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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Man, it sucks that Alastor only has Low 7-C for his magic and not his physicals😭. I wanted to make a match with him against Frieren but his magic gets nulled and he doesn't have the striking strength to break her shields
 
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DarkLock92 said:
Man, it sucks that Alastor only has Low 7-C for his magic and not his physicals😭. I wanted to make a match with him against Frieren but his magic gets pulled and he doesn't have the striking strength to break her shields
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Alastor is immortal, and if he lasts long enough, he could possibly wear down her magic, making her tier 10.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Alastor is immortal, and if he lasts long enough, he could possibly wear down her magic, making her tier 10.
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She's got way too much mana for that and Al's combat applicable regen is only High-Mid at best. She can either destroy him beyond his combat applicable regen, seal him away or transmute him, whilst his only real wincon is distracting her with his minions as well as Husk and Niffty (but he never seems to summon these two in-character) to allow him to land a sneak attack, which might not even work given that Frieren is an Extraordinary Genius who analyses her opponent's magic and tends to stay in the air out of range.

I guess Al has a wincon so it's technically not a stomp but it's really unfair to him so I've kinda lost interest.
 
DarkLock92 said:
She's got way too much mana for that and Al's combat applicable regen is only High-Mid at best. She can either destroy him beyond his combat applicable regen
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While Al is way weaker than her stat wise (Small Building to City Block+ dura is insane), High-Mid regen is coming back from blown to the tiniest of bits and it seems like every matchup of the Hellaverse uses the High-Mid Regen with it being very fast so he won't be obliterated beyond his regen combat applicable regen
Plus, Magic wise they're relative (Frieren's 1.0722 Kilotons to Al's 1.03 Kilotons) ) and the fact Al's Small town level comes from a very casual feal would it's honestly arguable that they're equal and, from what I can see, her normal mana only goes up to her value and her barriers just vaguely upscale. if it was somethingly like a 3x or 4x dura difference, it'd be a huge problem but I can totally see him damaging her beond her barriers and he 100% has the stamina to fight for long periods of time
DarkLock92 said:
seal him away or transmute him
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Two wincons for sure. IDK enough about frieren to know if she'll do that offrip but she'll 100% do that if Al doesn't kill her first
DarkLock92 said:
whilst his only real wincon is distracting her with his minions as well as Husk and Niffty (but he never seems to summon these two in-character) to allow him to land a sneak attack, which might not even work given that Frieren is an Extraordinary Genius who analyses her opponent's magic and tends to stay in the air out of range.
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Or just do what he did with Adam and, while overwhelming her with a tentacle rush, use his shadow to sneak a hit to her head.
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Alastor also has kilometers worth of range, can make his tentacles super huge, and has grabbed Adam mid air (though, to be fair to her, she'd have the IQ not to just stand) so her going into isn't gonna screw Al (plus, when he realizes that she pierces through his small buliting to City block dura, he's 100% fighting more serious
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Also, I realize mid typing if he does somehow get his tentacles or even his bare hands on her on her, with the LS Meta, Al genuinely crushes her and/or her rips in half (Class K physically, Class G Tentacles vs Average human Physcially, up to Class 50 with magic) and Al rips people apart with both in character sooooooo.
One thing that 100% screws him is if Frieren decides to cast her anti-magic spell to negate his magic and I don't know how long it/if it's permanant.
 
Al seeing Frieren lowkey withstand his hits, destroy his shadow minions, and, in a single hit, blow a hole in his chest (He Betta lock in or he's finished!)
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Anonymous_Learner said:
While Al is way weaker than her stat wise (Small Building to City Block+ dura is insane), High-Mid regen is coming back from blown to the tiniest of bits and it seems like every matchup of the Hellaverse uses the High-Mid Regen with it being very fast so he won't be
obliterated beyond his regen combat applicable regen
Plus, Magic wise they're relative (Frieren's 1.0722 Kilotons to Al's 1.03 Kilotons) ) and the fact Al's Small town level comes from a very casual feal would it's honestly arguable that they're equal and, from what I can see, her normal mana only goes up to her value and her barriers just vaguely upscale. if it was somethingly like a 3x or 4x dura difference, it'd be a huge problem but I can totally see him damaging her beond her barriers and he 100% has the stamina to fight for long periods of time
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Thing is, Frieren's forcefields are layered and have magic resistance, so I really don't see Al breaking through.
Eden_Warlock99 said:
He is screwed if she breaks his staff tho
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True, but he can just desummon and resummon it like he did against 100% Vox
 
But if y'all honestly think Al has a shot, I might actually make the match and let you debate (not today though, I'm tired)
 
DarkLock92 said:
They're not 5-B yet
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Don't need to be, they're still strong AF in Al's tentales
DarkLock92 said:
I doubt they make a difference because Frieren dies from one physical hit anyway.
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weren't you just saying she has layed forcifields+magic Resistence? she ain't dying from a physical hit
DarkLock92 said:
Also they failed to power null his shield so...
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Al just has Resistence to power null high-key 👀 (Angelic weapons can't null his forcefield and he teleports away from Adam after losing his staff and getting hit with adam's axe with him later stitching his busted staff up with his own magic [Probably just glaze but funny to joke])
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Don't need to be, they're still strong AF in Al's tentales
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Right now they're simply listed as above 9-A so not enough to deal with her forcefields
Anonymous_Learner said:
weren't you just saying she has layed forcifields+magic Resistence? she ain't dying from a physical hit
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Her forcefields do, she's still 10-B physically.
Edit : Wait nvm I forgot that she can somewhat defend her body with mana so AWs may be somewhat useful actually, though their power nullification is written as "limited" (unlike Adam's weirdly enough)
Anonymous_Learner said:
Al just has Resistence to power null high-key 👀 (Angelic weapons can't null his forcefield and he teleports away from Adam after losing his staff and getting hit with adam's axe with him later stitching his busted staff up with his own magic [Probably just glaze but funny to joke])
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Keep that in mind for when Orange comes back (and when there's less CRTs open)
 
