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(GRACE) Kashimo VS Yuta (again) (15-11-0)

Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Yeah, absolutely not, ignoring the fact that Life of King’s statement is an entirely baseless assumption, if you’re going to bring up Ryu “one-shotting” Awakened Fully Manifested Rika, for one, he has the highest output of all players in the Culling Games, which intrinsically puts him above Kashimo’s AP. Kashimo’s AP also is virtually nothing to worry about, as he served next to no damage to Hakari (infinite CE doesn’t mean infinite output, and Yuta’s output surges so much that it reduces all damage to a minimum), and needed to consistently aim for Lightning Discharge. Kashimo’s skill is completely unquantifiable. Nor does it matter, as divided attention constantly renders it useless. Nothing stops Rika from simply appearing behind Kashimo, or crushing him with the strength to collapse a bridge.
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Next to no damage is crazy, its like ya didn't read the same manga. Kashimo's hits were making Hakari faint several times and Hakari had to re-roll to undo the damage done. And yes Yuta can keep damage to a minimum when he properly defends, Kashimo is the better fighter, he'll land more hits that Yuta can't properly defend against and get bullied like Hakari did. Kashimo's skill is definitely quantifiable, you might not think it but beating up the guy who Yuta himself deemed worthy enough to help, and who Gojo considered him able to be good as him someday is one example, then we have the obvious fact that Kenjaku sees Yuta, Maki, and Hakari on the same level also alludes to Hakari's skill in comparison to Kashimo's.


Divided attention is something sorcerers deal with on the daily as the manga has shown countless times, its actually where skill determines a lot. Then we have the flashback where Kashimo sat amongst dead bodies, its clear the guy can fight against several opponents at once. I don't know why you guys talk as though it takes Kashimo a long time to get his discharge off, he gets four hits in and he's unleashing a discharge that neither can defend straight to their head which at most Yuta is surviving with half his torso missing while Rika cries and Yuta bleeds out. And just something to think about, huge rct use nerfs sorcerers especially Yuta and like we saw Yuki's ct gets weakened when performing rct.

Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Funny enough, Yuta actually does have long range options, as he can eject ce blasts through his sword, like against Kuroushi, meaning Kashimo getting in as Rika pursues is far harder for him. Kashimo has a wincon in lightning discharge, but it’s sorely unlikely, and he simply gets beaten to death before that happens.
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Kashimo... the guy who can run dozens of meters in seconds, you think closing the distance is gonna be hard for him? Or just dodge weak attacks like that. And the distance is 10m.
IamMadeOutOfStone said:
Both start 10 meters apart from each other
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I'd like to add Yuta can only use CT when Rika is fully manifested so it's 5min time limit. Even in that case he can only use one CT.

Inside the domain he can pick random CT from the swords and he himself still has same limit of 1 CT at a time. Sure hit he fixes one copied CT.

Culling Game Yuta lacks his kit box like Shinjuku Showdown. If he copies Kashimo's CT and he then gets cooked himself
 
Arkenis said:
Next to no damage is crazy, it’s like ya didn't read the same manga. Kashimo's hits were making Hakari faint several times and Hakari had to re-roll to undo the damage done.
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120% Base Hakari. Who only scales to Charles, and a Yuji who wasn’t even fighting back.


Arkenis said:
And yes Yuta can keep damage to a minimum when he properly defends, Kashimo is the better fighter, he'll land more hits that Yuta can't properly defend against and get bullied like Hakari did. Kashimo's skill is definitely quantifiable, you might not think it but beating up the guy who Yuta himself deemed worthy enough to help, and who Gojo considered him able to be good as him someday is one example, then we have the obvious fact that Kenjaku sees Yuta, Maki, and Hakari on the same level also alludes to Hakari's skill in comparison to Kashimo's.
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Hakari is so demonstrably above Kashimo in H2H it’s actually laughable. The moment that, again, he has 8 seconds of power left, and he goes “hard and heavy”, he punches Kashimo 3 times before he can even react, and drives his elbow into his stomach after flipping him over.


