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How do High 1-A+ type 1 realms exactly work? Like I get type 2 being a logical space, but what would type 1 be?
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h1a+ question
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If High 1-A+ Type 2 is a sandbox, then High 1-A+ Type 1 is being able to do absolutely anything within the confines of the sandbox.
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Unironically we might see Type 1 Realm if Nova's thread flies
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I don't believe there exist "H1-A+ Type 1 Realms" in a non-sentient sense anyway, but to be H1-A+ is to be able to actualize all states of affairs which is to say "turn" them into fact. What is meant by a state of affair is a "collection of" objects, wherein an object is that which intrinsically participates in the possibilities open to it, e.g. purple has the possibilities of being predicated of a lamp, but cannot be prescribed to say, a number.
You can think of it as analogous to a set of bulbs. A bulb is a state of affairs, the wires which compose the bulb (some of which are incompatible with one another) are objects and when the bulb is lit it is present to the eye (is in the world). A being who would be H1-A+ Type 1, then, is able to activated all bulbs making them bring about light.
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Ye I understand normal high 1-A+ type 1, but from what i’ve heard, there are characters with h1A+ (type 1) existence or realms at that level, (correct me if i’m wrong), which is what I don’t get. Like how would being able to do anything logically possible correspond to a realm/existence? If all logical possibilities steam from that “realm” or your state of existence, wouldn’t that state of existence just be high 1-A+ type 2? May be a dumb question.
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Would really just be anything that grounds the logical space itself.
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It would help if you told me which characters you are talking about.
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He is referring to rtoc, I’m pretty sure
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Nothing specifc, but something like this
The Buddha (World of Darkness)
Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, the Enlightened One, is the founder of Buddhism. The Buddha founded his religion with a sermon entitled "The turning of the Wheel of Law" to five disciples. From this humble beginning grew a religion that would spread from his native home of India all the way to...
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Nah, I have no concurrent plans for h1a+ rtoc at the moment.
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I'm confused, the Buddha isn't High 1-A+ because of some realm, but because of the nature of their own existence.Nothing specifc, but something like this
The Buddha (World of Darkness)
Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, the Enlightened One, is the founder of Buddhism. The Buddha founded his religion with a sermon entitled "The turning of the Wheel of Law" to five disciples. From this humble beginning grew a religion that would spread from his native home of India all the way to...
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I said realm or state of existence.
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You might as well just ask: how does a T0 exist? Because it's a similar answer really--you're just not predicated of qualities the same way objects within logical space are.
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High 1-A+ Type 1 is being able to actualize or effect the things within a logical space.
It's fiction; if a certain level of existence is capable of it, then they're just capable of it. There's no rhyme or reason.
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so would a character using a h1-A+ framework(type 2) to actualize random stuff qualify for high 1-A+ type 1?
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I think I should’ve said High 1-A+ type 1 structures instead of realms, my bad.
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Hm okay thanks
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Noted, thanks
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As long as there are no hard limits, I would say so.
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Tho that'd only be if you transcend the logical space (cough lotm cough), really. If you just embody it or have power over it then there's no real reason to speak of it as such. I mean honestly, a lot of these issues just come about because the VSBW TS isn't radical enough.
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By the way, are h1a+ stuff unchangable? If so, to what extent?
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No, there aren't many hard restrictions to High 1-A+ like there are for Tier 0.
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Ok, that’s probably all my questions, thanks for your time! Oh and do check out my proposal for a regressor’s tale of cultivation when you’re not busy (if you want of course).
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Ngl, I feel h1a+ stuff is harder to prove than tier 0….
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its the same thing, for h1a+ u prove tier 0, then make smth transcend it, so its not unsurpassable, and voilà
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Nobody on the wiki actually knows what H1A+ is. The tier is generationally undefined, especially the relation between Type 1 & 2.
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I mean, it's pretty easy to phrase.
Type 1: Create, destroy, or affect arbitrarily large structures/cosmologies.
Type 2: House any and all arbitrarily large structures/cosmolgies.
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There is a way to reconcile the second type (though I don't believe the wiki follows nor acknowledges that), but the first type is very very unqualified. Implicitly, I believe it's talking about creating any possible world within a singular Logical Space, but that doesn't account for any propositions happening externally to it, nor would it account for the modal scope of the space itself (since they can be very different).
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I believe it can be dismissed as nonsense.
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