Hades verse creation/revival

[ShadowWhoWalks]

So I modernized the previous Zagreus profile which was deleted and added most of the scans; the profile which will serve as the foundation of the verse is almost ready with the most tedious parts done.

ShadowWhoWalks/Hades

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I would appreciate assistance in getting the verse going. The profiles of the gods should take a lot less effort.
For most of the sequel things, we will have to wait a few months (maybe a couple) for the full release, since that is when people will start documenting dialogue.

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To properly create/revive the verse, there should be a CRT to establish where the verse scales.

Spoiler: Freezing the oceans

We have Demeter threatening to freeze all the oceans, and Poseidon taking her threats seriously. Demeter also brought an eternal winter to Earth that blotted out the sun in the first game.

Demeter "Ah, little sprout. I was just notifying Lord Poseidon here that all of his domain exists because it pleases me; remember, my good foster-brother, I could freeze your oceans solid if I chose." Poseidon "Ah, hahahah! Excellently stated, venerable Goddess Demeter! I'm reminded once more of your vast experience, though, I think we all prefer our oceans liquidy, isn't that right, Nephew?!" --- Demeter "You bear the blessing of Poseidon, Zagreus? Someday I shall remind him of his place, and freeze his watery domain entirely."

This is also repeated in the sequel:

Demeter "So Poseidon has again availed himself to you! Well, good, and may he prove of use. I'll hold my threat to freeze his oceans then, for now." --- Poseidon "Ah, you've earned the frosty blessing of Elder Goddess Demeter, as I like to call her! To which she threatens to freeze my oceans! To which I apologize profusely, and we move on!"

Spoiler: Tremors felt in the Underworld

Potential supporting evidence for Tier 6 is a statement that Chaos felt tremors in the earth from Zagreus' battle with Hades:

Chaos "From the rumblings of the earth, I have deduced your father, himself, stands against you when at last you are about to leave these depths. It must be quite an interaction between you. Have I deduced correctly? Respond." Zagreus "That's right, Master Chaos. My father personally takes it upon himself to stop me in the event none of his underlings beat him to it. He... can be a handful."

There is a dialogue that can run when you reach the Temple Styx, where Chaos says that area is beyond his senses:

Chaos "You have traveled recently beyond my senses, Son of Hades. I persist here only in the fathomless depths. I know what lies out there, having created it. But I know nothing of what it is like, right now. Do not tell me. I prefer to think of all the possibilities."

Chaos' realm exists below the underworld and Chaos described it as "bowels of the earth". The sequel confirms that the underworld exists below the oceans (with Oceanus being the boundary), so at minimum the Underworld starts at 10 km underground, and the bowels of the earth could be at the lower mantle. The battles with Hades is on the surface.

Typhon was also able to cause tremors felt by Chaos:

Chaos "I was unable to detect you for some time, but then the earth itself shuddered as though an object of very substantial size fell from considerable height. That must have been the being you call Typhon. Did you cause him to fall? Do not respond."

Spoiler: Helios being the Sun

We have Helios controlling the sun, which is Tier 4.
The sequel has Selene, and it is confirmed that she controls the moon and causes it to cycle with her chariot.

Thanatos "What can I say? It's... different. I never stay up there for very long, don't think I could, starts making me feel ill. Too many sensations all at once. And when the chariot of Helios is in the sky, it gets so bright that I can barely see." --- Demeter "I have a brother, Helios, the Sun. A nonsense-talker with a flaming chariot. Why, he once told me that my Kore, that she went into that Underworld of yours! Preposterous. The clouds now blot him out entirely." --- Demeter "This land is not unlike your own in certain ways. For, Helios the Sun has not shone down upon it for some time. How long, I really couldn't tell you, little sprout! Long enough for mortals to take notice, certainly." --- Zagreus "...The Sun... Helios..."

