Hakumen vs Machina

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hakumen of Blazblue versus Machina of Dies Irae.

Hakumen is 20% power here and Machina is, of course, base here. Speeds equalized.

Tally:

-Hakumen: 0

-Machina: 0

-Inconclusive: 0

Who wins and why...


"I am the white void, I am the cold steel, I am the just sword! I AM HAKUMEN THE END HAS COME!


"The one true One Punch Man"

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

AFAIK Hakumen is faster than Machina, and i think Time Killer could kill Apostle just fine. I think Hakumen could win this match

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

AFAIK Hakumen is faster than Machina, and i think Time Killer could kill Apostle just fine. I think Hakumen could win this match

I could make it multiple rounds tho?

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Sure, i think speed equalized would be nice

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Done. It's a 4 round match this time.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Could you tell me the difference between 20% Hakumen and 100% Hakumen ?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Not really from the looks of it aside from being far stronger and faster. :/

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

I guess i'll say this for now

Every speed equalized round Machina could take it hard diff, while speed unequalized round Hakumen will blitz Machina. My opinion could change tho

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah on second thought, it's just two rounds with speed equalized and a couple other things taken form the other rounds. Not really my style to do more than 2 rounds on any match i made anyways so... :/

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Oh, did you change the OP ? Then i'll vote for Machina in both round due to equalized speed. And do you know someone who knows BlazBlue ? I'll ask them to give their input here

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah cause it could be a potential speed blitz if left unequalized so....mmm.That and because i don't really feel like doing more than 2 rounds at best normally. so....

Drellix and Perp come to mind.

 

[Cropfist]

Would conceptual punches count as instant death effects?

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Would conceptual punches count as instant death effects?

Yeah, i guess

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Would conceptual punches count as instant death effects?

Is that in reference to Machina's Briah? If so, yes. His Briah erases anyone or anything so long as they have a history (of course that's as long as they are not of a higher dimensional existence than him and if they land it solidly.)

 

[Cropfist]

Hakumen might resist it then. Anyone know how high-leveled Machina's resistance to temporal attacks is? It might decide whether or not Hakumen can actually kill him.

 

[Zeldasmash]

Round 2: I think Hakumen wins due to being immune to Instant Death Effects due to the Power of Order, rendering Machina's Briah moot. If it is rendered completely moot: Round 2 is a stomp in Hakumen's favor due to this.

As for Round 1, i'm not really sure. I don't know much about Machina or Dies Irae but from what i've seen in this wiki, this is going to be a LONG fight. Someone with three types of immortality vs someone who can turn intangible by turning into ink and has infinite stamina and energy. I might think this might be inconclusive.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

@Zeldasmash

Could you elaborate the Power of Order more ? How does that power makes Hakumen immune to instant death effect ?

@Crop

AFAIK Time Killer would kill an Apostle just fine. But i dont know wether it will permanently kill Machina or not. Since an Einherjar will respawn at Reinhard's castle if they're killed

 

[Zeldasmash]

The Power of Order is an ability that only a few people in the BlazBlue verse has (Jin/Hakumen, Celica in Chrono Phantasma was revealed to have it and in Central Fiction, Tsubaki/Izayoi and Makoto also have it) that holds ture to ones conviction no matter what. It's very strong that if developed well enough can allow it to destroy phenomena and resist Phenomena Intervention (reality warping). It is the reason how Jin overcame Yukianesa's influence and allowed Hakumen to survive being in the Boundary for over 100 years. There are only five people can interfere with the Power of Order, those being Noel, Ragna, Rachel, Hazama & Terumi.

The Boundary is a place where multiple timeline's interconnect and is the "home" of the Master Unit: Amaterasu. If trapped there, it's an endless void, unable to move at all unless savaged out. One's body cannot handle the amount of knowledge in the Boundary and will eventually desintagrate. The Power of Order is the main reason Hakumen survived, twice. It can be considered a powerful "sheer force of will" ability.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Will that be enough to no sell Machina's Briah though ? The Boundary sounds like a damage over time things and Midgard Volsung Saga sounds like an immediate damage things.

 

[HimikoWerckmeister]

Sounds like very similiar abilities,this is a tough one. Can Machina punch throrough resists? If so, Machina takes the cake on this one.

 

[ThePerpetual]

If existence erasure is Machina's big go-to, then I'd say Hakumen has a pretty good shot at this actually. Phenomena Intervention's primary utility is to change the state of something from "exists" to "does not exist", and Hakumen can more or less just say "No" if he's fighting at his peak and not care. His younger self, Jin, did also tank the Immortal Breaker full-stop, so...

That said, Machina seems to possess sufficient resistance to most of Hakky's haxorz, and regenerate/counter anything else thrown at him (Energy Absorb the more traditional animu energy slashes, warp through the defenses somehow, pull himself back together if cut apart), and the one thing that woudl work on the guy (Time Killer) isn't a guaranteed success, and if Machina manages to outmaneuver Hakky on that one he could leave himself vulnerable for a bit.

Really, honestly, I'd say it's just inconclusive. If I had to pick one way or another, it'd come down to the AP/Dura, in which case:

Round 1, still inconclusive.

Round 2, going with Hakumen. That AP/Dura advantage though.

 

[Drellix]

How does Hakumen get around the Type 4 Immortality?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

How does one count the votes of users who vote once for each round....

 

[Drellix]

How does one count the votes of users who vote once for each round....

I've always wondered that myself. It's why I never make battles with more than one round. lol

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Exactly. That's why i hesitant on doing that. ^^;

 

[Trexalfa29]

Any reason as to why Machina can't just erase the connection between Hakumen and the Susano'o Unit?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

can't he erase well the power of order as it is something that exists before the big bang? If so then well he could win idk i'm gonna go back to this

 

[Drellix]

can't he erase well the power of order as it is something that exists before the big bang? If so then well he could win idk i'm gonna go back to this

Doesn't he have to punch it to erase it?

 

[Zeldasmash]

The Power of Order chooses those who it deems worthy. It has never had a physical form so you can't just "punch" it.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

oh so actually power of order won't be punchable?

Round 1 i don't really know

Round 2 since PoO (pls don't pun it pls it's just simplfied for power of order) can't be punched out of existant unless someone explains more on it then Hakumen can beat him via having more AP/Dura

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah.....i'm not sure if adding the second round was really good here in the first place.

Not only that, i'm not sure if i want to continue this anymore?

Cause ugh, mpt really in the spirit for this anymore. I'm just gonna close this up for now. Sorry to everyone that's commented here so far. You're welcome to redo this again if wanted.