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Granolah attack power upgrades
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Oliver_de_jesus
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makes sense, in part that the Heeters thought to betray Frieza before his death iirc
Nullflowerblush
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Abo and Kado aren't even canon.
Nullflowerblush
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Nullflowerblush
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Because they are among the only relevant members of the Frieza Force in the entire franchise. Toyotaro mentioning the two does not automatically mean that the two or their originating special are canonical all of a sudden.
Toyotaro does special end of volume sketches for all sorts of characters, including Bardock's Crew from the original TV special. Does that mean they are canon, too?
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A little confused are we arguing that those Two are canon because if not the statement would be cut and dry that Granola is as strong as the ginyu force on namek
Nullflowerblush
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Granolah, Gas, and the rest of the Heeters are all considered more powerful than the Ginyu Force.
They would be "At least High 5-A" which feels really weird.
They would be "At least High 5-A" which feels really weird.
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I mean hasn't granola prior to his wish already having statements of having like surpassed his race or being the strongest?
It feeling weird doesn't really factor in anything if that's WoG it saying about their power
Gilad_Hyperstar
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That would mean that they'll just scale above Captain Ginyu then. That said, Gas was beaten by Bardock, who is not > Ginyu, decades ago, so that'll mean that the Heeters would have a 5-C key as well back then
Nullflowerblush
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i know they would scale above captain ginyu. that's why i mentioned high 5-a.
Only Gas requires a key for his younger self, considering the rest of the Heeters are not shown in-action forty years ago.
Only Gas requires a key for his younger self, considering the rest of the Heeters are not shown in-action forty years ago.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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That is likely the reason. It's like how the Frieza Force laughed at Trunks for having PL of 5 before he then powered up to SSJ and killed Frieza (among many other examples particularly within the Frieza Force)
Wasn't Gas, even back then, stated to be thr strongest among them?
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So I'm confused about something: should Gas and Granolah be upgraded to High 4-C? Because that's the tier for Ado and Kado. So either another thread is made to debate whether or not the Son Goku special is canon to the manga or the Toeiverse, that statement is ignored and they both just scale above the Ginyu Force instead, or a "possibly" rating is added for both of them.
Nullflowerblush
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yes.
Although, in the likely scenario that its canonicity is ruled out, the statement is ignored and the Ginyu Force comparison takes precedence.
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I'm not very knowledgeable about the site rules, but apparently quotes alone aren't enough to increase a character's rating. At most, add a "possibly".
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To me it works, iirc nothing disqualifies that, but I'm against using Tori Abo and Kado as a reference.
Aside from Toyo not remembering quite well how strong the two were, he's blatantly talking about the manga and uses them and the Ginyu squad to talk about Frieza's elites.
Abo and Kado being canon or not isn't really important at the end of the day, and even then, I think we should consider them as adjusted to manga levels.
Also, Toyo contradicts himself (most likely because, as he said, he doesn't remember them well) since in the OAV Tarble says A&B are equal to Frieza, while here Toyo says the Heeters are below the emperor's power level on Namek.
Aside from Toyo not remembering quite well how strong the two were, he's blatantly talking about the manga and uses them and the Ginyu squad to talk about Frieza's elites.
Abo and Kado being canon or not isn't really important at the end of the day, and even then, I think we should consider them as adjusted to manga levels.
Also, Toyo contradicts himself (most likely because, as he said, he doesn't remember them well) since in the OAV Tarble says A&B are equal to Frieza, while here Toyo says the Heeters are below the emperor's power level on Namek.
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Twitter statements ain't valid bro.
Spinoirr
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Haha just kidding.
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Well its contradictory in the sense that a low level saiyan named bardock would scale to him who along with other saiyans weren't able to counter frieza blast + ginyu force being at elite level in the frieza force would also be contradicted if low class saiyans are at their level. Its doesn't fit in the lore.
Spinoirr
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That was 40 years ago, gas mentioned that he has been training ever sense with his weapons, meaning he is moon level 40 years ago but before the wish in present day he is high 5-A Via being above the ginyu force
That's why I said he should have a 40 years ago key
That's why I said he should have a 40 years ago key
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Ok then I agree
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I get that feeling all-too-well, and had to see some matches I've made get discarded cuz of tier changes.
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DarlingAurora
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I agree
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