by that logic would be incapable of harming Sir Pentious.

As I said it's nonsensical to assume Katie Killjoy is incapable IN HER DEMON FORM of damaging Sir Pentious.
 
I'd say that has less to do with them both being in their Demon Forms and more with the fact that those two are the strongest guys in Hell
Their demon form obviously had a play in this, otherwise they should've still done said damage during their base form fight.

I also compared it to the extent of the usual magical showings. A character like Octavia has a stronger feat than either of them during that fight.
 
Anyways let's return to our discussion of how superior the Hazbin Hotel pilot is to the the show.
One thing it wasn't superior in was it's handling of Charlie.

In fact, Season 2 Charlie is more like how Pilot Charlie would act!
 
One thing it wasn't superior in was it's handling of Charlie.
I don't see season 2 Charlie getting in a catfight with a reporter on live television...

Eh still liked her design better.
1000

(technically not the pilot, but it's like a perfected version of the design with the style of ADDICT)
 
I don't see season 2 Charlie getting in a catfight with a reporter on live television...
Yeah but Season 2 Charlie did the same things Pilot Charlie did! If she was advised to do something, she'd always do the exact opposite!

"Don't go on a musical number" and what does Pilot Charlie do?
"Don't let the Radio Demon in" and what does Pilot Charlie do?
"Don't go on the news" and what does Season 2 Charlie do?
 
Yeah but Season 2 Charlie did the same things Pilot Charlie did! If she was advised to do something, she'd always do the exact opposite!
Still didn't get into a catfight with a reporter on live television.

I'd say some were justified to some extent, rather than her doing it to just damage the hotel reputation or embarrass herself. The musical did embarrass here, but that wasn't justified anyways.
"Don't let the Radio Demon in" and what does Pilot Charlie do?
This is somewhat justified. Yes, he's a monster who could crush their dreams in a second, but they already had nothing, there was no way he would've actually ruined it more.

Also the show just made her do the deal despite her not doing deals with demons being like a very important part of her character. I disliked that moment A LOT.

I also like that we didn't have an embarrassingly trash Charlie at fighting like we do now.
 
Still didn't get into a catfight with a reporter on live television.

I'd say some were justified to some extent, rather than her doing it to just damage the hotel reputation or embarrass herself. The musical did embarrass here, but that wasn't justified anyways.
The point was that telling her to not do something will make her do that thing lmfao
This is somewhat justified. Yes, he's a monster who could crush their dreams in a second, but they already had nothing, there was no way he would've actually ruined it more.
And her GF was literally like "Well don't let him in!" when asked what to do
Also the show just made her do the deal despite her not doing deals with demons being like a very important part of her character. I disliked that moment A LOT.

I also like that we didn't have an embarrassingly trash Charlie at fighting like we do now.
This is fair, to an extent, it's a neutral point for me though.
She didn't have more choices to be fair, all the news are controlled by Vox
...She was advised to not go on the news in general lmfao
 
The point was that telling her to not do something will make her do that thing lmfao
Definitely an issue. My point was that I don't think she has to listen to everything Vaggie says in general.

But yes, not doing the musical and going on the news was definitely something she should've done.
And her GF was literally like "Well don't let him in!" when asked what to do
I mean yeah, it's obvious she wouldn't want him in, but Charlie in her life has probably dealt with lots of dangerous demons to the point I don't think she was scared much or thought it was an entirely bad idea. Guy could've destroyed the hotel in 2 seconds but didn't.
 
Definitely an issue. My point was that I don't think she has to listen to everything Vaggie says in general.
I'd agree under circumstances she doesn't ask what she should do, else it just turns into one of these situations
But yes, not doing the musical and going on the news was definitely something she should've done.

I mean yeah, it's obvious she wouldn't want him in, but Charlie in her life has probably dealt with lots of dangerous demons to the point I don't think she was scared much or thought it was an entirely bad idea. Guy could've destroyed the hotel in 2 seconds but didn't.
Charlie looked visibly scared and nervous lmfao
 
Charlie looked visibly scared and nervous lmfao
She looked more nervous than scared at all. I assumed this is because in the end, sinners are different than dangerous Hellborn beings who don't have a reason to be outright evil. It's also because a sinner who had disappeared for 7 years randomly decided to show up to your Hotel right after you embarrassed yourself on live television.
 
I am sorry...but how will someone asks me to end myself just because i said that it isn't the Va's fault that there are children in the cons about a show for adults?
 
I am sorry...but how will someone asks me to end myself just because i said that it isn't the Va's fault that there are children in the cons about a show for adults?
People talk nonsense ***** sometimes, and sometimes means always. Often, when someone places themselves on a moral pedestal, the chance of turning a blind eye to their own flaws is very high.
 
This thread finally has it's third vote
 
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From what I've seen there's only two unfinished CRTs left, and they're probably going into the Mega CRT 2:
And
 
it's basically a recycle of past crts, asking what calc whould be used for the overload calc and Lucifer's not tier 5 cuz there's a statement of the overload o ly destroying half the Pentagon.
i handled it
 
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