H1-A and Existence/Universe

[Whitesquash]

It may sound a bit amateurish but I want to ask out of curiosity.

As for my question:
1: I know that in order for an entity to be h1a, it must completely transcend the 1-a entity and be completely inaccessible, traditional space-time contains all possibilities. As for my question: Can H1-A contain elements like the multiverse but it works completely differently, it is not in the traditional structure we know, it is only used to tell those living in the h1-a entity. It is completely independent of the 1-a entity and is said to be an analogy, does this break the h1-A situation or is it a common situation in fiction?

2- Can a person living in the h1-A entity have more than one version in other universes in h1-A, if there is a version in other universes in the H1-A entity, does this break the h1-A situation or are there different alternatives to prevent this?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Afaik, there's no specific rule that says only 1 entity in any given series can be H1A (that is reserved for tier 0) but I'd run that by someone else who's a bit more knowledgeable on that stuff

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Also, it's not an amateurish question. Don't worry about being ignorant, asking questions and having a scholar mentality is the correct way to go about learning any given subject.

 

[SweetDao]

I know that in order for an entity to be h1a, it must completely transcend the 1-a entity and be completely inaccessible, traditional space-time contains all possibilities.

A bit more complicated than that, but that's not important here.

Can H1-A contain elements like the multiverse but it works completely differently, it is not in the traditional structure we know, it is only used to tell those living in the h1-a entity.

You could have a High 1-A realm EXACTLY like our universe.

It is completely independent of the 1-a entity and is said to be an analogy, does this break the h1-A situation or is it a common situation in fiction?

I'm not sure if I understood your question? If you were just asking "can it be High 1-A", well, everything can with enough context and description in the work.

2- Can a person living in the h1-A entity have more than one version in other universes in h1-A, if there is a version in other universes in the H1-A entity, does this break the h1-A situation or are there different alternatives to prevent this?

When you say "High 1-A entity" you mean a realm or a person? Like a "universe that is High 1-A" or more like " A being that has a universe inside itself that is High 1-A" or something like that? Well, either way, both are fine.

But yeah, you can have "parallel universes" on a High 1-A scale, same with "persons". If that was the question, unsure if I got it right.

 

[Whitesquash]

Also, it's not an amateurish question. Don't worry about being ignorant, asking questions and having a scholar mentality is the correct way to go about learning any given subject

Thanks

 

[Whitesquash]

A bit more complicated than that, but that's not important here.

You could have a High 1-A realm EXACTLY like our universe.

I'm not sure if I understood your question? If you were just asking "can it be High 1-A", well, everything can with enough context and description in the work.

When you say "High 1-A entity" you mean a realm or a person? Like a "universe that is High 1-A" or more like " A being that has a universe inside itself that is High 1-A" or something like that? Well, either way, both are fine.

But yeah, you can have "parallel universes" on a High 1-A scale, same with "persons". If that was the question, unsure if I got it right.

Thank you for your quick response. To clarify, I was referring to the entirety of existence; a fundamental structure beyond 1-A+. In this reality, everything within it; people, plants, abstract concepts; has an essence that is essentially High 1-A. As I was examining the various character profiles, I noticed that beings categorized as High 1-A were often described as existing in a "void" or some other abstract location in a highly mysterious or transcendent realm. Since there are things like multiverses and time travel in the 1-A and sub-profile universes, and High 1-A beings completely transcend all of these, I was concerned that such systems (like multiverses) might contradict or undermine their classification of existence within the High 1-A reality. However, as long as these structures are not "traditional" or bound by lower level metaphysical rules, I don't think their existence should invalidate the nature of the High 1-A reality. High 1-A would mean that the 1-A frameworks are completely transcended and completely inaccessible from their perspective. Is this the case?

 

[SweetDao]

To clarify, I was referring to the entirety of existence; a fundamental structure beyond 1-A+. In this reality, everything within it; people, plants, abstract concepts; has an essence that is essentially High 1-A

Yeah, that much is fine, it's normal.

As I was examining the various character profiles, I noticed that beings categorized as High 1-A were often described as existing in a "void" or some other abstract location in a highly mysterious or transcendent realm.

You don't have to be that thing, although it's how it's often portrayed in fiction. You can be a "regular human" and be High 1-A. (You could say that you're not "regular" since you're High 1-A, but you understand the meaning of my sentence, I'm sure.)