Demeter "The witch Circe, whom you know. She's distant daughter to my Titan-brother Helios the Sun, who dares not show his face. Her enthusiasm for soil and grain is almost cloying... though I appreciate the underlying sentiment." --- Selene "Nyx spoke highly of your brother to me, little star. I too am distant from my brother Helios, the Sun. Sometimes I slow my steeds to catch a glimpse of him as he engulfs the surface. I do not think we would have much to talk about." --- Circe "I oft forget, we share some kinship, do we not? My father is the shining Sun itself, the Titan Helios. Distant accomplice to the gods! Not close with anyone. But he is... brother to the Lady Demeter, my aunt, who is your grandmother, correct...?" --- The Moon: "The Moon Incarnate, who rides silently across the night sky, observing all." --- 'All think her beautiful, few know her power, for she is distant and conceals it well. She is the Eye of Night. You look up to her. A Titaness fostered by Nyx herself, she ensures that the Unseen have visibility above the surface, as we below.' --- Moon Beam: Her light she shares with all the world, yet so few know her many mysteries. --- Selene "My ride across the sky tends to be quite a solitary one. I have my steeds to speak to, yes. But it is not the same as when I have the opportunity to speak with you."

Spoiler: Universal Hades?

The sequel gives potential to an argument for Universal. It explains the cosmology of the world as: Chaos + Underworld + Surface + Heavens. With Zeus holding dominion over heavens. The Aspect of Shiva mentions the ability to destroy all things and the world itself.

Chaos "You are familiar with what you know as the three realms: the heavens, surface, and the Underworld. But I know there to be a fourth, which you are in right now. And Possibility encompasses the rest."

Chaos was described as the beginning of all things in the first game.

Selene "You bear the Aspect I revealed to you before. I know little of this Shiva save their reputation as destroyer of all things; perhaps the Black Coat partly is responsible, though that is for you to discover now." --- The Destroyer's Aspect: "The Black Coat shall some evening find the lowest reaches of the Underworld in a form it assumed in the hands of a mighty lord who could destroy the world itself." --- Melinoë: "Great Shiva, grant to Xinth your full destructive force." --- Melinoë: "The raw destructive power of Shiva."

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As for speed, instead of just Zeus' lightning, the sequel allows dodging light beams from Apollo and Selene, which should allow us to make a relativistic calc. If coming from above, we can assume the height of a large room.

Also, Hermes moves faster than the steeds moving the sun and moon. I recall Zagreus, Poseidon, and Artemis were compared in swiftness to Hermes.

Selene "There is one god whose swiftness far surpasses any steed's. And he has granted some of it to you, I see. I caution you to not make too much haste. Steadfastness is the key to victory."

 

[Re5yh]

Cool

 

[Crabwhale]

I wanted to give a review of this but my message got eateded. I'll get to it eventually.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

New actually strong 4-C characters? I used to pray for times like these

 

[Laxxius]

With the release of the full game now it seems like a whole new realm of "possibilities" exist lol. They exist beyond what Chaos can detect (and Chaos can normally detect everything, except the exact happenings in the house of hades during the first game because of Nyx's "influence".), as well as beyond Prometheus's precognition.

There's also a strange void space that seems separate from Chaos (maybe I'm just illiterate and missed something). It's the place where the Fates were "lost" and where Moros meets you to bone. I remember some passing dialogue with Aphrodite where she says she was just barely able to detect the love that transpires within that void, which implies she can detect all love everywhere, apparently.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

The second game does branch the world into an infinite multiverse, which is sourced from Chronos but he only learns about the parallel timelines after his defeat.

Spoiler: Spoilers to ending and detail about timelines

So Melinoë enhances Hades' spear with the Dissolution of Time spell to permanently destroy Chronos, which will create a time paradox and return the world to a primordial timeless state.

Moros "Chronos fell to you once more, that much I heard. It's an impressive feat, although... you mean to bring him death, yet he is deathless. This seems to be a paradox." Melinoë "That's right. Mortal death is not the end, but mortals often think it is. When we say {#Emph}Death to Chronos{#Prev}, we mean it in that absolute way. As impossible as it may seem." Moros "So then, to vanquish him must be at least a step toward that end. What shall become of everything if you succeed and Time is truly killed? A world without Time..." Melinoë "...A world without ruin and decay; our world existed before Time and can exist without." Moros "Another paradox, yet one that must be true." --- Zagreus "Would I be speaking to you if that were the case? Here's the arrangement: Either take pity on your grandchildren... or take this spear repeatedly. And you won't soon recuperate, I swear. Which is it going to be?" Chronos "...You, who threaten me with annihilation, have not experienced a world without Time. You would come to dearly miss my influence! Nor would my pity do you any good... how exactly would you see it manifest?" Zagreus "Oh I don't know, perhaps just by being our grandfather, rather than sneaking underneath the House in some sort of profane chamber I ought have known about? You're Time. Why don't you extrapolate a bit?" }, Chronos "Extrapolate what... a joy-filled life in which Grandfather Time is there to coddle the spoiled children of my rancorous son? Hades shall drive that accursed spear through me on sight if you do not!"