Arkenis said:
Divided attention is something sorcerers deal with on the daily as the manga has shown countless times, it’s actually where skill determines a lot. Then we have the flashback where Kashimo sat amongst dead bodies, it’s clear the guy can fight against several opponents at once.
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Do you have anything to suggest that these people were relative to him in strength whatsoever, never mind one of them being immensely bigger, and having the ability to appear from literally nowhere? If not, divided attention can, will, and is Kashimo’s downfall here.

Arkenis said:
I don't know why you guys talk as though it takes Kashimo a long time to get his discharge off, he gets four hits in and he's unleashing a discharge that neither can defend straight to their head which at most Yuta is surviving with half his torso missing while Rika cries and Yuta bleeds out.
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I don’t think he gets that off before Rika grabs him and Yuta stabs him in the throat, so.


Arkenis said:
And just something to think about, huge rct use nerfs sorcerers especially Yuta and like we saw Yuki's ct gets weakened when performing rct.
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Sure, I agree.
Arkenis said:
Kashimo... the guy who can run dozens of meters in seconds, you think closing the distance is gonna be hard for him? Or just dodge weak attacks like that. And the distance is 10m.
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Cool, good luck dodging the combination of ranged attacks from Yuta, and CQC from Rika. The chances of him coming out without a fatal error are slim.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Hakari is so demonstrably above Kashimo in H2H it’s actually laughable. The moment that, again, he has 8 seconds of power left, and he goes “hard and heavy”, he punches Kashimo 3 times before he can even react, and drives his elbow into his stomach after flipping him over.
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Bro is gonna preted that most of the fight didn't happened and use only one scene where Kashimo got hit offguard to say that
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Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Only one person actually even said Yuta just pops Domain.
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Did they provide reasoning? As far as Yuta knows, this person is just another Culling Game player. He didn't do it when he was on the backfoot against Ryu and the naked lady (I'm sorry I don't know her name LOL), and only did it when they themselves did Domain Expansion. The only time when Yuta did Domain Expansion is when he basically blood lusted against
Sukuna
I don't think Yuta is going to be Domain Expansion Gg'ing Kashimo until every other option is exhausted. Also Kashimo has Wicker Basket.

Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Yeah, absolutely not, ignoring the fact that Life of King’s statement is an entirely baseless assumption, if you’re going to bring up Ryu “one-shotting” Awakened Fully Manifested Rika, for one, he has the highest output of all players in the Culling Games, which intrinsically puts him above Kashimo’s AP. Kashimo’s AP also is virtually nothing to worry about, as he served next to no damage to Hakari (infinite CE doesn’t mean infinite output, and Yuta’s output surges so much that it reduces all damage to a minimum), and needed to consistently aim for Lightning Discharge. Kashimo’s skill is completely unquantifiable. Nor does it matter, as divided attention constantly renders it useless. Nothing stops Rika from simply appearing behind Kashimo, or crushing him with the strength to collapse a bridge
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Infinite CE doesn't mean infinite output? Huh? Where are you getting this from? (Genuine question) Doesn't infinite CE mean infinite output because Hakari has infinite CE to use infinite output?

Kashimo could just paralysis Rika or Yuta if the shameless jumping is a problem.
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I don't think Kashimo would have trouble getting Lightning Discharges because it's, well, closer-quarters-combat.

Also yea,
At least Class M (Much stronger than Yuji[Note 1]), higher while using Domain Expansion
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At least Class 5 (Superior to Yuji, who could lift and throw a car and superior to Jiro withstand the weight of the Max Elephant)
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Kashimo genuinely might get his head crushed in by Yuta (Not sure if Rika would be comparable or superior to Yuta's Lifting Strength. I'm going to assume yeah) Is this a mistake or something? When I go to Yuji it doesn't have a scan for Class M.
Class 5 (Could lift and throw a car)
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Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Funny enough, Yuta actually does have long range options, as he can eject ce blasts through his sword, like against Kuroushi, meaning Kashimo getting in as Rika pursues is far harder for him. Kashimo has a wincon in lightning discharge, but it’s sorely unlikely, and he simply gets beaten to death before that happens.
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What panel? I didn't see it when I checked the chapter. Kashimo paralysis Rika with Lightning Discharge.