Since there are things like multiverses and time travel in the 1-A and sub-profile universes, and High 1-A beings completely transcend all of these, I was concerned that such systems (like multiverses) might contradict or undermine their classification of existence within the High 1-A reality.

You can have time-travel, multiverse and many other things in 1-A and High 1-A. When 1-A transcend the lower reality, it's above "the concepts of the lower reality", it's always a situation of relationship, a subjective hierarchy. This goes the same with High 1-A. It transcends all concepts from any tier in 1-A, but it can have "similar ones" but to its own degree.

However, as long as these structures are not "traditional" or bound by lower level metaphysical rules, I don't think their existence should invalidate the nature of the High 1-A reality.

Yeah, obviously, as long as no anti-feat exist (a 1-A character affecting a High 1-A character without any context or valid reason, for example) then you're fine.

High 1-A would mean that the 1-A frameworks are completely transcended and completely inaccessible from their perspective. Is this the case?

Yeah, more or less.

 

[Whitesquash]

Yeah, that much is fine, it's normal.

You don't have to be that thing, although it's how it's often portrayed in fiction. You can be a "regular human" and be High 1-A. (You could say that you're not "regular" since you're High 1-A, but you understand the meaning of my sentence, I'm sure.)

You can have time-travel, multiverse and many other things in 1-A and High 1-A. When 1-A transcend the lower reality, it's above "the concepts of the lower reality", it's always a situation of relationship, a subjective hierarchy. This goes the same with High 1-A. It transcends all concepts from any tier in 1-A, but it can have "similar ones" but to its own degree.

Yeah, obviously, as long as no anti-feat exist (a 1-A character affecting a High 1-A character without any context or valid reason, for example) then you're fine.

Yeah, more or less.

Thank you very much for your response, you helped, now I understand the situation

 

[Whitesquash]

Yeah, that much is fine, it's normal.

You don't have to be that thing, although it's how it's often portrayed in fiction. You can be a "regular human" and be High 1-A. (You could say that you're not "regular" since you're High 1-A, but you understand the meaning of my sentence, I'm sure.)

You can have time-travel, multiverse and many other things in 1-A and High 1-A. When 1-A transcend the lower reality, it's above "the concepts of the lower reality", it's always a situation of relationship, a subjective hierarchy. This goes the same with High 1-A. It transcends all concepts from any tier in 1-A, but it can have "similar ones" but to its own degree.

Yeah, obviously, as long as no anti-feat exist (a 1-A character affecting a High 1-A character without any context or valid reason, for example) then you're fine.

Yeah, more or less.

Hi, it's me again. Thank you once again for your previous answers. I currently have a few more questions, and I thought it would be appropriate to ask you.

1: You actually answered this the other day, but there’s still one thing on my mind.

You mentioned that within an H1A existence, there can be multiverses. Can these multiverses be infinite in number? Would an infinite number of multiverses affect the H1A classification?

2:If characters in an H1A existence use something other than speed to move from one place to another, or if a countdown starts while they’re running, is that considered an anti-feat? Because H1A beings are supposed to be beyond time, but based on what we discussed the other day, I guess it’s more about R > F and transcendence. So if it's time within their own universe, does that cause a problem?

3: H1A can consist of many entities, even normal people. But is this also valid for H1A+? Is there a requirement that only one person can be at the top of H1A+, or can there be multiple?

4: Can someone become H1A+ later on?

5: Are abılıtes like (acausality, immeasurable speed, vs.) automatically granted to those who exist within an H1A reality?

6: Are there verses on the wiki where even ordinary people are 1A or H1A?

7: How does the wiki view cases where everyone within a reality is high-tier like H1A?

Thanks again for your time.

 

[SweetDao]

You mentioned that within an H1A existence, there can be multiverses. Can these multiverses be infinite in number? Would an infinite number of multiverses affect the H1A classification?

It's fine.

2:If characters in an H1A existence use something other than speed to move from one place to another, or if a countdown starts while they’re running, is that considered an anti-feat? Because H1A beings are supposed to be beyond time, but based on what we discussed the other day, I guess it’s more about R > F and transcendence. So if it's time within their own universe, does that cause a problem?

They are "beyond time" in the sense that they are above the quality of "time" of the lower realities. You can very well have your "own form" of time in a High 1-A realm.

3: H1A can consist of many entities, even normal people. But is this also valid for H1A+? Is there a requirement that only one person can be at the top of H1A+, or can there be multiple?

