Goku vs Zeus

[Cropfist]

Rematch after the Greek Mythology upgrades. Buu Saga Goku and use Greek Zeus' high end. Speed equalized and Goku is bloodlusted. Zeus does not have control of the Moirae Sisters.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Zeus turns Goku into a tree with his speed advantage. While Goku is likely stronger, Zeus in character just transmutes those who annoy him. At worst, he chucks a few lightning bolts first.

 

[LTB2000]

Zeus turns Goku into a tree with his speed advantage. While Goku is likely stronger, Zeus in character just transmutes those who annoy him. At worst, he chucks a few lightning bolts first.

Speed is equalized. Goku can take this since he has the edge in AP and durability. Weather manipulation won't work against someone who can blow all the elements away from him by powering up. And he's resistant to lightning.

 

[Jucaslucas]

That really doesn't help against transmutation. Zeus can just turn him into a cockroach.

 

[LTB2000]

And goku can solar flare him in the eyes to stop him from doing that.

 

[Jucaslucas]

He won't be able to do that after being turned into a cockroach.

 

[LTB2000]

They both have equalized speed, I think goku can react in time.

 

[LTB2000]

Also, remember what happened to vegito when he turned into candy? He was still fighting, which means if your stronger than whoever your fighting, then transmutation won't affect you that much. Goku is clearly stronger than zeus, so I'm pretty sure he can still keep all of his powers even if he turned into a cockroach.

 

[Jucaslucas]

Battle starts:

>Goku uses solar flare.

>At the same time, Zeus turns him into an ant.

Zeus is blinded, Goku is a small and defenceless animal.

Guess who wins?

 

[Jucaslucas]

Isn't KI power related to your body's strenght though?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Your train of thought seems quite limited to "Goku do X, and then do Y to counter his attacks and then Z to win", wheras Zeus only needs to "Zeus do X and he wins". I doubt Goku would do all that off the bat. As far as I know he is a fair fighter, he wouldn't Solar Flare as his literal first move.

 

[LTB2000]

It won't affect him cause he's stronger than zeus. You can't say transmutation will affect goku when the same thing happened to vegito, who still has all of his powers in the candy form.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It only let him have flight and superhuman strength, not his usual stuff. It's still a nerfed Goku.

 

[Jucaslucas]

That might be just how the candy transmutation operates, because I don't see how that makes sense even in the context of DBZ. Doesn't he have to train his body to become stronger? Suddenly turning into a weak animal should stop him from using KI properly, since the body would be extremely weaker.

 

[LTB2000]

And it makes him a smaller target, which makes it harder on zeus's end since he's so big.

 

[Jucaslucas]

Zeus can change sizes too. He uses human forms all the time. Hell, he can even turn into rain.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

he doesn't HAVE to transmute him into something smaller. If he sees it's a disadvtange for him he will just undo it or transform him into something bigger.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Heck, Zeus impregnated someone as golden light. Literal light.

 

[Jucaslucas]

Wasn't it golden rain?

 

[LTB2000]

Zeus can change sizes too. He uses human forms all the time. Hell, he can even turn into rain.

Ok, still won't be helpful since goku can sense his energy.

 

[Jucaslucas]

So? It's not to hide, it's to stay on the same size as Goku, since you said that being smaller would give Goku and advantage.

 

[LTB2000]

And it would turn out to be another dbz fight, that is if zeus knows any hand to hand combat. The only difference being that goku has the edge in AP and durability.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Alright. Seriously. Goku is not Vegito, and hax>DC is Dragon Ball exclusive. Almost every other verse does the opposite. Transmutation would still make Goku into a veritable tree. Also, the size thing doesn't work either, not only does Zeus have no problem smiting humans on his throne in Olympus, which is located on a giant mountain, it also makes Zeus' attacks harder to dodge. Plus, Zeus has many ways to make himself intangible, or seem like no threat. Golden light for intangibility, or turn himself into an animal, his favorite seems to be a bull, to seem less threatening. It'll be Ginyu situation again.

 

[LTB2000]

The vegito vs buu fight showed that transmutation doesn't work on a stronger opponent when it comes to dbz. And goku has a variety of abilities to use to help him in the fight. Also, where in his profile is it stated for zeus to be intangible?

 

[Aparajita]

Alright. Seriously. Goku is not Vegito, and hax>DC is Dragon Ball exclusive. Almost every other verse does the opposite.

This.

 

[PostmodernD]

Transmutation>Everything in Goku's arsenal. Seriously, if it wasn't for Goku's physical stat advantage, I'd call it a stomp. I vote Zeus.

 

[Fllflourine]

zeus for above reasons

 

[LTB2000]

Transmutation>Everything in Goku's arsenal. Seriously, if it wasn't for Goku's physical stat advantage, I'd call it a stomp. I vote Zeus.

Transmutation doesn't work on a stronger character in dragon ball. Vegito vs buu is proof of it.

 

[Daarius.ivey]

zues disguises himself and then sneaks a thunder bolt into his face because we all know that goku sucks when it comes to seeing through disguises, like luffy.

 

[Aparajita]

Transmutation doesn't work on a stronger character in dragon ball. Vegito vs buu is proof of it.

Verse Equalization. Also, Zeus' reality warping is hugely superior to anything in DB iirc.

 

[Aparajita]

It comes from Zeus' ability to shapeshift into objects like Rain, Mist, and Light.

 

[Talonmask]

Zeus' hax gives him the edge here.

 

[PostmodernD]

@LTB....you mean that even where he was totally turned into a piece of candy? Yeah, no. It works, he just maintains his consciousness. I could also claim PIS or say the power gap here isn't large enough, but that would be semantics, it completely works.

 

[Cropfist]

@Aparajita who gets your vote?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I am convinced this is a stomp for 2 reasons.

1: Zeus can transmute Goku into something, and the latter has no defence to it at all.

2: Goku's chance of going for the first attack (and it being fatal) is low. Makes the fight seem like a "Zeus transmutes gg" match.

If someone convinces me that this battle is not a stomp, I wont close it.

 

[Aparajita]

Speed Equalized.

And Zeus might not start off with a transmutation.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I am aware of this

Does it really matter if he starts with it or not? Buu Saga is used which is essentially the same level as the Zeus being used so Goku's likelyhood of one shotting is extremely low. I feel that after one hit Zeus would just transmute and be done with it. I see no chance for Goku to win this, still not convinced.

 

[Cropfist]

edited, Goku is now bloodlusted and AMM says it isn't a stomp anymore.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I don't view it as a stomp since both opponents have similar chance of defeating one another in this state. For clarification.

 

[PostmodernD]

For some reason, I had just sort of assumed bloodlust and Goku going for a killshot lol.

My vote remains unchanged. I think Zeus has answers to bloodlusted attacks, like intangability. Transmutation is still a good means for victory in my opinion.