Zagreus convinces Chronos to look into a timeline where he reconciles with his family. Chronos regrets his actions after seeing how happy he was in that vision.

But turns out that the unredeemed Chronos and post-destruction Typhon still exist out of time in innumerable possibilities where they are still trying to destroy Mount Olympus, and if they succeed the flow of time will divert from the one in which Chronos is redeemed. So the redeemed Chronos sends Melinoë to these possibilities to repeatedly defeat Typhon and the other Chronos.

Storyteller "The storm of Typhon, which no longer plagues Olympus, once again engulfs the Princess of the Dead... for there are possibilities in which the Father of All Monsters lives." --- Storyteller "So many different possibilities exist in which the Princess of the Dead prevails or fails... and this is but one more. Certainly, no two such possibilities are quite alike; nor ever have occurred before, nor ever again shall..." --- Storyteller "Thus did Melinoë, the Unseen Princess of the Underworld, prevent the very possibility that Time could turn so cruelly against the gods again..." "At least one possibility, of which there may be many, many more. For Time flows like a river, and its passage and its currents take strange turns." "The Princess never did see the true House of Hades again; not on this night at least. But it is still entirely a mess from all which the Titan wrought, so she did not miss much." "The Princess never did return to the Palace of Zeus; not on this night at least. And neither did she truly mind, because the air and light up there were not quite to her taste." "Once more has the fierce Princess of the Underworld ensured that time flows freely forth; and in so doing, vanquished a foul remnant of her foe." "The work itself can be quite rigorous, having to cross to other possibilities out of the singular reality we know. Thus the Princess now feels ready for a nap." "A figment of the monstrous Typhon is destroyed, yet none perhaps shall know of it, save for the Princess of the Dead and her grandfather, Time. And you, and I, and whosoever else shall hear my tale, I suppose..." "The only Time that we experience is now. We have the Princess of the Dead to thank for it, through all her tireless endeavors, such as what transpired on this very night." --- Chaos "I sensed a faint trace of the being you called Typhon once again, then it was gone. Perhaps a current emanating from the river you called Time, and you found a way to put a stop to it. One fewer possibility, yet there are many more." --- Chaos "The summit of Olympus, beyond Time..." --- Chaos "You reached your father's residence then disappeared, becoming undetectable to me. This was the work of Chronos, was it not? A transference into another realm of possibility, which you attempted to shut from the inside out..." --- Apollo "Even though your mother and father are back, you can't just stroll down to the bottom of the Underworld, can you? Finding remnants of Chronos means re-creating the conditions in which you faced him before, something like that...?" --- Zeus "We could have scoured all our surface foes by now, but Chronos claims they're needed still; that you must face them as you previously did to draw out remnant possibilities of Typhon to destroy. As long as you are willing, Niece..." --- Zeus "Do pardon our continued bickering, Melinoë! I merely wish to offer that your efforts would be better spent dispelling remnants of the Father of All Monsters, rather than the possibility of Chronos in the Underworld, as good Queen Hera thinks. All families must squabble as we do!" --- Chronos "Oh down in Oceanus, it is possible you may encounter remnants of my spell, which casts you to a vision out of time. I've not yet found the means to stop that one..." Melinoë "You have no control over your own magick? I wondered whether that was you, or one of your less agreeable selves." Chronos "I cannot rightly deny all responsibility, but it is one of those, yes. And your susceptibility, why... perhaps it is some connection which we share. Resistances and sensitivities..." --- Chronos "Good, you are here at last! Now that you faithfully re-traced your path, I ought be able to manipulate the course of time such that you find yourself within the House whilst a remnant self of mine sits on your father's throne. Ready?" Melinoë "No, not yet. What shall happen if I prevail, let alone fail? Are you certain any of this shall even work?" Chronos "Well I am relatively certain, yes! The visions I can conjure up of Asphodel; the principle of this is much the same! And you have likewise demonstrated aptitude at breaking free of temporal restraints." Melinoë "So I'm to enter the House exactly as before, and deal with this remnant Chronos as I have in the past... then you shall do the rest?" Chronos "Exactly so. First I shall create a shift whilst you enter, then you do as you must with the wrong-headed version of me in there! We