Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Even if we use low ball (a billion of Sinners) and divide number by 6 (there are apparently only 6 major places including Pride Ring including Pentagram itself), the population would still be counted in hundreds of millions, which is far above the largest population irl city Tokyo with its ~37.5 million of people.
I won't be talking about high ball i.e. hundreds of billions. It'd be ridiculous to say it's just 3 km wide based off of these depictions, because it would be unrealistic for them to show all the proportions right.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

and we can relaible know that the 100 billion souls is not Vox making things up

It's too specific, he could have said 100 million, or just 1 billion, but he specifically chose a hundred billion, on top of that it matches up pretty well with how many humans have actually died in real life over the course of our history (that we know)

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Even if we use low ball (a billion of Sinners) and divide number by 6 (there are apparently only 6 major places including Pride Ring including Pentagram itself), the population would still be counted in hundreds of millions, which is far above the largest population irl city Tokyo with its ~37.5 million of people.
I won't be talking about high ball i.e. hundreds of billions. It'd be ridiculous to say it's just 3 km wide based off of these depictions, because it would be unrealistic for them to show all the proportions right.

Just gonna point out of those 6 places 4 of those are just individual buildings and 2 of those 4 are literally just a dude's house

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Even if we use low ball (a billion of Sinners) and divide number by 6 (there are apparently only 6 major places including Pride Ring including Pentagram itself), the population would still be counted in hundreds of millions, which is far above the largest population irl city Tokyo with its ~37.5 million of people.
I won't be talking about high ball i.e. hundreds of billions. It'd be ridiculous to say it's just 3 km wide based off of these depictions, because it would be unrealistic for them to show all the proportions right.

We actually saw an Alastor versus Vox that up close everything looks far larger, I think it's just a case of art choices making the size somewhat inconsistent at a distance

 

[Alexander]

It's too specific, he could have said 100 million, or just 1 billion, but he specifically chose a hundred billion, on top of that it matches up pretty well with how many humans have actually died in real life over the course of our history (that we know)

but remember, Humanity in this world didn't suffer from evolution

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

it matches up pretty well with how many humans have actually died in real life over the course of our history (that we know)

It doesn't actually match up because that's the number of irl people, while 100B from Vox is solely about Winners.

 

[Alexander]

Also, can't we just simple use a city like New-york or las vegas has the size instead of assuming things like...Chicago?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

It doesn't actually match up because that's the number of irl people, while 100B from Vox is solely about Winners.

It makes sense in the Hazbinverse because humanity has been existing since Earth was created, and if you wanted to calculate the number of people that would've been born in 4.5 billion years, and then subtract a minuscule 100 billion...
I truly think saying that Pentagram City has a billion people is actually the most conservative you can be in light of the facts.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

They are just concentrated there, other cities are designed mostly for IMPs but Sinners are seen there.

I thought every sinner was stuck in pride?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I thought every sinceramente was stuck in pride?

Yes, but Pride Ring in itself is divided into several cities. Pentagram City is just one of them (although the biggest one for Sinners).

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Rewatched the episode and I just realized why I thought Vox looked so weird at the end on my first watch. He ends up sleeveless at the end and his arms are for some reason bigger than they were when he still had sleeves on

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I did a thing

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I did a thing

idk which city's density to use so I j put them all. What do we thinking?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

One thing I wish they did better in Season 2 is give Baxter more screentime and more reason for him to be attached to the main cast. While "perfect 45 degrees angle of blanket" was fun and all but really, he needed to be shown more.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I did a thing

Tier 6

 

[Stellar_Fish]

It's not that weird once you consider all the overlords worked together to stop the explosion cause it would kill them all, so realistically, only Lucifer and Adam would certainly scale.