Lemme catch up on everyone else.

Edit: Caught up.
Anyways, continuing on. As soon as Yuta uses Reversed Curse Technique, he will genuinely aim for the head or gut. Yuta has few options that he can do from there, and even fewer if it were to be reasonable. Unless Rika decides to tank the Sure-Hit effect by getting in it's path, Yuta's head is turning into fried tomato.
 
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Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
120% Base Hakari. Who only scales to Charles, and a Yuji who wasn’t even fighting back.
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That's fine, I just addressed your statement about no damage, which wasn't true. And they are all still in the same tier considering what Kashimo could do throughout the fight.

Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Hakari is so demonstrably above Kashimo in H2H it’s actually laughable. The moment that, again, he has 8 seconds of power left, and he goes “hard and heavy”, he punches Kashimo 3 times before he can even react, and drives his elbow into his stomach after flipping him over.
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That Hakari was getting faster that's why he got the upper-hand.

Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Do you have anything to suggest that these people were relative to him in strength whatsoever, never mind one of them being immensely bigger, and having the ability to appear from literally nowhere? If not, divided attention can, will, and is Kashimo’s downfall here.
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I don't need to show anything like that, I'm already arguing from a point Yuta and Kashimo are relative in strength, with Kashimo only needing a couple hits to get a discharge to end Yuta or Rika. I can admit Yuta and Rika will be able to press him, but so what, I'm not arguing he's gonna win through h2h against them, all he needs is four punches to either and they die from a discharge if not become so severely hurt he'll end it without an issue.

Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
I don’t think he gets that off before Rika grabs him and Yuta stabs him in the throat, so.
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Does Rika have some stealth I'm not aware of? Does Rika consistently spawn in and grab people? No, neither of these are true yet you argue like it is. Yuta enters fights holding back Rika (unless its Sukuna), and engages alone. If anything Rika may come out too late to be of any help in this fight given how long she took against Yuji, Uro & Ryu.

Catbowtie said:
Kashimo genuinely might get his head crushed in by Yuta (Not sure if Rika would be comparable or superior to Yuta's Lifting Strength. I'm going to assume yeah) Is this a mistake or something? When I go to Yuji it doesn't have a scan for Class M.
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Yeah Kashimo should Class M, surprised that wasn't updated but we do only focus on speed and ap as of now for most.
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah Kashimo should Class M, surprised that wasn't updated but we do only focus on speed and ap as of now for most.
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Just so this isn't argued over here, I've made a crt
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JJK - "LS isn't even useful" Kashimo and Hakari LS upgrade

This is done for the Kashimo vs Yuta match but looking now, even Hakari is rated as only Class 5. So there are two LS feats Kashimo and Hakari can scale to. One is from a injured and blood loss Maki Second is from a Sukuna free Yuji There's no reason either should be weaker than a dying...
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off topic,but do anyone seriously consider LS useless?
like,you can simply grab your opponent and pull them apart after you grab them.
 
Homie890 said:
off topic,but do anyone seriously consider LS useless?
like,you can simply grab your opponent and pull them apart after you grab them.
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I really don't know what use it has other than grappling and some fringe cases where a character's Lifting Strength does matter. Such as an ability like Telekinesis where the person can lift X amount of weight. My only idea where LS wouldn't be considered useless is throwing the opponent around the arena, but other than that, I think it's pretty useless.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Still waiting for someone to tell me what sure hit Yuta gonna apply to his Domain which is lethal for Kashimo.
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Yuta could use...what can he even do with his Domain Expansion? Maybe just the Love Beam Rika and he did against Geto? I think that the statistics amplification Yuta gets would be enough, especially with the knowledge that Kashimo can and will aim for his head and stomach.
 