shall be rid of the mere possibility of him!" Melinoë "All right, then... off I go!" --- Chronos "Good, you are here at last! Now that you faithfully re-traced your path, I ought be able to manipulate the course of time such that you find yourself within the House whilst a remnant self of mine sits on your father's throne. Ready?" Melinoë "Not quite. Shall this go much like on the summit of Olympus? The way you conjured up a vision of a time that could have been... " }, Chronos "Well I certainly believe this ought transpire as you say! Of course, that which awaits within shall perhaps be a little different in each instance that we venture thus..." }, Melinoë "Very well then." --- Chronos "All right, my girl, this shall unfold exactly as before! You leap into the river, I ensure you end up in the proper stream." --- Chronos "Ah, there you are, my girl. As you have faithfully re-traced your path, now I in turn may shift you to a different sort of time in which a remnant of the monstrous Typhon yet looms large over this very place. Ready?" --- Hecate "So is it working out thus far? This change of plan, as our Tactician would say. Should you see even the slightest trace of the old Chronos, do notify me at once." Melinoë "Grandfather appeared where and when we discussed. His claims about these remnant possibilities out of Time appear to be accurate. Shall we continue?" --- Icarus "Not been as stormy on this mountain anymore, but is your family {#Emph}really {#Prev}going to tolerate all these Satyrs and things continuing to desecrate their home? Seems unlike them..." Melinoë "They're leading me to Typhon, Icarus... some scattered remnant of him beyond time. We're working with Grandfather on a cleanup effort, you could say." Icarus "Grandfather, y-you mean bloody Chronos? And, you're saying Typhon still exists? What happened to him being gone, I mean, I've seen no sign of him. This must be one of those things that's beyond mortal understanding, hey?" Melinoë "I don't yet entirely understand it either... there's a lot we don't know about time and how it works, though we're learning, slowly." Icarus "Don't see what's so complicated about it. Time drags on when things are bad, goes too quick when things are good. Though I'm still learning how to deal with that myself." --- Odysseus "Is Typhon really up there on the summit still? Hm, no trace of him in our reports, but if Chronos... erm, your grandfather, that is... if he's using some sort of chronomancy to transport you..." Melinoë "He is, yes. And I end up confronting Typhon as before. Apparently these are possibilities within the flow of time in which I haven't prevailed... until I do." Odysseus "I don't see how that's possible. What, there are all these other instances of you out there, some failing, some prevailing, all at the same time? Nonsense... but then again, who am I to question bizarre plans?" --- Chronos "...To think the task of vanquishing me almost fell to you! I am most fortunate that it did not, for I could not have easily resisted Retribution Incarnate; I cannot imagine who could!" Nemesis "Me neither, so don't try anything around here. And if you and the Princess need another helping hand cleaning up after yourself, let me know. Been wanting to pitch in." Chronos "Then you have heard about the nature of our present course? There are so many possibilities which must be ruled out one by one. If you are truly willing to assist in this..." Nemesis "Might as well. Set my mind to it a while back, and can get all the way to Tartarus, just not inside the House." --- Nemesis "Heard you snuffed another Typhon out last night. Well done, Princess. Things are handled in the Underworld, too, when it comes to time flowing freely forth and all that." Melinoë "Things are handled in the Underworld, how? Wait, you've been speaking with Grandfather Chronos, haven't you? Which means... no..." Nemesis "Your grandfather did what you never could, and got me in the House of Hades. A remnant one of them, containing the old Chronos we were after all along. And I got him." Melinoë "You got him? Vanquished Chronos on your very first attempt? Impossible... even if you did prevail you'd most likely end up trapped for all eternity in a temporal rift..." Nemesis "Go ask your grandfather yourself sometime." Melinoë "You're serious...!" --- Melinoë "Grandfather, Nemesis mentioned that she may have encountered you in Tartarus. How did that go?" }, Chronos "Oh, very well, indeed! I had presumed that only you would have capacity to face unwanted traces of myself, but as it happens, so can Nemesis! And she is very strong." Melinoë "So she was serious! She confronted one of those traces with your aid, and was able to prevail? What, did she hack him to bits with the Stygian Blade?" }, Chronos "Well I prefer not to describe the details, but... she used effective means. This must be possible only because she was so near your path before!" Melinoë "She truly did it..." --- Melinoë "You really