 

[Alexander]

It's not that weird once you consider all the overlords worked together to stop the explosion cause it would kill them all, so realistically, only Lucifer and Adam would certainly scale.

nah, ONLY LUCIFER, Adam won't scale by a long shot

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Tbh given that Charlie couldn't stop it and needed massive help including people like FP Alastor and Rosie, combined with the fact that it should use regular AWs weapon power too and that it pushed Lu to the limits, and finishing it off with the fact that Emily, another Seraphim, got her wing obliterated from it, not quite sure if it should really scale to anyone except as Vox's equipment.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Lucifer and Adam can scale higher off the gun, there calcs on Reddit that put it shaking Heaven and the shield break at continental or above iirc.
Plus I think realistically the one billion estimate is a strong lowball, especially considering the source if a line in a song from Charlie trying to rile everyone up, so I doubt she was trying to be 100% accurate.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Tbh given that Charlie couldn't stop it and needed massive help including people like FP Alastor and Rosie, combined with the fact that it should use regular AWs weapon power too and that it pushed Lu to the limits, and finishing it off with the fact that Emily, another Seraphim, got her wing obliterated from it, not quite sure if it should really scale to anyone except as Vox's equipment.

I might be misremembering but I think it was implicit that the explosion wouldn't kill Lucifer

 

[Tllmbrg]

Tbh given that Charlie couldn't stop it and needed massive help including people like FP Alastor and Rosie, combined with the fact that it should use regular AWs weapon power too and that it pushed Lu to the limits, and finishing it off with the fact that Emily, another Seraphim, got her wing obliterated from it, not quite sure if it should really scale to anyone except as Vox's equipment.

I think you can argue Alastor scaling actually, since he essentially strongarmed Rosie to give him his powers back or everyone would die.

 

[Alexander]

Lucifer and Adam can scale higher off the gun

no, they won't, LUCIFER LITERRALY ******* VIOLATED ADAM

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Tbh given that Charlie couldn't stop it and needed massive help including people like FP Alastor and Rosie, combined with the fact that it should use regular AWs weapon power too and that it pushed Lu to the limits, and finishing it off with the fact that Emily, another Seraphim, got her wing obliterated from it, not quite sure if it should really scale to anyone except as Vox's equipment.

It also scales to Carmila's weaponry. And she built that shit in a relatively short period of time, damn.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

no, they won't, LUCIFER LITERRALY ******* VIOLATED ADAM

Bro if a High 6-C - Low 6-B furiously punches a 7-C, I think the 7-C at the very least wouldn't be able to stand up lmao. Adam scales.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

no, they won't, LUCIFER LITERRALY ******* VIOLATED ADAM

He still endured his serious punches. Also if you make him not scale while Lu does, @ShionAH will come to your house and nuke it just like he split Hotel in two. So... wouldn't recommend that.

I think you can argue Alastor scaling actually, since he essentially strongarmed Rosie to give him his powers back or everyone would die.

Tbf given the fact that Charlie does not really scale straight to Lucifer but at best downscales, and Alastor (and Rosie by extension) downscale from that, it makes sense. So sure, I take that back.

Tier 6 Alastor??? On VSBW??? Am I dreaming???

 

[DaReaperMan]

Another thing to note is that for every Overlord there making magic to absorb the hit, you can divide that Calc by that amount in order to find out where they scale normally.

I can't wait for tier 7 Husk and Vox.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Btw what do we add to Sinner Physiology for that flashy lasers (or whatever those were?) they created to stop Might of Lilith?

Thoughts?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Thoughts?

It's just magic, put it on the profiles, because if you notice, the folks who don't have magic(Cherri and Angel Dust) weren't doing beams,

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Another thing to note is that for every Overlord there making magic to absorb the hit, you can divide that Calc by that amount in order to find out where they scale normally.

I can't wait for tier 7 Husk and Vox.

Not sure about this method given that some (Charlie, Rosie, Alastor, likely Emily) were far more contributing than rest.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Another thing to note is that for every Overlord there making magic to absorb the hit, you can divide that Calc by that amount in order to find out where they scale normally.

I can't wait for tier 7 Husk and Vox.

I'm not sure if that works since what they were doing was helping Emily disappear the gun or something like that, and thanks to episode 2 we know that Emily's angelic powers are underdeveloped, so she probably just needed help to disappear a weapon so large and heavy.
That's my interpretation, at least.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It's just magic, put it on the profiles, because if you notice, the folks who don't have magic(Cherri and Angel Dust) weren't doing beams,

Didn't even random Sinner that wanted to help do it? And Vivz stated that magic is something that only above-average demons can do.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Another thing to note is that for every Overlord there making magic to absorb the hit, you can divide that Calc by that amount in order to find out where they scale normally.