So this is why there's a thread to Upgrade Hakari and Kashimo's Lifting Strength, thought it was out of the blue
 
Catbowtie said:
Yuta could use...what can he even do with his Domain Expansion? Maybe just the Love Beam Rika and he did against Geto? I think that the statistics amplification Yuta gets would be enough, especially with the knowledge that Kashimo can and will aim for his head and stomach.
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That's not a copied technique so he shouldn't be able to. Other CT are non lethal. Domain as a Wincon shouldn't even exist for Cg Yuta.
IamMadeOutOfStone said:
counted and this is actually grace this time, idk how long it lasts though
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Why areYou keep ignoring Kashimo votes again and again and trying to close this thread. In my first comment here, I literally voted for Kashimo, but you counted Zaz's vote who commented recently but not mine. Also, you placed @Catbowtie's vote on Yuta's side yesterday. You didn't count LOK's vote either.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
That's not a copied technique so he shouldn't be able to. Other CT are non lethal. Domain as a Wincon shouldn't even exist for Cg Yuta.

Why areYou keep ignoring Kashimo votes again and again and trying to close this thread. In my first comment here, I literally voted for Kashimo, but you counted Zaz's vote who commented recently but not mine. Also, you placed @Catbowtie's vote on Yuta's side yesterday. You didn't count LOK's vote either.
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yeah sorry, yesterday i was hella sleepy and couldn't read well, i legit readed yuta instead of kashimo, and no i didnt saw your vote my bad on that too
Catbowtie said:
IAmMadeOutOfStone, is English your first language? (Not trying to sound condescending. Genuine question)
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english is my second language
 
Kashimo block or attack, his CE paralyzes Yuta and Rika

If Yuta opens his domain, he will only get the normal benefits while Kashimo will use HWB and fight with feet in case he applies a lethal CT

Kashimo will realize how Yuta's technique works when he uses several, so if Yuta copies his technique, then Yuta is fried and Kashimo would only need to generate distance

Kashimo aims for the head or the stomach, Yuta's reverse technique is not as good as Hakari's (passive), and that's even though Kashimo pushed him to the limit

The discharge is a real wincon for Kashimo

Others have already explained various aspects of the battle

So I vote for the Farmer Extreme Diff
 
First things first, Kashimo has the stat advantage as he is generally depicted as the strongest of the Edo era the same as Gojo and Sukuna were the strongest of the modern and Heian eras. Additionally, an old Kashimo did not believe that Ryu could give him a satisfying fight when Kenjaku brought him up (the raw text reads something along the lines of "its dubious").
Yuta~Ryu<Old Kashimo<Kashimo
To sum it up:
Yuta<<Kashimo
People might bring up his scaling to Hakari to which I would respond with: When is Yuta ever stated to be relative with Jackpot Hakari? He's portrayed as relative in Shinjuku, but he trained in between then and the Sendai arc.
As for Rika, all she will do is give Kashimo an opportunity to build up charge easier. Yuta doesn't have knowledge of the lightning bolt and won't even start with Rika unless he already knew about it, and he DEFINETLY won't use Domain Expansion until after the lightning bolt comes out, i.e after the fight is over
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
If Yuta opens his domain, he will only get the normal benefits while Kashimo will use HWB and fight with feet in case he applies a lethal CT
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Yuta doesn't have any lethal sure hits in Culling Game as far as I remember.
Oliver_de_jesus said:
Kashimo will realize how Yuta's technique works when he uses several, so if Yuta copies his technique, then Yuta is fried and Kashimo would only need to generate distance
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Yuta has many limitations with his copy technique. He can only fight for 5 minutes when Rika is fully manifested outside the domain with his copy technique, and he can only use one technique at a time, which is a big drawback for Yuta.

Surviving against Yuta for 5 minutes shouldn't be a problem, I guess, considering he survived against Hakari for more than 5 minutes. When Rika isn't fully manifested, Yuta can't use the copy technique. Also, Rika is slower than Yuta in combat speed. Given that Kashimo is experienced in CQC, he should be able to handle a 2 vs. 1 situation.

Moreover, this version of Yuta wouldn't opt for a Domain Expansion if his opponents doesn't try to use it. His cursed energy control also isn't great, so he obviously won't last much longer with his efficiency.
 
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