did eliminate one of the Chronos remnants, Grandfather confirmed. That's... {#Emph}amazing{#Prev}, Nemesis. So then, if I focus my efforts on the Typhon remnants on Olympus..." Nemesis "...I can deal with the Chronos remnants in the Underworld. Was planning on keeping that up no matter what. Hecate even gave me the all-clear." Melinoë "Just, unbelievable. Though I still do reserve the right to deal with Chronos remnants on my own. If nothing else, that route gives me an opportunity to see my family." Nemesis "Knock yourself out. I get the impression there are more than enough of those potential Chronos remnants out there for the both of us." Melinoë "Well let's go get them." Nemesis "Let's." --- Melinoë "Headmistress, each night I confront these remnants of old Chronos or Typhon. Such possibilities apparently are both real and innumerable, representing so many scenarios in which, for one reason or another, I failed..." Hecate "Or merely have yet to succeed. I stand as living proof that you are not alone in what you aim to accomplish, Melinoë." Melinoë "What are you saying, that there are others like you... like me? Attempting to achieve the same result?" Hecate "I merely ask you to consider how the efforts you go to, the lengths you go to, may reverberate. The energy we put into this world comes back to us. Simply put, I am only here because you are." --- Chaos "I have one further inquiry concerning what transpired in your father's House. Chronos conceded in his war, you said, yet you continue fighting battles as before. Why is that so? Respond." Melinoë "Almighty Chaos, Chronos can explain it far better than I, but Time is like a river seeking to flow freely forth. Yet it can be obstructed and change course disastrously. Essentially, I'm having to re-trace some of my steps to prevent that." Chaos "As one who dwells in possibility, I understand. Preventing infinite possibilities, however remote they may be, shall take some time. But Chronos must be well aware of that. I shall look forward to the outcome of this new endeavor." --- Chronos "...Now do you see, my son? Although the Typhon with whom you already clashed is gone, there could have been certain circumstances under which he remained. One fewer now, of course!" Zeus "And how many of these circumstances are there, would you say, Father? For we cannot expect Melinoë to battle to our mountaintop for all eternity..." Hera "Speaking of which, welcome again, my dear! We were just having ourselves a bit of a chat with your grandfather. We've not decided what to do with him as yet, you see." Chronos "Oh, hello, Granddaughter! I had assured the King and Queen that you would be victorious again, for you had been victorious before! Thank you for validating my theories." Melinoë "Oh, you're welcome. King Zeus, Queen Hera... I can attest these possibilities of Typhon do appear to exist, having just found one with Grandfather's assistance and eradicated it." Chronos "Typhon is closer to a Shade of himself now. The possibility of his dominion over Olympus has grown faint, and fainter still with each of your successes. But how many are required, I unfortunately cannot calculate..." Hera "And why not? Perhaps if we persuaded you sufficiently, Titan, you'd be inclined to answer in a more-straightforward way." Chronos "I have but recently learned of these possibilities myself. Time is flowing freely forth, for the most part; my granddaughter merely can ensure that there are no obstructions of concern, at her convenience of course." Melinoë "And I would see to that, however long it takes. By your leave, of course, O King and Queen. I ask that you permit Grandfather to carry on. Thus far he's been true to his word." --- Melinoë "And for that matter, all eternity to locate the Three Fates. Still no sign of them at all, even with Nyx's aid?" Chronos "None. I cast them into the abyss... had I but known precisely where, they would have known how to get back. Yet if my hypothesis about other such possibilities as I experienced is correct... we may find them." Melinoë "This hypothesis of yours about the flow of Time... you're certain we need to keep conditions similar to how they've been to verify it?" Chronos "Why, yes! That is the only way to test a theory properly. For it seems that my own understanding of the flow of Time was flawed..." --- Melinoë "One thing I've wondered, Grandfather... for all these possibilities we face... I understand what happens if I prevail, more or less. But if I fail there, what then?" Chronos "Why, the possibility remains... nothing more! Do not concern yourself with that too much. We know there are a lot of these to go around! You may not prevail in them all." Melinoë "Will I have other chances to correct my mistakes? Return to the same possibility and clear it up?" Chronos "I do not know! Perhaps not! Perhaps even your failures, as you call them, shall have the desired result. There is much I do not fully understand... embarrassing as that may be."

