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While DIO is stronger in terms of power, Amakasu has a shit ton of hax, some of which where he just summon people to attack his enemy. Even through speed equalizing, Amakasu has causality manipulation to the point of arriving before going and attacking, and I'm sure that would be enough for DIO city block level durability.

Not sure if this is a stomp, but Amakasu wins.
 
amakasu also can simply get info on dio and know what to do tbh. also non coporeal via being a dream is a plus
 
Dio throws his steam roller.

By the way im think using causality manip on a acasual is not a good ideia if you ask me Vizorus.
 
it's just to travel and do things axl afaik. then again like I said rosei are dreams so idk if dio can hit and not to mention he can get info so yeah...he will know how to take dio out with said info
 
Stands are non corporeal and can affect non corporeal beings like spirits or ghosts wich ones cannot eveen perceive then.

How does he get info on him?
 
>Stands are non-corporeal

Tell that to Emperor (aka a gun), the power tower, the car, etc.
 
All of then you just mentioned are also non corporeal because of the basic stand rules of the verse.
 
Axl233 said:
All of then you just mentioned are also non corporeal because of the basic stans rules of the verse.
...

You know that the "basic stand rules" are broken several times, right?
 
Pretty sure that the gun is invisible tho, is just that is not really a ghost punching like majority of stands are.

Just giving my input,not voting
 
What im mean is that im know what you talking about there a some instances of that rule not happening like that time when Jolyne stabbed underworld with a knife or that time were oasis punched guido'stand the reason for that is that araki usually forgots things that he did in other parts and end up not bringing then up later,so yeah author mistakes.
 
Axl233 said:
Stands are non corporeal and can affect non corporeal beings like spirits or ghosts wich ones cannot eveen perceive then.

How does he get info on him?
Rosei can read info from all time (past, present and future) basically so he would know about DIO at that instant
 
HAD usually starts with Mind Manipulation or Reality Override (sometimes even Soul Manipulation but that was once) and Amakasu doesn't resist Mind Manipulation
 
Rosei can read info from all time (past, present and future) basically so he would know about DIO at that instant

Can acasuality prevent that?
 
Genericstickman said:
HAD usually starts with Mind Manipulation or Reality Override (sometimes even Soul Manipulation but that was once) and Amakasu doesn't resist Mind Manipulation
His will alone can resist Kuubou and Shinno's shit. And his will is strong enough to overpower a 2-B conciousness. So he resists that via sheer will.
 
Rosei can read info from all time (past, present and future) basically so he would know about DIO at that instant

Can acasuality prevent that?

Nope. DIO still existing in time, acausality just means that he isn'r affected by causality at all.
 
Genericstickman said:
HAD usually starts with Mind Manipulation or Reality Override (sometimes even Soul Manipulation but that was once) and Amakasu doesn't resist Mind Manipulation
his will alone overpowered the alaya which is a 2-B being and @axl it just if he attacks like GER with causality it won't work but the rest is fair game i suspect
 
Hmm, dunno why Red thinks it's just through will

Is the latter like you said Monarch
 
Amakasu has mixed feats of mind resistance via both will and...mind resistance

Plus scaling exists, and he's comparable if not above Hiiragi Seijuurou to also resists Yurika mindhax
 
Question

If a gun is stated to have conceptual destructive power (The gun was also made through metaphysical power), is that fine enough to have conceptual damage on it or nah?
 
Just "conceptual destructive power"?

Under that wording, I don't think it would damage the concept, but it might apply the concept of destruction to what it hits.

And didn't Hiragii resist Yurika via willpower as well?
 
Yeah just conceptual destructive power. They don't mention what it hits but they mention this comes from the Cancel Dream, Ruin Type which is used to erase one existence but i'm rather iffy about it being conceptual erasure
 
Rosei can read info from all time (past, present and future) basically so he would know about DIO at that instant

Can acasuality prevent that?

Nope. DIO still existing in time, acausality just means that he isn'r affected by causality at all.

But im thought that acasuality gives you straight resistence to precog because of the actions that you did in your life doesnt matter so he cannot see his past.
 
Also Masahiko doesnt have resistence to time stop and his mindhax resistence is not enough to tank Dio's.

Its looking really bad for Banzai boy here.
 
Alrigth then.

How does he fight in character?does he open with his 2B attack or his other hacks?
 
Axl233 said:
Also Masahiko doesnt have resistence to time stop and his mindhax resistence is not enough to tank Dio's.
Its looking really bad for Banzai boy here.
unless Dio's mindhax can manipulate minds on a 2-B scale, Amakasu lol nopes.

>No resistance to time stop


>Runs fast enough to go beyond time and destroy causality
 
unless Dio's mindhax can manipulate minds on a 2-B scale, Amakasu lol nopes.

>No resistance to time stop


>Runs fast enough to go beyond time and destroy causality

Dio mind hax is 2A.

Oh sorry,im did not saw that immensurable speed.
 
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