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Goku is outerversal

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P1: All abstract things that exist mind independently are beyond the concepts of space and time
P2: The afterlife is an abstract thing that exists mind independently
C: The afterlife is beyond the concepts of space and time [Universal Instantiation P1, P2]

Justification for P1:
If some arbitrary thing, x, is abstract, then it must lack any spatial and temporal properties (in regards to dimensions) which is just analytically true. If it exists mind independently, it is something that exists externally and can be greater than physical things. Something of this nature cannot possibly fall within a set of dimensions since it lacks them completely and it cannot be below this set of dimensions because it exists mind independently, It follows that something with these predicates is beyond any extensions of dimensionality.

Justification for P2:
For the "abstract" part of the conjunction, the afterlife is stated to lack the concept of time, to be a spiritual place where humans don't keep their physical bodies, and to be disconnected from the living world on the most metaphysical level. The absence of time will entail the same for space; the argument for that is:

P: Space exists
Q: Change occurs
R: Change that occurs is physical
S: Time exists

P1: (P ∧ Q) → R
P2: R → S
C1: (P ∧ Q) → S [Hypothetical Syllogism | P1, P2]
P3: ¬S
C2: ¬(P ∧ Q) [Modus Tollens | C1, P3]
C3: ¬P ∨ ¬Q [DeMorgan's Law | C2]
P4: Q
C4: ¬P [Disjunctive Syllogism | C3, P4]

For the "exists mind independently" part of the conjunction, the afterlife is stated to transcend a set of dimensions, which would entail that it is greater than something that exists mind independently which would be possible IF AND ONLY IF the afterlife itself did the same. Goku was able to shake the macrocosm which includes the afterlife, making him Outerversal

 
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UH no, I'm serious. I got this argument provided by the best dragon ball debaters which is Dripsauce and Axility
Trust me they're very bad at powerscaling. Just because someone is good at manipulation and debating stuff, that doesn't mean they're scaling is very credible.
 
Thought you were talking about us for second. God damn I hate being a dragonball and jjk fan. I can't bloody read istg
I was talking about drip sauce and axility, two famous youtubers among dragonball community who have wanked the verse to horrendous level.
 
Trust me they're very bad at powerscaling. Just because someone is good at manipulation and debating stuff, that doesn't mean they're scaling is very credible.
YOu can just watch dripsauce video. He has an argument to every dragon ball outerversal debunk against him heree

 
Only Outer? Goku is beyond any tiering, he should be punished for the severe Goku downplay.
 
I was talking about drip sauce and axility, two famous youtubers among dragonball community who have wanked the verse to horrendous level.
Ik, I was saying i misread it originally lol


also we should watch what we say cause from what i hear they might curse our entire bloodlines or smthn
 
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