Not sure if others beside Chaos scale, but it seems a couple of characters have passive multiversal acausality. Chronos is initially unaware of the multiverse, but this can be explained by the Fates who became absence; they force a single outcome, which is why Chronos made sure to get rid of them early.

Melinoë "So what have you done with the Three Fates? You would incur the wrath of all chthonic gods, as though the wrath of all Olympus weren't enough..." }, Chronos "Oh, I banished them! Where, I cannot say, or when. In any event, they trouble us no longer, with their manipulative weavings. No, what happens now... is entirely up to us."

On that note, Chaos' trials is him viewing one of infinite possibilities. After the trial ends "Reality Restored" is displayed, and Hecate states that each possibility is most likely an existent realities.

Chaos "You have restored the standing-stone where you reside, and now can see the possibilities within. Should you assist me in exploring my ability to determine outcomes like the Fates themselves, I shall make it worth your while." --- Hecate "You've a particular objective to achieve here, haven't you? Seen what must be done within the facets of the Pitch-Black Stone." }, Melinoë "A trial, on top of a trial. This is one of the infinite possibilities that Chaos anticipated. I chose this path, but... it was already there for me to find." --- Hecate "That Pitch-Black Stone in our training grounds... I've sensed it ever since your incantation. The subtle influence of Chaos on this realm." Melinoë "Our goals are intertwined. When I gaze upon the Stone, I begin to see different paths and possibilities in every facet. Some leading closer to our victory." Hecate "Those paths and possibilities are real, like as not; as are the splendors that await, should you indulge our primordial benefactor. There always is uncertainty where Chaos is concerned... yet I trust that Nyx's parent is an ally, not a threat."

It is stated multiple times that Chaos represents infinite possibilities:

Chaos "Of infinite possibilities, this was your choice." --- Melinoë "Shall we go again, Frinos? Perhaps we're dealing with infinite possibilities." --- Melinoë "Infinite possibilities..." "The depths of Chaos..."

There is also a feat from Poseidon in Hades 2. He created the Rift of Thessaly, which extends from the port of Ephyra to Mount Olympus:

Aphrodite "Ahh, you've reached the rift that thoughtful Lord Poseidon slashed across our pretty countryside... enabling our foes to mass against us even faster than they could on foot! Just, hurry over, hm?" --- Demeter "That Rift of Thessaly could easily be turned to ice, you know. I'd like to see the enemy's fleet sail across it then! But I am told we have to cool it with the cataclysms for a while... mortals and their begging." --- Hermes "If only I could whisk you clear across the sea-rift that Poseidon carved out. But we mustn't get spotted working too closely together. And besides, you're helping us with every deck you swab! So cheers!" --- Poseidon "I promised I would close that Rift of Thessaly right up as soon as our war ended, but! Apparently we need for everything to be the way it was in order for your sorcery to work. Sounds like a promise I shall have to break!" --- Apollo "You must be in the city of Ephyra to the west, a staging ground for our enemies... with the Underworld gates thrown open, Chronos can replenish his forces faster than we can kill them off." --- Storyteller "The monster called Charybdis marked the doom of many unsuspecting ships, and in its ancient terror, now despoils the sea-filled rift that has been slashed across the land." --- Melinoë "I see you decided not to act on my prior recommendation, for the good of your flock, whose sheep you often eat. For how much longer do you plan to bar me from the Rift?" Polyphemus "Thinking it might be a while. Got my flock, got my barn, been sleeping better lately... and having to uproot? Settle someplace else? Packing, and unpacking, I don't want any of that." Melinoë "How fortunate you've made yourself such a comfortable arrangement that happens to be right in my blasted way." Polyphemus "Aw, that's just another perk: I even get my nightly exercise." --- Melinoë "From the docks I can find a ship to cross the rift..." --- Melinoë "Warships risen from the depths... all headed for Olympus." --- Melinoë "Beyond this rift, the mountain of the gods..." --- Storyteller "A foul shoreline that should never have existed mars the border of the Rift, beyond which stately Mount Olympus looms, stricken this night by Strife and Fear in turn." Melinoë "The other beach was quite a bit nicer..." --- Artemis "That massive Cyclops Polyphemus... saw him fast asleep the other night! Then {#Emph}you {#Prev}were able to sneak up and incapacitate him, just like that! I stay far downwind of him, myself." Melinoë "I'm tempted to just smile and nod through this one, Artemis, but my dealings with the Cyclops haven't involved much stealth. Though at least I can get past him, at this point." Artemis "And how do you get through the Rift beyond the docks, you swim? You still like doing things the hard way. The only way!" --- Melinoë "Sir, what are you doing in the middle of the Rift of Thessaly. How did you even get here? Although, you must be a powerful swimmer." Heracles "I'm proficient in a wide variety of athletics, since you mention it. Swimming, leaping, striking things with clubs." Melinoë "So this is part of your patrol path? To think my journey could have been even more infested with foes if not for you." Heracles "Much would be different if not for me. Though you're one of the few I've met of late to admit it. Fair voyaging, sister."