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I've changed my mind here's the match
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The Slayer hunts down the Radio Demon | Frieren vs Alastor (0 - 0 - 0)

Rules : Speed is equalized Alastor is in his Base Key Alastor's High-Mid regen is granted Starting range is 10 meters SBA otherwise Smol Elf: AP: Average Human level physically, >1.0722 Kilotons of TNT with magic Durability: Average Human level physically; Varies, up to 1.0722 Kilotons of...
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Nothing really relevant, is just that the Squach broke a door of wood by just passing through it...also there is a old guy who knows about the truth but nobody believes him, then I.M.P kill a random guy thinking he is the Squach, and they take his suit from him because they didn't care that he wasn't the Squach and also OH SURPRISE, THE SQUACH IS GAY AND IS ******* WITH ANOTHER GUY
 
Ok i was looking through the Alastor Vs Vox fight to find what i think might scale the highest
and i want to know if any of this could scale high.
So in chronological order.

Alastor pimp slapping off the stage: Im thinking Wall-Small Building off of looks.
Vox counter pimp slapping him across the city: No clue where this could scale.
Vox throws Alastor through a street: Small Building maybe.
Vox recking the road with electrokinisis: Wall at most Small Building.
Alastor breaks some roads: Small Building probably.
Vox obliterates some debris: Small Building, Maybe Building im too sure.
Vox gets launched through a building so hard the top comes off: Small Building, Maybe Building
Alastor and Vox destroy stuff while ping ponging around buildings: Small Building-Building.

Again im only really going off of looks but this is everything i think might scale decently high. But overall i just
want to know if any of you think these might be relevant to scaling.
 
OmenISTIRED said:
Ok i was looking through the Alastor Vs Vox fight to find what i think might scale the highest
and i want to know if any of this could scale high.
So in chronological order.

Alastor pimp slapping off the stage: Im thinking Wall-Small Building off of looks.
Vox counter pimp slapping him across the city: No clue where this could scale.
Vox throws Alastor through a street: Small Building maybe.
Vox recking the road with electrokinisis: Wall at most Small Building.
Alastor breaks some roads: Small Building probably.
Vox obliterates some debris: Small Building, Maybe Building im too sure.
Vox gets launched through a building so hard the top comes off: Small Building, Maybe Building
Alastor and Vox destroy stuff while ping ponging around buildings: Small Building-Building.

Again im only really going off of looks but this is everything i think might scale decently high. But overall i just
want to know if any of you think these might be relevant to scaling.
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remember we had this guy at planetary
 
OmenISTIRED said:
Ok i was looking through the Alastor Vs Vox fight to find what i think might scale the highest
and i want to know if any of this could scale high.
So in chronological order.

Alastor pimp slapping off the stage: Im thinking Wall-Small Building off of looks.
Vox counter pimp slapping him across the city: No clue where this could scale.
Vox throws Alastor through a street: Small Building maybe.
Vox recking the road with electrokinisis: Wall at most Small Building.
Alastor breaks some roads: Small Building probably.
Vox obliterates some debris: Small Building, Maybe Building im too sure.
Vox gets launched through a building so hard the top comes off: Small Building, Maybe Building
Alastor and Vox destroy stuff while ping ponging around buildings: Small Building-Building.

Again im only really going off of looks but this is everything i think might scale decently high. But overall i just
want to know if any of you think these might be relevant to scaling.
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Very nice supportive feats and I prefer a bunch of supportive feats than relying on a calc for scaling and that scaling dies (look at you Low 5-B Hazbin)
They scale to shock.wav anyways (im hearing from Eden it might be contest but, as I said and gernally agreed upon, tier 8 is here to stay) so unless the calc goes away they'll be fine without it but it'll be good to have since it remains uncalced.
 
OiEuSouDuvi said:
What sandbox?
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I was making my own sandbox in preparation to downgrade the travel speed from the people who scale to Shok.wav when only Alastor, 100% Vox, and higher should realistically be as fast as him travel wise to niffty's now accepted subsonic speeds (again, travel speed)
however, all these accepted calcs have appeared so I'm just adding them on to the now downgrade and upgrade crt 2.
I likely won't post anything til either some more CRTS go through or, more likely knowing hazbin crts track record of taking absurdly long unless it's something big, till your "Demon Elsa Dragon" calculated is made and (hopefully) accepted
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
I likely won't post anything til either some more CRTS go through or, more likely knowing hazbin crts track record of taking absurdly long unless it's something big, till your "Demon Elsa Dragon" calculated is made and (hopefully) accepted
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The calculation itself is already done, I "just" have to review it and create the blog. Demon Elsa Dragon...good name!! 🧐👍
 
DarkLock92 said:
Nice. So who would scale, exactly? Loona in her demon form? Blitzø with weapons?
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I'm forgetting the fight, did loona ever damage the dragon? ik she damaged Stella's brother but I don't remember.
iirc, I.M.P got those weapons from stealing them from a goetia thing so it probably wouldn't scale to their normal weapons and be optional equipment.
 
Either the IMP scales with piercing AP, or the Dragon has poor durability against piercing AP. I don't have a firm opinion on this, so meh.
 
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