I can't wait for tier 7 Husk and Vox.

I feel like with Alastor specifically you can honestly make a case for like
Half or something, since if him joining was vital (And it was, otherwise Rosie would obviously not agree to his terms) then it must be a substantial chunk

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I feel like with Alastor specifically you can honestly make a case for like
Half or something, since if him joining was vital (And it was, otherwise Rosie would obviously not agree to his terms) then it must be a substantial chunk

Not sure about half or anything like that since Charlie and Emily should far exceed him, but it definitely shows his overwhelming superiority compared to the rest of Overlords.
It also aligns with the fact that Rosie said that his soul is unlike anything she's seen before.

 

[DarkLock92]

Didn't even random Sinner that wanted to help do it? And Vivz stated that magic is something that only above-average demons can do.

I'm fairly certain everyone there, besides Charlie and Emily was or used to be an Overlord, even supposedly lower level ones like Prick and Hatchet.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not sure about this method given that some (Charlie, Rosie, Alastor, likely Emily) were far more contributing than rest.

Normal scaling chains apply, Orange. We can't really prove how much they were contributing there, so we divide it evenly between them.

We can skip 8-A low-end Alastor magic and jump up to like 7-A, Orange.

Didn't even random Sinner that wanted to help do it? And Vivz stated that magic is something that only above-average demons can do.

They sang with the crowd, but the ******* ACTUALLY DOING BEAMS were the only ones contributing.

I feel like with Alastor specifically you can honestly make a case for like
Half or something, since if him joining was vital (And it was, otherwise Rosie would obviously not agree to his terms) then it must be a substantial chunk

If everyone there wasn't contributing it wouldn't have worked, is the point I think. It doesn't change the fact FP Alastor is stupidly stronger than most of the others contributing.

I'm not sure if that works since what they were doing was helping Emily disappear the gun or something like that, and thanks to episode 2 we know that Emily's angelic powers are underdeveloped, so she probably just needed help to disappear a weapon so large and heavy.
That's my interpretation, at least.

This is unsubstantiated headcanon, one I'd buy in a non-VSBW sense. But in a VSBW sense... nah.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I feel like with Alastor specifically you can honestly make a case for like
Half or something, since if him joining was vital (And it was, otherwise Rosie would obviously not agree to his terms) then it must be a substantial chunk

That sounds kinda headcanony ngl

This is unsubstantiated headcanon, one I'd buy in a non-VSBW sense. But in a VSBW sense... nah.

I don't really oppose it in any serious way, I'll just warn y'all: They would all be Tier 6-C and up unless they have at the very least 32 characters adding their energy.
Y'all are truly ready for 6-C+ Niffty?

 

[Alexander]

Bro if a High 6-C - Low 6-B furiously punches a 7-C, I think the 7-C at the very least wouldn't be able to stand up lmao. Adam scales.

I don't think Lucifer used that amount of power on him

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Normal scaling chains apply, Orange. We can't really prove how much they were contributing there, so we divide it evenly between them.

Well we do know that Charlie is far more powerful as well as Rosie/Al, so it would naturally mean that they contribute far more, don't you think?

We can skip 8-A low-end Alastor magic and jump up to like 7-A, Orange.

I want my goat stronk but I also want to make it fair.

They sang with the crowd, but the ******* ACTUALLY DOING BEAMS were the only ones contributing.

Ah alright. Misremembered then.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That sounds kinda headcanony ngl


I don't really oppose it in any serious way, I'll just warn y'all: They would all be Tier 6-C and up unless they have at the very least 32 characters adding their energy.
Y'all are truly ready for 6-C+ Niffty?

Do not threaten me with a good time.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I don't really oppose it in any serious way, I'll just warn y'all: They would all be Tier 6-C and up unless they have at the very least 32 characters adding their energy.
Y'all are truly ready for 6-C+ Niffty?

Yes