There are multiple locations called Ephyra so it is not specific, how it is to the west of Mount Olympus and has a port to its east in the direction of Mount Olympus. There doesn't seem to be a large body of water that warrants a port to the west of Greece and Thessaly is landlocked to the west, so the rift can genuinely cut from the western shores of Greece to Mount Olympus, since you can travel by ship from Ephyra to Mount Olympus.

With the release of the full game now it seems like a whole new realm of "possibilities" exist lol. They exist beyond what Chaos can detect (and Chaos can normally detect everything, except the exact happenings in the house of hades during the first game because of Nyx's "influence".), as well as beyond Prometheus's precognition.

There's also a strange void space that seems separate from Chaos (maybe I'm just illiterate and missed something). It's the place where the Fates were "lost" and where Moros meets you to bone. I remember some passing dialogue with Aphrodite where she says she was just barely able to detect the love that transpires within that void, which implies she can detect all love everywhere, apparently.

Chaos does say that his senses in the surface is limited, and he does not want omniscience as he prefers to think about the possibilities.

Chaos "You have traveled recently beyond my senses, Son of Hades. I persist here only in the fathomless depths. I know what lies out there, having created it. But I know nothing of what it is like, right now. Do not tell me. I prefer to think of all the possibilities." --- Chaos "Recently I found myself unable to detect you much at all, and deduced that you must have completed your forbidden incantation. Thus the surface is laid bare to you. Perhaps I shall ask you to describe it to me sometime." --- Chaos "You have been exploring the surface of this world, where my influence is comparatively limited. I was amused to consider the possibilities, though I did anticipate you would return." --- Chaos "When you return to shadow, I briefly sense your presence in the infinite abyss. So I have seen that the servant of the Three Fates found you in that hidden place. He relayed to you a secret, did he not? Respond." Melinoë "You mean Moros. His secret was about the surface... about how I can survive up there. I know this goes against the Fates' designs, but Olympus needs me." }, Chaos "I see. As you may know, I am uninterested in the Fates having undue influence. Perhaps you may find a catalyst here for this incantation. Whether they like it or not."

Though after getting motivated Chaos later learned how to sense the surface:

Chaos "Your ability to reach beyond the boundaries that the Fates placed upon you proved inspiring to me. After some consideration, I discovered how to call upon you even from the surface of this world. I find it rather interesting there." --- Chaos "Perhaps I ought to start over again: That is what I think when I observe all that has transpired on the surface of this world. Eventually I expect I shall, though for now, I permit my offspring to continue to multiply and interact as they will."

Prometheus did foresee that the Fates would decide to give mortals more autonomy, which is why he pretended to be on the side of Chronos to steer events toward that outcome.

The void is described as the chasm from which all creation sprang, and Chaos informed Chronos about the Fates' original location, and like the first meeting of Moros finding the Fates requires Melinoë dying. So it doesn't seem distinct from the realm of Chaos.

Moros "How fares your effort to cleanse all of the disorder Chronos wrought? I trust this new task doesn't fall solely to you." Melinoë "Oh, everybody's pitching in, even Chronos... my grandfather. You heard what happened to him, right? His new self seems more tolerable than before." Moros "Death to Chronos... to his old self. I don't know how you managed it, Princess. Perhaps not even my sisters could know such a thing, wherever they may be." Melinoë "We ought to find where they've been exiled, and I don't think Chronos can simply tell us. What about you, perhaps enough has changed that you can locate them somehow?" Moros "I often search the void where you and I first met, since the Fates would sometimes go there, too. But it's a vast place..." --- Melinoë "When you and I first met, you were searching for the Fates. But you discovered me among the shadows. I can navigate back to the Crossroads that way... but you can go farther?" Moros "I can, yes. I'm from the deepest reaches of the Underworld, where there exists no light at all. The chasm from which all creation sprang a while back." Melinoë "I suppose even if one knew the Fates resided in such a place, they might still prove difficult to find..." }, Moros "Difficult, though not impossible, as we now know..."