I doubt that any High 1-A+ being can be considered "normal humans" at this level. However, yeah, it's possible to have multiples entities being High 1-A+ as long as it's type 1, type 2, as far as I remember, you can only have one.

4: Can someone become H1A+ later on?

Hmmm. If it's type 1, I would be inclined to say it's possible, to some extent. Type 2 I'm almost certain not. (I'm omitting some weird tier 0 interaction here, obviously)

5: Are abılıtes like (acausality, immeasurable speed, vs.) automatically granted to those who exist within an H1A reality?

I mean, technically, logically speaking, they should have it, I'm unsure if we treat it as such on profiles by default if not shown, however. Although in those case, it's not really a matter of "being acausal" or "being immeasurable speed" but more like, being completely above such rating, so yeah, weird stuff.

6: Are there verses on the wiki where even ordinary people are 1A or H1A?

Unsure. I don't know if you consider "Umineko" as "ordinary people" but technically the pieces within the board are, more or less, just "regular humans". (Just need the CRT to pass but they are 1-A at least)

7: How does the wiki view cases where everyone within a reality is high-tier like H1A?

I mean, then everyone would be High 1-A, I don't really understand the problem.

 

[Whitesquash]

I mean, then everyone would be High 1-A, I don't really understand the problem.

What I meant was this: how does our wiki view people who are in a high existence (like H1A), but are just ordinary humans with no superpowers at all? Are such still allowed to be classified as H1A just because of the realm they exist in?

 

[SweetDao]

What I meant was this: how does our wiki view people who are in a high existence (like H1A), but are just ordinary humans with no superpowers at all? Are such still allowed to be classified as H1A just because of the realm they exist in?

I mean, no, if they don't have any notable individuality or enough importance, you'll not just list some random citizen who had a single line of dialogue, for example. If, however, it's someone who's recurring enough or important enough, yeah sure

 

[Whitesquash]

I mean, no, if they don't have any notable individuality or enough importance, you'll not just list some random citizen who had a single line of dialogue, for example. If, however, it's someone who's recurring enough or important enough, yeah sure

Hi, sorry for replying so late, I had some work to do, the last thing I want to ask is plotonic reality 1-a or low 1-a, what does our wiki say to this?

 

[SweetDao]

Hi, sorry for replying so late, I had some work to do, the last thing I want to ask is plotonic reality 1-a or low 1-a, what does our wiki say to this?

We don't scale a name, but assuming you mean "it has all the property of a Platonic concept", then that would be 1-A. Obviously, keep in mind it's always a case-by-case analysis, and it could very well also be Low 1-A.

 

[Whitesquash]

We don't scale a name, but assuming you mean "it has all the property of a Platonic concept", then that would be 1-A. Obviously, keep in mind it's always a case-by-case analysis, and it could very well also be Low 1-A.

Does this meet the requirements? Mordecai says it's not a real place, then the guard noddingly says it's platonic reality, So could someone who destroys this reality be Low 1-A or 1-A?

 

[SweetDao]

Does this meet the requirements? Mordecai says it's not a real place, then the guard noddingly says it's platonic reality, So could someone who destroys this reality be Low 1-A or 1-A?

I don't think so. "Platonic" here is moreso used as a joke because a "platonic relationship" is one without any "real actions".

 

[Whitesquash]

I don't think so. "Platonic" here is moreso used as a joke because a "platonic relationship" is one without any "real actions".

Yes, but they say that reality is platonic, wouldn't that be supporting evidence?

 

[SweetDao]

Yes, but they say that reality is platonic, wouldn't that be supporting evidence?

Not really, again, a name doesn't scale anywhere. If there's no substantial evidence without the name itself, it's worth nothing.

 

[Whitesquash]

Not really, again, a name doesn't scale anywhere. If there's no substantial evidence without the name itself, it's worth nothing.

So what does it take to actually meet it?

 

[Whitesquash]

Not really, again, a name doesn't scale anywhere. If there's no substantial evidence without the name itself, it's worth nothing.

Btw I've asked you before about h1a reality. What would be the level of intelligence of normal people living in this reality?

 

[SweetDao]

So what does it take to actually meet it?

It would need to show to be above space-temporal properties as a whole + independent of reality + completely outside of reality etc, well, the usual stuff for 1-A basically.

Btw I've asked you before about h1a reality. What would be the level of intelligence of normal people living in this reality?

I don't think we give any intelligence rating just because someone is 1-A or above.