Aphrodite did mention she is being discreet with her love with Moros, but doesn't mention a specific realm:

Aphrodite "I must say, you and Doom have been extraordinarily discreet in whatever you have going on. My little birdies have seen barely a trace of it! But I still have a feeling about you two, and my feelings are never wrong."

 

[Laxxius]

fascinating lore drops everywhere, gotta update the profiles

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

is there a statement on the cast being comparable to Helios / Hermes?

Demeter and Poseidon should be easy enough to prove

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

is there a statement on the cast being comparable to Helios / Hermes?

Demeter and Poseidon should be easy enough to prove

Poseidon claims to be equal to Hermes in speed.
Hermes says Poseidon is not in his prime so he can't match him.
Hermes says he is faster than Artemis but acknowledges she is pretty fast.

Poseidon "Nephew, how is it you're navigating your cruel father's realm at such a blinding speed?! There's only one Olympian who moves that quick! Besides myself! Where is he, anyway?" --- Hermes "Want to bring you in on something, boss. Reason that Uncle Poseidon got to you before I did is, I let him. He's under the impression he's as spry as ever! Hah!" --- Hermes "Did Artemis manage to locate you already, boss? She's pretty good at that, I have to say. I'm faster! But she's fast, she's pretty fast, all right."

For, Melinoë:
Hermes says her speed runs can almost match his.
Poseidon says her speed would make Hermes envious, and compares her combat abilities to Artemis.

Hermes "Keeping track of your best time, that's what I like to see! Take anything worth doing, then do it just as well a little faster, and a little faster, and soon, you'll be like me! Almost!" --- Poseidon "Whoa, my niece, you seem possessed of an uncanny haste! Such swiftness as to be the envy of that rascal Hermes, who as per usual is nowhere to be found. Some messenger he is!" --- Poseidon "Whaa—! So precisely did you dispatch your foes that I near mistook you for independent Artemis, my niece! I've no idea where that rascal is!"

---

Not many statement about Helios, but Titans are killable/sealable, and he operates a chariot similar to Selene.
Apollo says that Helios would be lost without his light.

Apollo "It's complicated who owns what up here. You know Helios the Sun? He's back to tramping across the sky in his chariot like nothing's changed, but he'd be lost without my light! Eugh, Titans. What can you do?"

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

I suppose it'd be wondering if Helios is either just as strong or much stronger than other Titans. Hyperion was pulverized under the Twin Fists, but I don't think we know how he compares to Helios

Do we have explicit confirmation Selene moves the moon with her chariot? I think it's at least inferable, but something direct would be ideal

 

[azontr]

Do we have explicit confirmation Selene moves the moon with her chariot?

Several implications, but this is a more direct one.

"Nyx spoke highly of your brother to me, little star. I too am distant from my brother Helios, the Sun. Sometimes I slow my steeds to catch a glimpse of him as he engulfs the surface. I do not think we would have much to talk about."

Helios' rise being synonymous with the sun's rising should mean that Selene is the same for the moon.

 

[Crabwhale]

I wanted to give a review of this but my message got eateded. I'll get to it eventually.

I haven't forgotten about this but life has been busy. Also it's really hard trying to navigate this thread while not wanting too many spoilers on Hades 2 lol

 

[DavidTPPM]

New actually strong 4-C characters? I used to pray for times like these

Is there a lack of strong 4Cs? I thought the opposite was the case ngl

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Is there a lack of strong 4Cs? I thought the opposite was the case ngl

Loads of them have either 0 scans or meh abilities

 

[DavidTPPM]

Loads of them have either 0 scans or meh abilities

That's why Satan is the goat frfr

Although technically he got upgraded to about baseline H4C not just 4C ig

Anyway I always thought there's a good amount ofc strong characters there since even just 4C has almost 600 characters and H4C has another 700

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That's why Satan is the goat frfr

Although technically he got upgraded to about baseline H4C not just 4C ig

Anyway I always thought there's a good amount ofc strong characters there since even just 4C has almost 600 characters and H4C has another 700

Ninjago, DMC, HSR, GOH and Gumball (if we can really count it) are mostly the main verses with the strongest 4-C dudes tbh

 

[Crabwhale]

I have returned from my sojourn of playing Hades Bloo.